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Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Jan 31, 2015 - 08:14am PT
Over the past 50 years throughout most of B.C. and Alberta, the average nightly low temperature in the middle of winter has increased at least 2 C near the coast and up to 5 C in parts of the Rockies, according to University of Saskatchewan hydrologist John Pomeroy. Dr. Pomeroy, a Canada Research Chair in Water Resources and Climate Change, said climate change has shortened the spring ski season anywhere from four to six weeks at many hills.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/british-columbia/how-bcs-ski-resorts-are-coping-with-global-warming/article22731538/

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EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Jan 31, 2015 - 08:36am PT
Interesting story. Love the graphics.





Here's another, for Whistler.



I'd like to see which "parts of The Rockies" have experienced a 5 C (9 F) increase in average nightly low temperature in the middle of winter, over the last 50 years.
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Jan 31, 2015 - 08:42am PT
The New York Times, Resources for the Future and Stanford University polled more than 1,000 American adults from Jan. 7 to 22 about issues pertaining to climate change and survey results showed that majority recognize global warming as real and that they would want their government to acknowledge the same so efforts to curb climate change can be enforced.

However, most Americans believe that global warming is more of a future threat. It is not the most pressing concern right now for many, with 44 percent of respondents saying global warming has not affected them personally. Respondents were more concerned about the repercussions global warming would have on future generations, with 43 percent saying it would affect them a great deal if nothing is done to address the issue.

The results of the poll also have implications for the presidential race in 2016 as about two-thirds of Americans are likelier to vote for a candidate campaigning to fight climate change. Global warming might not be a concern right now but a candidate that outright denies the existence of the problem will not be in a good light when the campaign period starts. Even 48 percent of Republicans are throwing their weight behind someone fighting climate change.
http://www.techtimes.com/articles/30034/20150131/survey-reveals-americans-see-global-warming-as-critical-threat-call-for-action-on-climate-change.htm
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/01/29/us/global-warming-poll.html?_r=0

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Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Jan 31, 2015 - 08:52am PT
Right DMT. And endangered Polar Bears, blaming all adverse weather events on agw, the precautionary principle, "even if the science is wrong its still the right thing to do for the planet", and on and on and on aren't?

This is another strawman. Stay focused, bro!

DMT
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Jan 31, 2015 - 09:08am PT
Forget Climategate. This global warming scandal is much bigger.

Thanks to those objective, unbiased journalists at Brietbart, we see how numerous temperature records have been dramatically adjusted. The article is too large to C&P, so I'll just provide a link.

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/01/30/forget-climategate-this-global-warming-scandal-is-much-bigger/

Based on my first read, this looks somewhat damning. Are these rare exceptions? Is an equal amount of data adjusted downward? Or is this an example of our trusted government scientists gaming the results?
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Jan 31, 2015 - 09:15am PT
I see those objective, unbiased journalists at Brietbert have joined the 'hey look at Paraguay' denier meme.



Data adjustments account for only 3% of the global warming over the last 50 years.

BEST (partially funded by the Koch brothers) adjusts the Paraguay data with their own algorithms and comes up with similar results to NOAA
locker

climber
STFU n00b!!!
Jan 31, 2015 - 09:16am PT

"why did 100% of Repubs in America vote in people"...


"I'm a Republican and I didn't vote in any of those people."...



Well that took the wind RIGHT out of the sails...

LOL!!!...
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Jan 31, 2015 - 09:52am PT
Based on my first read, this looks somewhat damning. Are these rare exceptions? Is an equal amount of data adjusted downward? Or is this an example of our trusted government scientists gaming the results?

Edward, it you're honestly curious about the science, and not just posting right-wing talking points, you could start by looking up what actual scientists have to say. About the surface temperature records generally or these latest claims in particular. The Puerto Casada accusations were instantly shown to be incompetent hackwork -- you've been taken in again! How come you couldn't guess that from the source?

Show some skepticism if you can.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 31, 2015 - 10:07am PT
Forget Climategate. This global warming scandal is much bigger.



Pretty funny, Climategate has been shown to have been a complete farce and a fiasco that was used to divert the lemmings who are easily swayed by FOX News and other right-wing 'news' outlets. How much money is given to groups to muddy the conclusions of real climate science, and what's the name of the popular blog that broke the scoop and perpetuated the bogus story?


Looks like they hooked you pretty good, EdwardT. I mean, you're asking us to forget something that has already been completely debunked and forgotten.
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Jan 31, 2015 - 10:08am PT
and who is James Delingpole?

I think he'd say "I am not a scientist, but..."

he should leave it at "I am not a scientist."

The methods for analyzing the world's raw temperature data have been explicitly described in many papers over a very long time. Questions that had been raised regarding these methodologies spawned the Berkeley Earth Surface Temperature (BEST) group who thought the criticisms were sufficiently credible to launch an independent study.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berkeley_Earth

and it had the initial support of many well known skeptic bloggers, and it was not something that the climate science community particularly welcomed (because they believed that they had done the same thing and published their results)...

...as for BEST, upon releasing their results, the well known skeptic bloggers rejected them and the climate science community basically reacted with a collective, "that's what we've been saying all along."



apparently this independent review by credible scientists with no funding ties to the government climate research program is not considered "independent." The proof being, apparently, that they concluded the same thing as the climate science community had. It seems a rather foolish on those accusing BEST of being partisan, the very thing BEST attempted to avoid.

