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Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
May 27, 2013 - 01:05pm PT
or in the same vein..

how come science can land a man on the moon but can't cure the common cold?

therefore science ........you fill in the mocking conclusion.....
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
May 27, 2013 - 01:12pm PT
For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong.
H. L. Mencken
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
May 27, 2013 - 01:31pm PT
Sorry Ed. All that stuff just makes my head spin. Even the abstracts.

Perhaps Rick Superior, Rick Inferior or Dr Werner Von Braun could interpret all that for me?
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
May 27, 2013 - 02:19pm PT
I answered your question just after you posted it Ron. You are welcome.
Malemute

Ice climber
the ghost
May 27, 2013 - 02:34pm PT
For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong.
H. L. Mencken

And supported by morons.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
May 27, 2013 - 03:50pm PT
Yeah Ed, it is an amazing time as they attempt to close the energy imbalance problem that has kept the modeling results diverging more, not less than from observations.Thanks for bringing the papers to light.

Is anyone else here reading the solar physics papers that come to the conclusion that the late 20th century was a "Grand Maxima" of activity. Since all the CMip's seem to take the value of TSI based on the late 20th century as a mean it is no wonder that they were able to smooth into insignificance periods like the medieval and roman warm periods.

On another note what are the emerging explanations for the "late and fridgid spring" felt almost universally in the high mid to upper north latitudes?
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
May 27, 2013 - 03:57pm PT
No Ed, this is an event. Coldest in north latitudes in over fifty years. Records were broken all over the northern globe.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
May 27, 2013 - 04:02pm PT
Records were broken all over the northern globe.

boy, they sure were

why just last summer both the US and Europe broke all kinds of recorded heat records

but I think Ed's point is that "weather" and climate are two very different things

weather is continually variable with many divergent localized differences, like Rick's example of some reported coldness

whereas climate is a much broader meaning without the degree of localization as weather
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
May 27, 2013 - 04:05pm PT
That's the thing about records..there was always one before the current one. For example...

Minneapolis tanked to 21 degrees Saturday morning, its first record low since August, 2004. (There had been 42 record highs in that span, according to Minneapolisí Paul Douglas).

So, what the ignorant fuktards do is latch onto ONE measurement that supports their misinformed view, and disregard the 42 record highs that occurred between the two record lows. It makes prefect sense, unless of course you think about it.
McHale's Navy

Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
May 27, 2013 - 04:11pm PT


Look into Polar Vortex Collapse. It's been happening for a number of years now.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
May 27, 2013 - 04:15pm PT
There is an event making the rock wet here in squamish right now..... in case you're wondering.

Good question raised by Rick Inferior. I keep hearing something about high amplitude jet stream waves getting "stuck" stationary. What are the boys saying up at the Wassilla Bar and Grill? Russians?

http://e360.yale.edu/feature/linking_weird_weather_to_rapid_warming_of_the_arctic/2501/
Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
May 27, 2013 - 04:26pm PT
Sumatra, Indonesia: the rainforest's last stand: http://www.guardian.co.uk/global-development/video/2013/may/24/sumatra-indonesia-rainforest-video
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
May 27, 2013 - 04:27pm PT
OMG BK, the same event is happening down here CA. This is far bigger than we could have imagined!
McHale's Navy

Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
May 27, 2013 - 04:34pm PT
Climate Science Censorship by the Bush Administration;

http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/280970-1

Turns out this video does not cover the censorship that much.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
May 27, 2013 - 04:37pm PT
ok, now you're talking...

you've made a statistical statement regarding the likelihood that this year is "normal" and your contention, which is probably correct, is that it is not normal...

that is climate...

...now please tell me how many hot "events" have occurred, vs. cold events in the last decade?

Weather, like history, repeats itself. In fact, I think weather is more unpredictable than human events in history.

But there do seem to be measurable, and recorded, timelines of weather events.

Everybody take a bong-hit and relax. It's not anthropomorphic. Just nature.
Ghost

climber
A long way from where I started
May 27, 2013 - 04:47pm PT
Everybody take a bong-hit and relax. It's not anthropomorphic. Just nature.

Well, that settles it, doesn't it? I guess all you science guys should get real jobs now.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
May 27, 2013 - 04:49pm PT
It's not anthropomorphic.

Some use big words to help clarify their statements. Others use big words to highlight their ignorance.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
May 27, 2013 - 04:50pm PT
Things are looking up. This thread was nearly extinct just a couple of months ago. Now we have Dr Bluering joining us. Welcome Dr Bluering! You'll have to take a stool over by Dr Werner Von Braun for now but you may be elevated in status at a later date. We were just listening to Dr Rick Inferior expound on his theories of intuitive sense in public policy. If you could refrain from interrupting we may yet learn something.

Please continue Rick.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
May 27, 2013 - 05:19pm PT
Yeah, you geniuses keep postulating your bullsh#t. Do whatever makes you feel grand.

Most people use common sense, and we realize the obvious. But then, I'm stupid, and you Global Warming activists are the smart ones.

So glad you're here to help us from ourselves.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
May 27, 2013 - 05:20pm PT
You are welcome.
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