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rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Oct 22, 2014 - 06:02pm PT
Hey Ray, look at Chiloes sea ice volume graph below for the truth that Arctic sea ice is most certainly on a recent rebound-largest volume in seven years. As far as NH snow duration, just ask the Europeans or Irish that were skiing in july in recent years, the midwestern and eastern americans , east and central canadians that endured a prolonged winter last year with ice on the great lakes till july, or me who witnessed the longest Alaskan winter in recent decades ( in fact my wife and I incredibly pulled up to the bank of the Tanana in 2013 just minutes before the latest ice out in the history of the Nenana ice classic). Your whole rebuttal was unfounded crapola.By the way Phule, would you be so kind as to provide Information on what you do for a living to the good folks here.

Evidence Ed? I'll answer that. Its in the rocks, the fossils, the sediments, in the ice, under the ice, In the variation of output in the solar radiation spectrum, in variation of solar magnetic flux, in the ocean currents and overturn oscillations, in our present orbit , axial tilt and calendrical seasonal orientation of axial wobble,in recorded history, in the raw temp data before the numerous smoothings, homogenizations, infills, in the publications of Club of Rome and numerous enviromental organizations, in the emails between leading climate mouthpeices, and hopefully someday soon before a judge and jury on the journey of leading criminal catastrophists to Incarceration.

wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Oct 22, 2014 - 06:09pm PT
Not Very Likely.

Nice sentence though.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Oct 22, 2014 - 06:30pm PT
Evidence Ed? I'll answer that. Its in the rocks, the fossils, the sediments, in the ice, under the ice, In the variation of output in the solar radiation spectrum, in variation of solar magnetic flux, in the ocean currents and overturn oscillations, in our present orbit , axial tilt and calendrical seasonal orientation of axial wobble,in recorded history, in the raw temp data before....


Yes Rick we know you can say anything that pops into your head, but can you show it?

Even a Dingbat like Sarah Palin can prattle off like that, but she can't demonstrate anything



.....the numerous smoothings, homogenizations, infills, in the publications of Club of Rome and numerous enviromental organizations, in the emails between leading climate mouthpeices, and hopefully someday soon before a judge and jury on the journey of leading criminal catastrophists to Incarceration.

Same thing. Show your work. Demonstrate it. Darn.... can't do that one either?

Do you know why that is important? If you can't provide substantiation, there is no reason to respect your opinion. In fact, there is every reason to disrespect your opinion. Your opinion is worth dogshit if you don't even have enough courage to risk your reputation by providing the substantive basis for your judgement, and no.... a wet finger n the wind dosn't cut it.

Why? Because without providing validity and verification, one can only surmise that your entire judgement is dependant on your intuition which by definition cannot be explained.

As suspect as that is, it still provides a glimmer of hope that your intuitive sense may have value in providing correct guidance.

So..... have you got it? Can you give us even a hint that your intuition is worth anything more than some superstitious old nag who refuses to cross a black cats path or go under a ladder?
What exactly is the basis for your fantastically accurate intuitive skill in a technical field that you have exacty zero experience and training in?

Enquiring minds would like to know.

Tell us how you do it Rick

Norton

Social climber
quitcherbellyachin
Oct 22, 2014 - 06:39pm PT
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Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Oct 22, 2014 - 06:51pm PT
come on Rick, forgetting for the moment your pretense at scientific proficiency, you must agree that you use your intuition in forming your decisions and judgement. Seeing as that places you in the realm of the human, it is neither surprising or anything to be ashamed of. Its normal!

OK? Intuitive decision making is normal. There is even a whole realm of study devoted to it, called Naturalistic decision making and the proponents certainly provide much evidence that it is extremely valuable and even irreplaceable.

So maybe just maybe you have this ability in this case. It shows its worth under certain circumstances.

Can you guess under what circumstances?
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Oct 22, 2014 - 07:14pm PT
Oh snap out of it Rick. We know - intuitively I might add - that you are lurking silently, wondering if you can risk a response.

Go for it. What have you got to lose? Your name is mud already so with little left to lose, you can only gain!

There are three main processes of decision making:

1) Deliberation of fact. You have already admitted this is beyond the scope of your abilities so lets skip that one.


2) Intuition. Yes, there is still hope you can explain the worth of yours!


