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wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Dec 20, 2012 - 06:31pm PT
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1W8MnveFq8&feature=endscreen&NR=1.so who do you believe?at 1:30 is the rub.i have asked,friends that work at the dec have asked,what chems? not one answer.....im done w/fracking,because it is december 21st,and it is raining in wny.












healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Jan 5, 2013 - 04:33am PT
Ice Rinks in Canada’s Arctic Turn to Cooling Systems

January 4, 2013, By JEFF Z. KLEIN, NYTimes

Winter has come to the vast, northernmost reaches of Canada, the sparsely populated area surrounding the Arctic Circle historically characterized by severely cold weather. But these days refrigeration systems are needed to keep the ice cold at hockey arenas.

Puvirnituq is among the Nunavik villages using cooling systems at their arenas. As temperatures climb, natural ice is harder to maintain. It has been too warm for December hockey in the Arctic, the latest sign that climate change is altering the environment and the way people live — especially in the far north, where the effects of rising temperatures are most pronounced.

Nine of the 14 villages in Nunavik, a region in northernmost Quebec, have installed cooling systems at community arenas within the last five years.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/05/sports/hockey/more-rinks-in-far-north-find-need-for-cooling-systems.html?partner=rss&emc=rss&_r=0
Gunkie

Trad climber
East Coast US
Jan 11, 2013 - 10:54pm PT
Heat, Flood or Icy Cold, Extreme Weather Rages Worldwide



http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/11/science/earth/extreme-weather-grows-in-frequency-and-intensity-around-world.html
Splater

climber
Grey Matter
Jan 16, 2013 - 08:36pm PT
The lights of North Dakota.

www.npr.org/blogs/krulwich/2013/01/16/169511949/a-mysterious-patch-of-light-shows-up-in-the-north-dakota-dark
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Jan 24, 2013 - 08:55am PT
You heard it here first:


A series of polls provide new tests for how weather influences public beliefs about climate change. Statewide data from 5,000 random-sample telephone interviews conducted on 99 days over two and a half years (2010 to 2012) are merged with temperature and precipitation indicators derived from USHCN station records. The surveys carry a question designed around scientific consensus statements that climate change is happening now, caused mainly by human activities. Alternatively, respondents can state that climate change is not happening, or that it is happening but mainly for natural reasons. Belief that humans are changing the climate is predicted by temperature anomalies on the interview and previous day, controlling for season, survey and individual characteristics. Temperature effects concentrate among one subgroup, however: individuals who identify themselves as Independent, rather than aligned with a political party. Interviewed on unseasonably warm days, Independents tend to agree with the scientific consensus regarding anthropogenic climate change. On unseasonably cool days, they tend not to. Although temperature effects are sharpest for just a 2-day window, we see positive effects for longer windows as well. As future climate change shifts the distribution of anomalies and extremes, this will first affect beliefs among unaligned voters.

Hamilton & Stampone (2013) Weather, Climate and Society
bookworm

Social climber
Falls Church, VA
Jan 24, 2013 - 09:12am PT
right, because the government has proven itself to be so effective in reducing poverty, lowering the cost of health care, managing debt and deficits, ending racism, delivering the mail, providing efficient service at the dmv, etc.


here's a reasonable assessment from somebody who is NOT skeptical of climate change and even asserts co2's role:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323485704578258172660564886.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_LEADTop

why do you libs continue to look to the government to solve your problems when history PROVES government can't...and the bigger the government, the LESS effective it is in dealing with the really important issues...look at hurricane sandy--in what ways did the government improve its response since katrina? the government actually moved generators to central park for a f***in CONCERT rather than using them to power gas stations and grocery stores and emergency shelters

and you think, no, you BELIEVE the government can save the planet!!???
dirtbag

climber
Jan 24, 2013 - 09:14am PT
bookworm...zzz...
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 24, 2013 - 01:33pm PT
why do you libs continue to look to the government to solve your problems when history PROVES government can't


Wheels falling off the cart, eh Booky?


Nobody is saying that Gov't can solve the problem. However, it is Governments who set energy policy for their respective countries.

Got it? Do I need to explain more, or can you catch the drift from there?

