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Splater
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Grey Matter
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Jun 13, 2013 - 04:48pm PT
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No matter how many times a troll is refuted, it pops back up again.
" a large proportion of them are failing in three years instead of the 25 years they were supposed to last.
No Ed, i believe i quoted 3% of the atmospheric content of CO2 is anthropogenic. The big increase, that which brought us to 400 ppm, has been liberated from Earths natural sinks primarily because of solar and exta solar variations,orbital and axial cycles, and turnover by oceanic cycles."
Absolute nonsense, no matter how many times the faux news trolls you so. Repeating this statement is like Bush telling us to attack Iraq because they caused 9-11.
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Dr. Christ
Mountain climber
State of Mine
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Jun 13, 2013 - 04:57pm PT
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Chaff, you have proven beyond any doubt that you, and your Common Man Contingent, are too fuking stupid to even know what you want... beyond immediate self-gratification.
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Dr. Christ
Mountain climber
State of Mine
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Jun 13, 2013 - 05:05pm PT
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nah, Chuff isn't malicious, just stupid and self-absorbed.
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Dr. Christ
Mountain climber
State of Mine
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Jun 13, 2013 - 05:16pm PT
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I don't answer to as#@&%es.
At least I EARNED my title. You ever been a REAL Chief? Doubtful.
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Dr. Christ
Mountain climber
State of Mine
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Jun 13, 2013 - 05:23pm PT
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Chaff, one question... if you have it all figured out, why are you such a miserable, angry fukhole? I mean you have everything you want. You know more about everything than anyone else. And yet, you are a huge kunt. Why? Just curious.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Jun 13, 2013 - 05:24pm PT
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Splater i found part of your list of measures to be reasonable and beneficial, the rest is pie in the sky eco b.s. Now, you take exception to the statement that the anthropogenic proportion of increased atmospheric CO2 is only 3% and the remaining 97% is preceeded by increase in earth and sea surface temperatures rather than the opposite. Fine, disprove it. If you can i will retract and apologize, if you can't then please move onto something else.
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Dr. Christ
Mountain climber
State of Mine
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Jun 13, 2013 - 06:18pm PT
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So I take it you did not in fact earn the title of Chief.
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Dr. Christ
Mountain climber
State of Mine
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Jun 13, 2013 - 06:45pm PT
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Absolutely right Chief!
I don't know what that means... and unlike your dumb ass does with science, I won't pretend I do.
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Dr. Christ
Mountain climber
State of Mine
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Jun 13, 2013 - 06:51pm PT
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Funny Ron, that is EXACTLY what the business oriented Republican and (likely) climate change denier Norman H. Bangerter did in Utah. Great (moranic) minds think alike?
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Jun 13, 2013 - 08:46pm PT
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Ron and Chief, congratulations the boys seem to have totally thrown out the grist.org playbook and now resort to little but name calling, as you have noticed. Below is some non CAGW science that has probably been posted and supposedly refuted before, but is none the less fascinating since at least a lot of astrophysicists are looking for real explanations.
http://www.fel.duke.edu/~scafetta/pdf/scafetta-JSTP2.pdf
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Jun 13, 2013 - 09:45pm PT
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Why, chiloe's ice cores of course Ed. You know that CO2 increases correlate with surface temperature rises maybe on a millenial scale but they have had that little problem of the CO2 lagging temp rises by an average of 800 years which by some accounts has been wittled down to 200 years. Now, at present day, the CO2 levels continue to rise but the temps have plateaued globally, with many regions cooling, hence the desperate search for the missing heat.By 300 k Earth temperature are you referring to the planet wide average including the core? I know you are not a climatologist but as physcisist you are surely up on the science and can seperate fact from fiction.
Is this a good start Bruce-getting him to clarify the question? Actually the Earth's average global surface temperature is 287 kelvin, which translates to 14c or 57.2f. Why in the hell would he offer the supposition that 3% anthropogenic contribution of a total atmospheric CO2 composition increase of 115 ppm would result in a 9c temperature increase. Is it even worth answering, i mean come on, why should i even dignify something of such stupidity.
