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The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
Jun 7, 2013 - 01:59am PT
you also realize that nothing stand in the way of curing cancer more than the pharma industry


how are you making sense of what your suggesting?


I suggest nothing. The Pharma Industry is operated and run by SCIENTIST! Fact. Simple.
Malemute

Ice climber
the ghost
Jun 7, 2013 - 02:15am PT


interview with a scientist
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Jun 7, 2013 - 02:34am PT
Bharata, you are the man on the ground in India i assume? If so, can you tell the good folks here of the state of glaciation in the Himalaya's? From all the hype we've heard over here the glaciers surely should have melted several times over and snow a thing of the past like wintertimes in Europe were already forecast by the warmists as a thing of the past.
The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
Jun 7, 2013 - 08:56am PT
ED, Chiloe, DRF etal. You all are no different than some car salesmen that is desperate to make his monthly quota. Gotta keep the pitch going.

Science has far bigger fish to fry then to dwell into another speculative endeavor as they have here. Cure cancer for the sake of mankind. It is killing humans by the 1000's daily globally. They are dying NOW! Like the mechanic that tells you the trunk locking mechanism is loose and may come open while driving. All along the head gasket is blown, leaking, the transmission is slipping and the clutch is definitely about to go. Fix the obvious SCIENCE. 80+ years of supposed research and TRILLIONS of dollars spent in cancer. Nothing. You can clone a rabbit. You can go to the moon. Now you say you can look into the future. All the while you are walking past cancer infested dying humans laying in the floor. Hell of a track record for modern SCIENCE. And you want us to fall for this saving grace of a scam. Riiiiiiiight.

At least "Magical Sky Wizards" give one a glimmer of hope. A solution to the pain. They are far more human and comforting than shetwads like Dirtclaud etc who continuously post visual displays of his originators copulating and definitely not enjoying it.Yup. Fine way to influence the masses of your plight. If they do not agree, demean and disgrace the shet outta of em. Niiiice. Oh how human you all are.
Skeptimistic

Mountain climber
La Mancha
Jun 7, 2013 - 09:13am PT
"Cancer" is a multivariate process that varies by type and even by individuals. There will never be a single "cure" for cancer.

On the other hand, preventing or at least somewhat mitigating the wholesale destruction of a livable environment thereby allowing humans to remain alive can likely be achieved by incremental changes in emissions.
The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
Jun 7, 2013 - 09:18am PT
"Cancer" is a multivariate process that varies by type and even by individuals. There will never be a single "cure" for cancer.

Then focus on "curing" just one "type". Just one. Science has yet to do that. Cease the excuses.

On the other hand, preventing or at least somewhat mitigating the wholesale destruction of a livable environment thereby allowing humans to remain alive can likely be achieved by incremental changes in emissions.

But now you state that science has the know how and that it can control a far bigger and more complex set of rules in the planets climate system. Perfect.

Lets clean up the bed that the humans lay on as they are dying. Nice.


BTW: Cancer is a by product of human science manipulating the rules of nature. In one form or another. The Tobacco and Food Industry ring a bell? These "Natural" products manipulated by scientist, NOT engineers mind you, over the decades to make them appealing and habit forming. Now Autism is ravaging our children. Another by product of science manipulating the natural components of the planet to make things easier/more appealing for humans. Nice.

Not one of you can see past your noses. Not one.
Skeptimistic

Mountain climber
La Mancha
Jun 7, 2013 - 09:52am PT
Cancer is a by product of human science manipulating the rules of nature.

Wow. Fail. "Cancer" is a natural process of genetic variability, "evolution" if you like. (but probably you don't understand that or subscribe to the theory)

There are many cures for cancer out there right now being prescribed on a daily basis. None work 100% of the time due to the genetic idiosyncracies of the afflicted organism and other factors.

I worked for a physician scientist- Dr Dennis Carson - who developed 2CDA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cladribine); for treatment of Hairy Cell Leukemia and which has been used successfully in other forms of cancer and non-cancerous diseases. The compound has "cured" thousands of people.

Please don't argue something you have almost total ignorance of.
dirtbag

climber
Jun 7, 2013 - 10:01am PT

Please don't argue something you have almost total ignorance of.