3).............



A third one? what might that be? Can you guess? Maybe this is how you do it!

Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Oct 22, 2014 - 07:38pm PT
Oh fer christ sake Rick, this is getting embarassing. Your a climber.... act like one! Don't run away from a challenge you two bit chickensh#t.

The entire question of the Climate debate - that is the poltical one, not the scientific - revolves entirely on how judgements are formed in the absence of technical proficeincy.

How does the general public form a judgement? We have to know how it occurs before we can determine its worth, considering the forecasting involved.

We know how the climate scientists forecast, and we can rate its worth without waiting til the fat lady sings to see its worth. Sure the debate on worth goes on as you guys like to show but what you seem to avoid like the plague is examining your own worth.

Why is that? frightened a bit? Irrelevant? Don't like to brag?

Or you actually don't know? You certainly don't appear to know how you form judgement and it is clear that you also don't want to know. One would think that you'd at least be curious....

unless all you need is faith perhaps
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Oct 22, 2014 - 08:33pm PT
There once was a contractor called Sumner
Who brisstled at the name of Dick Dumbner
He pretended to be smart
But produced only a fart
S'OK though cuz he lives in Wassila



heh.... I've been into the Scotch Rick. You should try it sometime!
Splater

climber
Grey Matter
Oct 22, 2014 - 08:41pm PT
Bruce, you are wasting your time.
Rick has already admitted that he is only here to "brawl."
To him, the physics and the facts are quite unimportant.
But when you reply to a denier, you are just dragging this thread down into the mud, which is what he wants.

http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=970221&msg=2470755#msg2470755

http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=970221&msg=2225676#msg2225676

When he even bothers to attempt to back up his claims or cite a source, it is typically just a front for ALEC.
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Center_for_the_Study_of_Carbon_Dioxide_and_Global_Change

It's one thing to be a skeptic, but you are never going to have a rational discussion with a denier; it's just mud-wrestling with pigs. The time devoted to rational refutation of denialism is time you will never get back. In the meantime, the pig is ecstatic over sidetracking you from any actual accomplishments.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Oct 22, 2014 - 08:52pm PT
sigh..... yes I know. But miracles can Happen!!!




Unlikey as it is and really i could give a sh#t either way. Some people can't change but i think its important to show that at least. The greater majority of us can
raymond phule

climber
Oct 23, 2014 - 12:00am PT

Hey Ray, look at Chiloes sea ice volume graph below for the truth that Arctic sea ice is most certainly on a recent rebound-largest volume in seven years.

It looks like a tie with 2009 (2009 is actual higher than 2014) and lower than 2008 and that is not seven years but I guess that details like that doesn't matter. It is just one more claim like [not even in the top 5 hottest years to date according to UAH] when it is actually in the top 3.

It is also a much less rebound than you claimed were going to happen this summer.


As far as NH snow duration, just ask the Europeans or Irish that were skiing in july in recent years,

I am a European skier so I ask my self. Did I ski in july the last years? No. Where it a lot of snow last winter? No, it was a unusual bad season. Were the season very long? No, it was short.

So rick it seems like you just made up stuff as usual.


the midwestern and eastern americans , east and central canadians that endured a prolonged winter last year with ice on the great lakes till july, or me who witnessed the longest Alaskan winter in recent decades ( in fact my wife and I incredibly pulled up to the bank of the Tanana in 2013 just minutes before the latest ice out in the history of the Nenana ice classic).

Yes, we know that same part of north America has been cool the last years. It is not difficult to find that also from untrusted sources like noaa and nasa. Some other part have been warm though.


Your whole rebuttal was unfounded crapola.
Ok, so I guess that we cant trust UAH anymore or the snow cover data that exist.


By the way Phule, would you be so kind as to provide Information on what you do for a living to the good folks here.

Why should I do that? What should be best in your view, if I were a buss driver or a scientist?

rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Oct 23, 2014 - 07:31am PT
What would be most damning In my mind Ray? Probably a supplier, contractor, or engineer involved/dependent on the flow of funding to solar or wind.

So I missed the super ski season by a year or whatever, at least my ice guesstimate was closer than yours.

Frosty- im glad I switched off last night. Its sad to witness your kind of babbling meltdown.