But in this debate, even on this thread, it seems that those who are arguing that this science is bogus also exclude the possibility that anyone who is a scientist is suspect and has no credible voice in the discussion. Oddly, anyone able to work through even the simplest papers is de facto suspect, since such people conclude that the climate science is credible.



If you seriously want to discuss the way in which the "raw data" of surface temperatures are analyzed (which we've attempted to do in the past on this thread, to no avail) we can dig the papers out and have a discussion. However, I doubt that is the intent when such a silly link is provided as a starting point in an endlessly circular "gotcha" discussions on points that have been very well established.

You might as well state from the onset that you aren't interested in the discussion, you're just interested in arguing... which becomes pointless if you aren't willing to accept the work that has been done to address the points.
The Chief

climber
RFLMAO here on the Taco
Jan 31, 2015 - 11:36am PT
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula

Jan 31, 2015 - 07:33am PT
why did 100% of Repubs in America vote in people

I'm a Republican and I didn't vote in any of those people.

WTF do you matter KOS.

"Those people" won by a vast majority throughout the nation on NOV 4th including the dude that is reping YOUR district.

Thus your vote and mere existence in the local REPUB population is a total moot one.

Too funeee KOS.




And you aint NO Republican dude. Most if not ALL of your posts on the taco say the complete opposite. So cease the bullshet.



They're tribal.

Maybe so. But the reality is that "Tribe" is taking over and going run shet the way they want it run.

One reason being that the other tribe was too frkn lazy to get off their couches and go vote.

Now that is tooooooooo funneeeeeee!


rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Jan 31, 2015 - 11:41am PT
The Chief...Your participation in the John Birch society is also moot...You going to attend the hangar moving party at Yosemite-Mammoth International...? rj
The Chief

climber
RFLMAO here on the Taco
Jan 31, 2015 - 11:45am PT
No party gonna happen RJ cus them hangars aint going anywhere. They are just fine where they are at per the FAA.

But keep believing the bullshet you read in the town enquirer known as the "Sheet" and keeping voting for complete asshats to run your defunk out of money to do jackshet town.


Now that one takes the cake of laughs today RJ, the Town of MML City Council.


Here is their moto:

"BUT BUT BUT BUT BUT...... BUT!"


And WTF is this John Birch society anyhow.
The Chief

climber
RFLMAO here on the Taco
Jan 31, 2015 - 12:28pm PT
and they have no choice but to adapt."

You mean humans will have to return to behaving like the rest of the animal kingdom does... Adapt to their surrounding infinitely changing environment vise trying desperately to change it.


No fking way Crunch. That is just terrible.


But I can see how that will be a definite tough endeavor for most of the modern Western Robotic Sheep tribe..


raymond phule

climber
Jan 31, 2015 - 12:32pm PT

Adapt to their surrounding infinitely changing environment vise trying desperately to change it.
Because trying to change it by not doing something is something bad?
The Chief

climber
RFLMAO here on the Taco
Jan 31, 2015 - 12:34pm PT
No Phule.. cus they have a really piss poor track record of doing so.

Probably because what they have done in the past on a regular basis always fks it all up.

Besides Phule, according to all your "Science" data that is out there, this isn't the first time that sea levels, C02 and temps have risen on planet earth. Nor is it the last time that they will do so.

Regardless human kinds presence.
raymond phule

climber
Jan 31, 2015 - 12:45pm PT
I really don't know what you are talking about.

Have humans made many mistakes because they stopped doing something?

I would rather say that humans have done some stupid mistakes because they didn't know about the consequences or didn't listen to the persons that did.

Leaded gasoline, asbestos, the gases that destroy the ozone layer and many more. Humans finally understood their mistakes and limited those things.

Burning fossil fuels fit well into those things but you seems to suggest that it would be bad to stop burning fossil fuels. Do you also believe that it was stupid to stop using leaded gasoline?
The Chief

climber
RFLMAO here on the Taco
Jan 31, 2015 - 12:49pm PT
That is NOT changing their environment Phule. That is changing their behavior.

In doing so, they are adapting to the surrounding environment. NOT changing it.


So make up your mind on your post....

raymond phule

climber

Jan 31, 2015 - 12:32pm PT

Adapt to their surrounding infinitely changing environment vise trying desperately to change it.


Because trying to change it by not doing something is something bad?


And not one of you here or out there can say with any certainty what so ever what is going to happen on this planet 100 years from let alone the next 20-50 years.

rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Jan 31, 2015 - 12:50pm PT
The Chief...I agree with your town council critique which leads to the question of why they would hire a couple of sailor guys to work at an airport....?
The Chief

climber
RFLMAO here on the Taco
Jan 31, 2015 - 12:54pm PT
They DIDN'T have anything to do with the hiring process in my case RJ.

They were removed from that loop after the you know who incident that took place prior to my hiring and whom I was replacing which they were involved in hiring.



And Manning's original hiring back in 1990, the Town Council was never involved in either. The Director of PW was the final hiring authority in his case. As was mine and the ensuing hiring's since me.


Next question RJ?
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