I mean, I'm used to talking to teenagers, so let me know if you need help with this.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Jan 24, 2013 - 01:40pm PT
+2 or 3 ,k-man
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 24, 2013 - 02:02pm PT
It was the other day that I had a crazy idea for a Sci-Fi story. We're probably all familiar with the premise of how an alien species "seeded" the Earth with intelligent beings. You know, we're their Guinna pigs in a petri dish sort of thing.

My story is an offshoot of this, in a weird sort of way.

Imagine, IYW, that the aliens that seeded our planet are actually way advanced. Well yeah, they gotta be, right? And, being advanced in intelligence, as well as knowing how societies and civilizations evolve, are able to predict fairly accurately how our society will advance. And that includes discovering the properties of atoms, atomic bombs, and of course, the progression of energy sources.

The aliens know about the 'black gold' that lays beneath the Earth's crust, and that we'll discover the ways it can work for us. They also know the downside of fossil fuels, and know to the decade when the evils of CO2 will catch up to us.

In this regard, they have not only planted the seeds for our civilization, but also the seeds for our book of books, the Holy Bible. You see, they know of their Second Coming, and about when it needs to happen. That the Earth will be wrapped in flames (due to the warming caused by an over-abundance of CO2), and this is all laid out in our "holy book."

The goal of our alien 'fathers' is to study, learn, and to do so in a semi-controlled environment. They offer the inputs, but we offer the reactions. Seeding us with a glimpse of the reactions from our actions will help them understand how societies evolve. Or some such BS.

I haven't fully thought out the ending, but I think all I need is someone like Arthur C. Clarke to help me write it. You know, a la Childhood's End.

And yeah, I think it was from a fog of single malt that this story came to me in a day dream.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Jan 28, 2013 - 05:52pm PT
Bruce,the series seems good so far ,but i am just a dumbass with a geology degree.
McHale's Navy

Trad climber
Panorama City, California & living in Seattle
Jan 28, 2013 - 06:13pm PT
Looks very reasonable and respectable to me but I'm just a drop-out, a garage tinkerer. My main interest was going to be Geo-Physics however. I don't think people realize just how much CO2 we put into the atmosphere - approximately 100 times what volcanoes spew every year - according to places like USGS. It is way outside what the status quo carbon cycle can handle. I think that even producing gasoline for instance, produces as much CO2 as the cars do when they burn the fuel! I started riding scooters and higher mileage motorcycles about 5 years ago just to do something for starters. I kept thinking about the Polar Bears and etc. It's crazy that we all go along like nothing's happening. My biggest fear is that we go too far and HAVE to geo-engineer the atmosphere.

I'm reading a book now called Oil and Ice - about how good we were at decimating whales and walruses to get our oil - the beginning of the addiction.
abrams

Sport climber
Feb 7, 2013 - 12:28am PT
trolling Bruce? Coal is the next best thing humans have ever found next to pizza. Its energy, its spill proof unlike oil and if the Earth did not want us to burn it it never would have been created.
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Feb 7, 2013 - 01:33am PT
abrams: Its energy, its spill proof unlike oil and if the Earth did not want us to burn it it never would have been created.

After a long history of catastrophic fly ash spills you might want to rethink that one...






climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Feb 9, 2013 - 12:17pm PT
abrams

Sport climber
Feb 9, 2013 - 01:27pm PT
healyje - well ok that seems like a good point but since most of the planet is covered in unfathomably deep ooze a lot like this it could be said we are just mimicking nature. The Earth is our best teacher.

McHale's Navy

Trad climber
Panorama City, California & living in Seattle
Feb 9, 2013 - 01:39pm PT
The Earth is our best teacher.


The Earth is gonna bust our/yower balls. It's gonna be an ouwee wowee lesson! You won't know if you're and innie or an outtie!
abrams

Sport climber
Feb 9, 2013 - 02:14pm PT
exactly mchale! Nature and the processes it governs is all about ball busting. eat or be eaten etc. and human civilization has taken full advantage of this tried and true way of life.

bruce -ooze -sea floor mud- 60% of the Earth where feces and dead animals rain from the sky non stop.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Feb 17, 2013 - 02:05pm PT
Smith is from the same state as that other jack-ass , Bush is...How much longer will these regressive lobbyist for stupidity be allowed to govern...?
BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
Feb 17, 2013 - 03:19pm PT
Sh#t, Now we need a right to bear telescopes.
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