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Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Jun 7, 2013 - 11:48pm PT
Oh come on Norton-that is what he implied

oh come on Rick, even a high school graduate knows the difference between the two, you don't?

but regardless, the President was correct, the sea level has fallen


and that's all that matters right?

the fact that you tried and lied to make the President out to be a liar, and then it turns out that he told the truth all along, and it was you who lied about the "promise"

poetic justice

The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
Jun 7, 2013 - 11:51pm PT
haha, Chaff can't admit the fact that he was WRONG about the actual data

Plenty of water. Tons. Not to worry around my neck of the woods.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Jun 7, 2013 - 11:51pm PT
Christ almighty i am well aware that Chaco is in New Mexico. And was Christ around to see Folsom or Clovis, i don't think so. What do you know of the Chumash? How old, what locations, the extent of their range?

Pretty clear cut graphs Chief. How can these guys fail to see it? Just deadenders i'm afraid.
Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Jun 7, 2013 - 11:56pm PT
Did the Chumash civilization end due to a mega drought?

I don't think there is a single person that claims any model can predict the future with absolute accuracy... but there is at least one person on here who clearly doesn't know how to read graphs.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Jun 8, 2013 - 12:01am PT
Well Christ if they can't predict the future with any accuracy why are they worshipped as evidence?
Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Jun 8, 2013 - 12:11am PT
hmmm, did I say "any accuracy" or "absolute accuracy?"

No sane person "worships" computer models nor do they consider them "evidence."

No wonder you fellas are so confused about everything.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jun 8, 2013 - 12:11am PT
Well Christ if they can't predict the future with any accuracy why are they worshipped as evidence?


I'm telling you, these guys think this is clever!
Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Jun 8, 2013 - 12:14am PT
mind numbingly clever, really.
slayton

Trad climber
Here and There
Jun 8, 2013 - 04:21am PT
Well Christ if they can't predict the future with any accuracy why are they worshipped as evidence?

Please look up the definition of science and then get back to me.

Predicting the future? Worshipping?

Admit it. You know nothing of the way that science as a method actually works.
Skeptimistic

Mountain climber
La Mancha
Jun 8, 2013 - 08:02am PT
Well Christ if they can't predict the future with any accuracy why are they worshipped as evidence?

The better question is why do we spend time arguing the steaming piles of crap you post on here?
The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
Jun 8, 2013 - 08:58am PT
Perfect example of the adaption process that needs to be implemented. This type of thinking will make the difference. OH, and it comes from ENGINEERS. Not Science.

In tornado alley, building practices boost damage
In a residential neighborhood near the center of a monster tornado that struck Moore, Oklahoma last month, two partially damaged houses stand like an island among others flattened by the storm.

The walls and roofs of the buildings in a new housing development called Featherstone Addition are still upright while there is nothing left but a concrete foundation where other homes once stood nearby.

The two homes were not completely spared but are salvageable, according to David Prevatt, a civil engineer who saw them when he surveyed the damage after Moore took a direct hit from an EF5 tornado, the strongest rating.

He is convinced that the two houses survived because they were built stronger than most in Oklahoma and the rest of "tornado alley" - the region stretching from Texas to Iowa that accounts for roughly a fourth of all U.S. tornadoes.

"This notion that we cannot engineer buildings economically to withstand tornado loads is a fallacy," said Prevatt, who has studied damage from hurricanes and the devastating tornadoes in 2011 in Joplin, Missouri and Tuscaloosa, Alabama.

Instead of spending billions/trillions of tax payers money in vile worthless attempts to predict the future, spend that money implementing adaption processes such as the one above. Cease building shet strctures in known tornado/hurricane zones. Cease allowing the further construction of homes/structures along the low lying shoreline. Build more reservoirs in the West to capture all the rain water. Construct Desalination Stations. Build massive Solar Farms in the Desert (not pass legislation to ban them in "Protected Areas" http://gizmodo.com/5431887/mojave-desert-solar-farm-blocked-by-senator-dianne-feinstein ).

Going on 30 years of Climate Research and nothing but fortune telling computer models that come no where near reality and continuous fatalistic words. More money. Give us more money to see what "may", "if" "can" happen in a 100 years. No solutions. Not even realistic treatments. Just like Cancer Research. Leave it to science.

Climate Science is the new Complex Big Corporation. Just another hand in the cookie jar of tax payers money that is wasted. Trash. The new modern religion. Nothing more.





pee reviewed scientific studies on climate change

Precisely. Modern Science has incorporated a checks and balances process that is worthless. Totally bias and self-serving. It reviews iternally maintaining the notion that it can only do so due to it's unmatched elite intellectual ability. 97% consensus. Infallible. Manifesting itself and telling the world it knows all. Perfect. Unless you are one of the "Elitist" DR's, you are worthless in thinking and contributing. You know nothing and are an idiot. You must follow the "Dr's guidance. The "DR" knows.

