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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Feb 17, 2013 - 03:37pm PT
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Dammit Dingus...mathematical and scientific concepts have no place in a conversation like this.
hell we are flirting with calculus here....
Damn liberal elitist crazy talk
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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Feb 17, 2013 - 06:58pm PT
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meteor doubters,
i am really out of touch
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Feb 18, 2013 - 12:40pm PT
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Our politicians have become special interest lobbyist for big bussiness putting the needs of their sponsors before the needs of the environment and voters...This is pure madness and another train wreck in the making...Of course the tax payers will be the ones asked to bail out these companies when the business models back fire....
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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But United States is not helping because well meaning Clean Air Act regulations demand our own clean coal electricity power plants scrubber sulfur gas from the 360 smoke stacks which stop the horror of acid rain drops. Ironic.
good point!
let's get rid of them pesky "clean air regulations"
and another good reason for doing so would increase the profits of the owners of the coal power plants cause they wouldn't have pay for none of that well meaning filtration stuff
they would be so grateful for the extra income they might hire an extra gardener!
stupid government, always trying to make life safer and healthier for people, dumb
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abrams
Sport climber
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Mar 22, 2013 - 10:33pm PT
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Removing salt from ocean water to green deserts is crazy expensive.
Simpler to just divert big rivers.
China see's the wisdom of big diversion projects.
and regret the fate of the River Yangtze, which, according to their forecasts, will dry up in 30 years. (due to diverting its water northward)
http://english.ruvr.ru/2012/01/12/63753961/
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Mar 31, 2013 - 04:38pm PT
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TGT.....The fleas died for your neo-conservsative idealology...Shame on you...
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Mar 31, 2013 - 04:38pm PT
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Just please look at how the simple fix has nicely worked of letting natural and human made sulfur aerosols reflect sunlight away from the earth and happily causing low record temperatures
record low temperatures?
because it got cold in China?
and all that goofy scientific measuring and arctic ice melting is just silly made up to scare the sheep?
seriously, there aren't any "climate change deniers" around anymore
the only remaining question is how much of the global rise in temps is man made
not that it matters as we are already dealing with it
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Mar 31, 2013 - 04:45pm PT
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Gonna have to come up with another "model" pretty soon.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Mar 31, 2013 - 05:11pm PT
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thanks for posting that graph TGT
it shows very clearly the rising of earth's overall temperatures
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bookworm
Social climber
Falls Church, VA
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“Over the past 15 years air temperatures at the Earth’s surface have been flat while greenhouse-gas emissions have continued to soar,” The Economist writes. “The world added roughly 100 billion tons of carbon to the atmosphere between 2000 and 2010. That is about a quarter of all the CO2 put there by humanity since 1750.” Yet, no more warming.
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bookworm
Social climber
Falls Church, VA
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The Economist notes the work of Ed Hawkins of the University of Reading in Britain. He has found that if global temperatures stay the same for a few more years, they will fall below the range of 20 climate models. In other words, the scientific “consensus” will have been proven wrong.
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bookworm
Social climber
Falls Church, VA
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the economist, leading the vast right-wing conspiracy since f's last post
first there was "global warming" until there wasn't
then there was "climate change" because nobody can deny the climate changes since the climate has been changing for as long as there's been a climate
and, now, there's "global weirding":
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/17/opinion/17friedman.html?_r=0
which, of course, makes the most sense since NOBODY knows why the climate changes, why it gets colder, why it gets warmer, why it remains stable for long periods of time
winston smith is dead
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BASE104
Social climber
An Oil Field
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I know it is a little over your heads, but there is a great example of a C02 driven hothouse event in the late Jurassic /early Cretaceous.
The subsequent global anoxic conditions caused the rich carbon source rocks for the middle east oil fields.
Most of the carbon rich source shale in N America are from another event in the late Devonian - Early Mississippian. The fossil record is weaker during that one because it occurred during the arrival of land plants.
The C02 concentration of that event is known, and we won't hit that until we double the amount of carbon that we have already released.
It isn't like this is a secret. I read a paper the other day that discussed global source rock episodes during those two events. The paper was written in 1980, and is still a must read if you want to play the shale gas or Bakken.
I'm about this close to taking a Sr Geologist job with a huge Bakken player. I'm finishing up my Kansas stratigraphy. I keep getting job offers to work Kansas, which is hot right now.
So I am juggling offers right now.
Anyway, when conservatives try to play scientist, it is either bible or economics driven. It doesn't seem science driven. That's why I stopped voting for them.
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BASE104
Social climber
An Oil Field
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I can't believe that I just posted on a thread with Ron Ron and Bookworm.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Yeah you guys, it is not a settled scientific fact that the small measured rise in global mean temperatures is above normal variability nor whether it is primarily man made, no matter how much guys like Base arrogantly lecture us as if we are children who don't understand that it is consensually settled. There have been natural ebbs and flows of both temperature and sea levels over geologic time. Hell, anyone who has studied the comparatively recent paleoclimate can tell you that the last 10,000 years have been way outside the norm in the remarkable degree of stability we have enjoyed. Just go to Paleo lakes Bonneville and Lahontan and look at the multitudes of prehistoric shore lines on the surrounding mountains to see that in the recent past the climatic conditions have changed both much more frequently and radically than in historic times.
This Earth has swung wildly in climate from virtual hothouse conditions with a poisonous atmosphere to a planet completely encased in ice.There are to many variables to consider from the Milankovitch cycles, to our orbit about the milky way and variability of cosmic dust, to the effects of cosmic rays on the atmosphere, to natural variability of volcanic activity and resulting type, quantity, and longevity of airborne particulates, to solar radiation output variability and the fact we only have several hundred years of observation,to the unknown capacity of the natural sinks to absorb CO2. To state unequivocally, that we are in the midst of disastrous man made global warming is not science it is politics.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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The collective scientific community compare notes at a glacial pace while Exxon patents propoganda at the speed of light...
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Ed can you get ahold of the studies themselves and the actual data used to prime the models or are the papers peer reviewed and sent back for editing to the point the desired outcomes/conclusions are reached and that is all we see? Is the IPCC and sympathetic governments keeping such a tight lid of control over the science as to effectively squelch any significant dissent?
It would be nice to think that scientists are above the fray but we also know that funding is the life blood of research.
I don't think the point is so subtle, when after all we are seeing less than a 1 degree rise in mean temperature when the often cited models are calling for much more.
Wouldn't scientific research reach more productive ends if the emphasis was on CO2 sequestration or novel usage of the molecule rather than limiting the technologies that has enabled the human race to reach its present state?
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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Just curious Rick,are you a meteor doubter also?
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