Those are the only topics he ever argues about.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jun 7, 2013 - 10:05am PT
Bharata, you are the man on the ground in India i assume? If so, can you tell the good folks here of the state of glaciation in the Himalaya's? From all the hype we've heard over here the glaciers surely should have melted several times over and snow a thing of the past like wintertimes in Europe were already forecast by the warmists as a thing of the past.

Rick, after plowing through that mountain of scientific papers and what not you seem to have determined that it can all best be described as "hype" that says we are already experiencing ecological armagedon. It seems almost as though everything that enters your head gets multipied by a factor of 10. Have you ever considered being checked for parasites? Do you have a cat by any chance?

How Your Cat Is Making You Crazy
Jaroslav Flegr is no kook. And yet, for years, he suspected his mind had been taken over by parasites that had invaded his brain. So the prolific biologist took his science-fiction hunch into the lab. What he’s now discovering will startle you. Could tiny organisms carried by house cats be creeping into our brains, causing everything from car wrecks to schizophrenia?

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2012/03/how-your-cat-is-making-you-crazy/308873/


You see what we are observing now is only a hint of what we can expect in the future. You and I may not see the extent of it, but your kids will. The wasting of ice in the mountain ranges is significant already but your gross distortion of this fact serves nothing other than to highlight your irrational mental processes.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jun 7, 2013 - 10:45am PT
for years, he suspected his mind had been taken over by parasites that had invaded his brain. So the prolific biologist took his science-fiction hunch into the lab. What he’s now discovering will startle you. Could tiny organisms carried by house cats be creeping into our brains, causing everything from car wrecks to schizophrenia?


It just occurred to me Rick that this statement provides the answer to that age old never-to-be-asked-in-polite-company question:

How can you differentiate between intuition and prejudice?


Care to take a stab at it?
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Jun 7, 2013 - 10:48am PT

I suggest nothing. The Pharma Industry is operated and run by SCIENTIST! Fact. Simple.

HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!! Stop it, Rick, you're killing me!

How's the fishing this year? It sure is dry in the Sierra.
The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
Jun 7, 2013 - 10:52am PT
How's the fishing this year? It sure is dry in the Sierra.

Fishing is great! DRY? You need to get out more.

Ten days ago,










There are many cures for cancer out there right now being prescribed on a daily basis.





They ARE NOT cures. They are treatments that merely put the process in remission. Delay death due to the cancer. NOT CURES!


Cancer is only 10% max genetic. The other 90% from man's manipulation of the natural rules.

Determining what causes cancer is complex. Many things are known to increase the risk of cancer, including tobacco use, certain infections, radiation, lack of physical activity, obesity, and environmental pollutants. These can directly damage genes or combine with existing genetic faults within cells to cause the disease. Approximately five to ten percent of cancers are entirely hereditary.


Cancer can be detected in a number of ways, including the presence of certain signs and symptoms, screening tests, or medical imaging. Once a possible cancer is detected it is diagnosed by microscopic examination of a tissue sample. Cancer is usually treated with chemotherapy, radiation therapy and surgery. The chances of surviving the disease vary greatly by the type and location of the cancer and the extent of disease at the start of treatment. While cancer can affect people of all ages, and a few types of cancer are more common in children, the risk of developing cancer generally increases with age.

In 2007, cancer caused about 13% of all human deaths worldwide (7.9 million). Rates are rising as more people live to an old age and as mass lifestyle changes occur in the developing world.



Causes

Cancers are primarily an environmental disease with 90–95% of cases attributed to environmental factors and 5–10% due to genetics. Environmental, as used by cancer researchers, means any cause that is not inherited genetically, not merely pollution. Common environmental factors that contribute to cancer death include tobacco (25–30%), diet and obesity (30–35%), infections (15–20%), radiation (both ionizing and non-ionizing, up to 10%), stress, lack of physical activity, and environmental pollutants.

It is nearly impossible to prove what caused a cancer in any individual, because most cancers have multiple possible causes. For example, if a person who uses tobacco heavily develops lung cancer, then it was probably caused by the tobacco use, but since everyone has a small chance of developing lung cancer as a result of air pollution or radiation, then there is a small chance that the cancer developed because of air pollution or radiation.