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Jun 13, 2013 - 10:02pm PT
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The CO2 lag is getting much smaller as we learn more about how air gets trapped in ice as found by this paper:
http://www.sciencemag.org/content/339/6123/1060.abstract
We find no significant asynchrony between them, indicating that Antarctic temperature did not begin to rise hundreds of years before the concentration of atmospheric CO2, as has been suggested by earlier studies
More explanation here: http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=ice-core-data-help-solve
The wide margin of error in the EPICA core data is due to the way air gets trapped in layers of ice. Snowpack becomes progressively denser from the surface down to around 100 meters, where it forms solid ice. Scientists use air trapped in the ice to determine the CO2 levels of past climates, whereas they use the ice itself to determine temperature. But because air diffuses rapidly through the ice pack, those air bubbles are younger than the ice surrounding them. This means that in places with little snowfall—like the Dome C ice core—the age difference between gas and ice can be thousands of years.
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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Jun 13, 2013 - 10:25pm PT
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A few more points, in addition to monolith's note about temperature and CO2 derived from ice cores:
 CO2 is well mixed in the atmosphere, so Antarctic ice core CO2 estimates should reasonably represent global levels. But temperature is not well mixed in the atmosphere, so Antarctic ice core temperature estimates reflect the temperature in that part of Antarctica. Which is a mix of global, regional and local temperature signals. Temperature estimates from geographically close cores are sometimes quite different. And temperature changes at other latitudes often move out of sync (and sometimes in opposite directions) on century to millennial time scales.
CO2 is both a driver and a feedback with respect to warming. As water and land begin to warm for any reason (including solar, orbital, or tectonic drivers), atmospheric CO2 tends to rise which feeds back to cause further warming. This amplifies the relatively small forcing caused by orbital factors, for instance.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Jun 13, 2013 - 11:35pm PT
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my point is that 3% change in CO2 is more than enough to cause the change of temperature we're seeing,
If that is true, did we cause it? You people seem to guide your 'facts' in a certain direction, as I do too, but look at global history. Please.
Sometimes the galaxy dictates our weather maybe. The sun.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Jun 13, 2013 - 11:47pm PT
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the only folks asking about cause are fools
You don't get it. Questioning science promotes better science. Al Gore is the worst thin that happened to "Global Warming". He is a fool.
Now, "Climate Change" is all the rage. I don't dispute anything except the anthropomorphic crap. This is a cyclical Solar event. To deny that these occur on the same rates that AGW occurs is utter denial.
And the honest scientists know this!
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Jun 13, 2013 - 11:47pm PT
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Now come on Ed, it can't be that hard to understand what i said. Let me repeat: The atmospheric concentration of CO2 has increased in the industrial age from 285ppm to today's 400ppm. That is an increase of 115ppm. Now of that 115ppm increase the portion attributable to anthropogenic causes is 3% of 115ppm or 4.45ppm. There is no way, in this universe at least, that a 4.45ppm increase of atmospheric CO2 can cause a 9c global temperature increase. Furthermore, the ice core record and other proxies show surface temperature increase first before atmospheric CO2 increase.
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Jun 13, 2013 - 11:50pm PT
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Note the green line jump on the last pixel column of the graph into the top graph.
Now, in a straight face, try to tell me that only 3% of that increase is due to man.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Jun 13, 2013 - 11:55pm PT
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do you have a reading comprehension problem? rick posited, oops, sorry for using that word, said that human contributions to the CO2 concentration of the the atmosphere was 3%, I took his number and did a rough calculation... very simple.
we caused it... rick says so...
Nice! the expected arrogance from a defender!
So I do not understand what "posited" means because you are so f*#king "smart" and no-one but a "scientist" is as f*#king smart as you. Nice!
We should all shut up and listen to you.
And if "rick" says something that is counter to logic, I should just listen to him.
This is how idiots elected someone like Obama. People don't think and just listen to words without thinking about what they mean.
I'm not as smart as you Ed, but I'm not a fool. I can smell bullshit a half-mile away.
You still fail to refute solar cycles and natural cycles in our Earth's weather.
I respect you, but please stop with the condescending bullsh#t. You know what I mean.
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Dr. Christ
Mountain climber
State of Mine
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Jun 14, 2013 - 12:01am PT
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You don't get it. Questioning science promotes better science.
Nope, you don't get it. Asking intelligent, relevant, testable questions promotes better science. Spewing your moranic bullshit does not promote science, it pisses people off and confuses the issue. Even Ed seems irritated with the moranic bullshit you idiots are spewing, and Ed is one of the nicest, most civil people on this site.
"There is no such thing as a stupid question, only stupid people."
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