Anything new under the sun today guys?
raymond phule

climber
Oct 23, 2014 - 07:35am PT

So I missed the super ski season by a year or whatever, at least my ice guesstimate was closer than yours.

Rick, do you ever think before you write? My prediction were closer than your claim.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Oct 23, 2014 - 07:49am PT
I really like how you guys consistently claim the behavior high ground, while serving up your own sh#t.

NO you ignorant tw#t, we do not claim the behavior high ground. We are as human as anyone else and are prone to expressing our contempt and ridicule equal to anyone.

What we claim is the process high ground, which is in fact the ethical high ground.

It is not purely by accident that the deniers like to confuse the two and the distinction is important. In fact, this confusion is critical to your success. Red State mouth breathers are obssessed with their entitlement of respect, yet refuse to engage in the process of earning it. Those two elements are central to their ideology. They are not at all central to our ideology, which is respect and value is earned, and that process is available to anyone regardless of intelligence or knowledge.

You know this full well Sketch but you chose confusion, obfuscation, denial of fact, cherry picking, confirmation bias and all the other subversions of process because you have no interest in earning it, only subversion. It is your ethics that stink, not your intelligence and not even your "behavior".

You know it, Chuff knows it and Dick knows it.

You know this intuitively of course but yes it is possible to verify your intuitions. You also know your intuitions of science are shakey and that is why you ignore all opportunity to examine it.
The Chief

climber
Laughing at all you angry blinded a$#hat Sheep
Oct 23, 2014 - 08:02am PT
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC

Oct 23, 2014 - 07:49am PT
NO you ignorant tw#t, we do not claim the behavior high ground. We are as human as anyone else and are prone to expressing our contempt and ridicule equal to anyone.

The beyond hysterical excuses just keep on coming from you Azzhat AGWists. And you all claim that your higher level of education is your bases for your supposed superiority on this issue. Hmmmmm!



What we claim is the process high ground, which is in fact the ethical high ground.

Now that is just some plain old typical AGWist Utopian bullshet. How you can you claim something then state it is a fact solely based on your presumption of ethical standing?

Btw, who the fk states it is in fact the ethical high ground...You BRUCEE KY?


Thanks for the constant good laugh you always deliver first thing in the morning.




Off to burn some more metal and finish cutting up the tree I fell yesterday. Gotta do my part to emit them climate change contributing human emissions.

BTW!! Picked up one of these on Monday after doing some research on price and performance. Been renting both Stihl and Husky's to get shet done around the property. Gotta say, this thing is one BADAZZ Saw for the buck. It is kicking azz and cuts as good if not better than the two saws priced twice as much.

Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Oct 23, 2014 - 08:05am PT
Rick, do you ever think before you write?


No and you should be ashamed to suggest that he must. It is his enttilement to say anything he wants and be respected for it

Rick is all style and fashion, no substance



Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Oct 23, 2014 - 08:15am PT
I prefer

meritocracy

to

mediocracy
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Oct 23, 2014 - 08:17am PT
Btw, who the fk states it is in fact the ethical high ground...You BRUCEE KY?

whoa there chuff, don't cut and run so fast you cross dressing fashion queen. I do state it but only Dick Dumnber would claim a statement as a benchmark of fact. We can prove it.

Or if you prefer you can prove otherwise.

That is, once you find a ladder to get over your entitlement butt hurt. would a soother help?
The Chief

climber
Laughing at all you angry blinded a$#hat Sheep
Oct 23, 2014 - 08:49am PT
So much for your "ethical" high ground, Malnuts and Brucee KY!


GO KEYSTONE TRANS CANADA OIL PIPELINE!!

Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Oct 23, 2014 - 08:56am PT
You see? As Daryl Hatooni would say, you dancing queens are light weights. When things get rough you cut and run.

Dick says " anything new under the sun boys?" he is studiously ignoring an obvious glaring opportunity to examine his own competency and ethical bearing. Oh I know the subject has come up before but never once have these lightweights had the backbone to wade into those shark infested waters.

That would be very new. To stop hiding behind your thin skinned butthurt and actually present a cogent rational case in defense of your process. I can do that and in fact I have before. Not one of you lightweights dare to.

Rick puts his foot in his mouth all the time, but when you try to spin reality around myth that should be expected. All image, no substance.



notice the cute little tri- corn hats?
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