Chemicals

Further information: Alcohol and cancer and Smoking and cancer


The incidence of lung cancer is highly correlated with smoking.
Cancer pathogenesis is traceable back to DNA mutations that impact cell growth and metastasis. Substances that cause DNA mutations are known as mutagens, and mutagens that cause cancers are known as carcinogens. Particular substances have been linked to specific types of cancer. Tobacco smoking is associated with many forms of cancer,[8] and causes 90% of lung cancer.
Many mutagens are also carcinogens, but some carcinogens are not mutagens. Alcohol is an example of a chemical carcinogen that is not a mutagen.[10] In Western Europe 10% of cancers in males and 3% of cancers in females are attributed to alcohol.
Decades of research has demonstrated the link between tobacco use and cancer in the lung, larynx, head, neck, stomach, bladder, kidney, esophagus and pancreas.[12] Tobacco smoke contains over fifty known carcinogens, including nitrosamines and polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons.[13] Tobacco is responsible for about one in three of all cancer deaths in the developed world,[8] and about one in five worldwide.[13] Lung cancer death rates in the United States have mirrored smoking patterns, with increases in smoking followed by dramatic increases in lung cancer death rates and, more recently, decreases in smoking rates since the 1950s followed by decreases in lung cancer death rates in men since 1990.[14][15] However, the numbers of smokers worldwide is still rising, leading to what some organizations have described as the tobacco epidemic.

Cancer related to one's occupation is believed to represent between 2–20% of all cases.[17] Every year, at least 200,000 people die worldwide from cancer related to their workplace. Most cancer deaths caused by occupational risk factors occur in the developed world.[18] It is estimated that approximately 20,000 cancer deaths and 40,000 new cases of cancer each year in the U.S. are attributable to occupation.[19] Millions of workers run the risk of developing cancers such as lung cancer and mesothelioma from inhaling asbestos fibers and tobacco smoke, or leukemia from exposure to benzene at their workplaces.[18]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cancer

NO cures. Just treatments.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jun 7, 2013 - 11:57am PT
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Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jun 7, 2013 - 11:58am PT
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Jesus Chuff I hate it when you screw up the page like that.

But anyway, your understanding ( and sense of morality) of cancer and cancer treatment is moronic.

However, getting back to the topic at hand, what "treatment" would you prescribe for our little issue of global warming? We may not "cure" it but even you must admit that a treatment could have some benefit.

Or do you suggest to your kids that the only treatment is to adapt or die?
The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
Jun 7, 2013 - 12:00pm PT
Like Werner says, you all are just a bunch of janitors trying desperately to clean up the mess that science has created. Clean up. CYA for short.




Or do you suggest to your kids that the only treatment is to adapt or die?

That indeed is the Natural Process. Adapt to the dynamic environment. Not continue to manipulate it and keep fking it up.

So far not one of you GGC scientist elites has confronted the most important aspect of this entire issue. Human proliferation that is outta control. Humans are running outta room. The so called "treatments" that you all suggest over and over do not apply to 99% of the humans. Just some elitists that live out in the forest somewhere or some eco freak left wing socialist communities chanting anti Big Corporation mantras.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jun 7, 2013 - 12:13pm PT
Since when does anyone care what Werner says and what exactly do you have against Janitors?

Isn't that exactly What Werner is? Isn't his entire career devoted to removing human wreckage and remains from Yosemite valley?
The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
Jun 7, 2013 - 12:18pm PT
I got nothing against janitors. Never did I imply anything of the sorts.

I care what Werner says. I respect him and his opinion/s. We think alike in many ways. I have also operated with him and know his abilities to kick ass and take no prisoners and succeed when assigned to a task that not many would ever attempt to do.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Jun 7, 2013 - 12:21pm PT
Chief

Senior TT today

any word?
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Jun 7, 2013 - 12:26pm PT
Fishing is great! DRY? You need to get out more.

It is dry, have you taken a look at the Great Western Divide? I know you're relatively new to the Sierra, so yeah, your picture of South Lake indicates a dry year. That doesn't look like spring in the Sierra to me. I've seen more snow in July.

That's a nice photo, though.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jun 7, 2013 - 12:26pm PT
Like Werner says, you all are just a bunch of janitors....


Sounds a little disparaging to me Huff an Chuff.

As for Werner we fully know you think alike ( Just google Authoritarian personality disorder) and when you stick to your field of expertise ( Janitorial duties) we appreciate your wisdom and observations. But don't think for a second that you can carry that forward into climate science or for that matter, morality.

Fields where you are clearly out of your depth
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