Truly amazing how history does repeat itself. The Roman Catholic Church had the exact same process and philosophy for well over a 1000 years. Still does as a matter of fact.

DR = PRIEST
Absolutely NO difference.
Malemute

Ice climber
the ghost
Jun 8, 2013 - 09:31am PT
The better question is why do we spend time arguing the steaming piles of crap you post on here?
Cause you're too lazy to add The Chump to Greasemonkey?
Or is it that you can't pull yourself away from the train wreck?
The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
Jun 8, 2013 - 09:35am PT
MUTFACE.

You seriously need to change that profile pic to this.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jun 8, 2013 - 11:31am PT
Dr Christ - I don't know how he slipped my mind but he does lurk and strike like a ninja when you least expect it. Werner Braun is by far the most slippery of the deniers, in fact due to his crafty ability to "play both sides of the fence" at least in appearance, he cannot readily be pegged as a denier - more an obstructionist.

His role it would seem is to befuddle. We, as members of the Reality Based Community, are left in his wake to examine and study the inanities he has dumped and left, while he swirls away in his superman outfit to act out history on some other thread, typically the Religion and other Distractions thread.

In the end, he may be the most influencial of the bunch.

You can seldom figure his drift here, likely because of his fear of science, but his recent contribution to the Republicans and other Distractions thread reveals his thinking .... and worth:

The same ones the US govt created and is supporting.

The same ones that are on US terror watch list that the US govt is using for their own nefarious activities.

The same terrorists the US is using for false flag events.

Americans like Ken M are some of the stupidest idiots on the planet ......

You can see how The Chief was (as always) right when he said that he and Braun think alike.
Malemute

Ice climber
the ghost
Jun 8, 2013 - 11:39am PT
In the end, he may be the most influencial of the bunch.
because he's as infectious as influencia? ;-)
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Jun 8, 2013 - 11:40am PT
Precisely. Modern Science has incorporated a checks and balances process that is worthless. Totally bias and self-serving. It reviews iternally maintaining the notion that it can only do so due to it's unmatched elite intellectual ability. 97% consensus. Infallible. Manifesting itself and telling the world it knows all. Perfect. Unless you are one of the "Elitist" DR's, you are worthless in thinking and contributing. You know nothing and are an idiot. You must follow the "Dr's guidance. The "DR" knows.

Truly amazing how history does repeat itself. The Roman Catholic Church had the exact same process and philosophy for well over a 1000 years. Still does as a matter of fact.
Absolutely NO difference.

This is where you go very wrong Chief. You seem to confuse the observation that some people treat it the same and are "true believers" with the actual fact that science was designed as well as possible as a system to avoid this very pitfall. It has been and continues to be the best system for combating "belief" as the fundamental unit of acceptable information. It's not perfect but it is much better than you seem to think.

Our current civilization would be back around the level of the 1700's without this system. In every aspect of your life you are nearly completely surrounded by the results of the scientific method. From the paint's and dyes in everything you own, to the car you drive and all it's components to the water you drink and the food you eat. The implements of Modern society are built on one thing. Good science. It is remarkable that those with no knowledge of it have such easy access to it they take it for granted when they go to walmart or post on supertopo. The ammount of physics applied in posting on this thread would take multiple PhDs just to understand well.

The things discovered and then applied are complex and difficult to obtain. The knowledge accumulated is immense. It cannot be done the way you suggest science works.

DR = PRIEST

You do not understand science. You simply beieve. You are the one guilty of what you accuse "science" of. Such a common pattern in people who slander.
WBraun

climber
Jun 8, 2013 - 11:49am PT
Our current civilization would be back around the level of the 1700's


Our current civilization is STILL in the cave man mode.

Stupid modern scientists have turned civilization backwards in the last few hundred years.

Do to being under the strict clutches of the illusionary energy.

Stupid simpletons only believe technology is what drives civilizations.

This one came from above the fence ........
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Jun 8, 2013 - 11:51am PT
In a way you are right Werner. People don't seem to have changed just the tools they have at hand.

It gives us both more power to destroy and more power to fix or heal. But the will and wisdom to make the right choices.. not so much.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jun 8, 2013 - 11:57am PT
We, being limp wristed empathetic liberal types, must try to see the world from Werner perspective... under a rock up some little wash surrounded by pines, fortunately with power.

From there, so long as he has power from his rather long extension cord plugged into someone elses outlet, the 1700's is just fine.
WBraun

climber
Jun 8, 2013 - 12:02pm PT
must try to see the world from Werner perspective

Wrong and completely wrong.

You need to see it from truth itself.

Not from what the Chief says, not from what the scientist says, and not from what I say ......
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