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Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Aug 5, 2013 - 06:41pm PT
I've personally processed ash samples collected in Missouri that were erupted from the Yellowstone hot spot over 2 million years ago. I'm doing everything I can to prevent another massive eruption.

When I drive by LA I can see its effects

uh, no you can't. I believe what you are seeing is mostly NO2 and particulate matter.
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Aug 5, 2013 - 07:50pm PT
I've personally processed ash samples collected in Missouri that were erupted from the Yellowstone hot spot over 2 million years ago. I'm doing everything I can to prevent another massive eruption.

Interesting side note, even the Yellowstone caldera supereruption at 2my probably released less CO2 than a single year of human activities (Gerlach 2011 in EOS). Our 35 gigatons each year is massive, it's hard to fathom the folks who blandly declare humans are tiny and couldn't be changing the planet.
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Aug 5, 2013 - 08:00pm PT
Here you go Bruce, go get'em!

Look at all the probabilitys and assumptions in that one.

Jus Play'in
BB
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Aug 5, 2013 - 09:07pm PT
Ok Ed follow the link below to this guy Johnsons web site and click on his challenge to blackbody radiation. Have a wonderful day.

http://claesjohnson.blogspot.com/2011/05/presentations-at-stockholm-initiative.html
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Aug 5, 2013 - 09:50pm PT
I thought you would find that entertaining Ed. There is just about everything one could imagine to be found on the internet. Have a wonderful chew on the bone I through out for you.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Aug 5, 2013 - 10:25pm PT
Blublockr, Bruce is dishing out his usual psycho babble stream of bald faced lies. The EPA is no authority with what his happening up here. Take the link below to the University of Alaska Fairbanks site, then scroll down and click on New Paper-The First Decade Of The New Century: A Cooling Trend For Most Of Alaska.

http://akclimate.org/
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Aug 5, 2013 - 11:28pm PT
Most of them are Ed, in a different sort of way. People who have pets and allow them a measure of freedom sense this. Anyway, I've had a lengthy excerpt of Mr. Johnson's, shall we say work, since my education session over black radiation with you some months back. I spared the embarrassment till now, but since you asked...

Has anyone been checking the status of solar cycle 24. From what I've read the magnetic poles are about to flip, signaling the start of the decent to minimum. Every indication seems to point to the weakest cycle in a perhaps a century or more. This combined with the negative phase of the PDO and NAO should be quite a test of the counter hypothesis that CO2 is but a minor player in climate change.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 6, 2013 - 01:40am PT
Have a wonderful chew on the bone I through [sic] out for you.


After Ed demolishes the paper that Rick threw out, the irony of what Rick posts in response is, well, laughable. And actually a bit sad.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 6, 2013 - 01:45am PT
The Chief, prey tell, how do you know what I care about?


You're a fool, and your posts only continue to prove that.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 6, 2013 - 01:51am PT
... Cancer. Your science does nothing to cease it. Nothing.


Let me show you what blithering nonsense your whole premise is.



Science invented the radiation treatment that cured my cancer, you numb-nut.


Now go warm up some milk and go to bed like a good little boy.



[Pity, it's in a man's body, but it has the wit of a chestnut.]
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Aug 6, 2013 - 03:11am PT
Ah step 4 - my cause is holier than thou.

Something new under the sun. Well done old son

DMT
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Aug 6, 2013 - 08:09am PT
Have a wonderful chew on the bone I through out for you.

Rick should post this contemptuous motto on the lawn as he builds each new home.
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Aug 6, 2013 - 08:45am PT
Meanwhile ... the American Geophysical Union (about 61,000 members) has just revised its statement on climate change. Here's the title and first paragraph:

Human-induced climate change requires urgent action

Human activities are changing Earth’s climate. At the global level,atmospheric concentrations of carbon dioxide and other heat-trapping greenhouse gases have increased sharply since the Industrial Revolution. Fossil fuel burning dominates this increase. Human-caused increases in greenhouse gases are responsible for most of the observed global average surface warming of roughly 0.8°C (1.5°F) over the past 140 years. Because natural processes cannot quickly remove some of these gases (notably carbon dioxide) from the atmosphere, our past, present, and future emissions will influence the climate system for millennia.


Press release is here:
http://www.agu.org/news/press/pr_archives/2013/2013-38.shtml
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Aug 6, 2013 - 10:31am PT
What the hell is it with some people that they think they can just open their mouths and let the most outrageous, baseless and offensive claims fly out without any consequences?


It is called education,Bruce,or in this case the lack of one.There certainly is a consensus ,[on this thread ]of who has one and who has not.

I know i am going to die,but it would be something to be able to come back and see the grandkids of the 3% ,stabbing their grandfathers graves.

Go ahead kids ,call me names.
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Aug 6, 2013 - 10:40am PT
Must. Bite. Tongue.

I'm really trying to be a nicer person, but some people make it quite difficult. Not you, Wilbeer.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Aug 6, 2013 - 11:26am PT
You know, Ed if you could get past the shet covering the outside of the Johnson bone there was a marrow of mathematics. As you so amply point out, I am incapable of comprehending that language. I would have hoped that your scientific curiosity would have prompted you to at least sample it and to tell us if it was as rotten as the exterior.

On to the solutions for this imaginary and greatly hyped problem. Gill pointed out that if all anthropogenic emissions immediately ceased the impact would be virtually non existent. Bruce you expressed interest in policy before-lets here your solutions. And Ed why and how would your carbon tax benefit the population?
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Aug 6, 2013 - 11:36am PT
Don't you ever have moments when you think there might be new frontiers out there, new knowledge to be learned, more refined and detailed explanations of the natural physical world yet to be discovered? Boxing yourself in within this anthropogenic theory's confines could be a foolish mistake.

Bruce- were waiting. You said previously that you liked the policy side.
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Aug 6, 2013 - 11:41am PT
Don't you ever have moments when you think there might be new frontiers out there, new knowledge to be learned, more refined and detailed explanations of the natural physical world yet to be discovered?

Why the f*#k do you think people become scientists? And who do you think is exploring those frontiers?
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Aug 6, 2013 - 11:45am PT
Gill pointed out that if all anthropogenic emissions immediately ceased the impact would be virtually non existent

Sounds like Rick is finally accepting the CO2 connection.

Since immediate cease of emissions is impossible, reduction policies are important.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Aug 6, 2013 - 11:55am PT
Sociology is not a science?
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