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The Chief

climber
RFLMAO here on the Taco
Jan 30, 2015 - 12:14pm PT
try to do what's right.

As did and have all them 1000's of scientists that have been hard at work for the past 100 plus years working for Big Oil. Designing all them FF's that we have ALL been using on a regular basis making ALL of our lives comfortable. For many here, had it not been for all them FF's, most would not be able to have accomplished all the great feats in their climbing careers. Including you.

Yes or no?


Fact is, science is indeed it's own worst enemy. Greed and money prevails within it and always will.

If you really get down the truth of all this "pollution" mess, C02 or otherwise that we are in, it all stems from scientific "discoveries" and ongoing implementations.

Science is basically doing nothing more than covering it's own ass at this point.
dirtbag

climber
Jan 30, 2015 - 02:18pm PT
Zzzzzz....
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Jan 30, 2015 - 04:26pm PT
you are happy to use the modern conveniences offered by our technologies,

yes or no?

science provides the knowledge to produce the technologies... if you don't like it "just don't clip the bolt"

as far as genetic modification, did it ever occur to you that is exactly what happened in the domestication of various species: cows, sheep, corn, wheat, etc... only thousands of years ago? they are all genetically modified, selected to be of use to humans, by humans...

oh the horror!
new world order2

climber
Jan 30, 2015 - 05:42pm PT
oh the horror!

Yes Ed, the "various species" you speak of were genetically modified, but by natural/non-scientific methods.

What Franken-Monsanto is creating, is a whole other corn on the cob.

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2007/10/16/gm-study-reveals-health-damage-and-cover-up.aspx

A German court ordered Monsanto to make public a controversial 90-day rat study on June 20, 2005. The data upheld claims by prominent scientists that animals fed genetically modified (GM) corn developed extensive health effects in the blood, kidneys, and liver ... and that humans eating the corn might also be at risk.

Rats fed Mon 863 developed several reactions:

Increased basophils typically found with allergies

Increased lymphocytes and white blood cells, which is a common response to infections, toxins, and various diseases including cancer

Decreased reticulocyte (immature red blood cell) count as found in anemia

Decreased kidney weight, which often relates to blood pressure problems

Increased blood sugar levels

Kidney inflammation

Liver and kidney lesions

Do you like Froot Loops, Ed?

ndependent DNA lab testing has verified that 100% of the corn in Kellogg’s Froot Loops is genetically modified corn, containing DNA sequences known to be present in insecticide producing Bt and Roundup Ready corn.

Read more: http://naturalsociety.com/gmos-monsantos-roundup-found-kelloggs-froot-loops/#ixzz3QMK0R52Z
Follow us: @naturalsociety on Twitter | NaturalSociety on Facebook


The Chief

climber
RFLMAO here on the Taco
Jan 30, 2015 - 05:47pm PT
I am NOT the one on here claiming the consensus of "Science" states that it is humans causing this phenomena ED HARTOUNI. You are. Yet you are one of the status quo that continues to utilize all the luxuries that are causing this supposed issue all designed and incorporated by, your science.

Your science gave the humans all these ingredients to burn and spray. And now your science is not taking a bit of the blame but states it can fix it.

Oh the horror.

Thanks for confirming your support for the modern systematic geo engineering of our food sources. But then you as a scientist must support your fellow scientists.

Do you actually ingest them foods ED H?
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Jan 30, 2015 - 05:50pm PT
The Chief...You have a thing for sheep...Is it the Basque heritage..?
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Jan 30, 2015 - 05:53pm PT
Do you actually ingest them foods ED H?

I just enjoyed a nice beer which used yeasts, malts and barleys that were all scientifically manipulated (perhaps not by molecular biology, but scientific none the less)...

...so yes, in fact, we all ingest genetically modified foods.

You don't have too if you don't want to... I don't eat Fruit Loops, that's a personal choice.


WBraun

climber
Jan 30, 2015 - 05:55pm PT
Most scientists, like all of us, try to do what's right.


Are you sure you know what's right.

Rotting Johny sure doesn't ......
The Chief

climber
RFLMAO here on the Taco
Jan 30, 2015 - 06:02pm PT
Basque Heritage RJ?


Is that like your MML Airport claim that was pretty much bullshet?


Andaluz RJ.

I just enjoyed a nice beer which used yeasts, malts and barleys that were all scientifically manipulated

So, combining a bunch of natural ingredients together into a copper vat or wooden container and allowing the mixture to naturally ferment is now considered equal to scientifically genetically engineered modification of natural products in order grow them faster and bigger.

new world order2

climber
Jan 30, 2015 - 06:07pm PT
perhaps not by molecular biology

Therein lies the stickler. Unlike Monsanto.

There is no fruit in Froot Loops, Ed. I can see why you don't eat it. I don't either.
But there sure is a heck of a lot of GMO corn! Lol.

rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Jan 30, 2015 - 06:55pm PT
Ed's right. We've been modifying crops, livestock, and geoengineering our environment for ten thousand years. I don't understand the current paranoia about modified crops anymore than I understand the paranoia about climate.

Ooh. Fruitloops, I loved those as a kid.
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Jan 30, 2015 - 07:00pm PT
Everybody knows that there is no science on a farm.

It's not science unless there are labcoats, test tubes, and those electric sparky things.
The Chief

climber
RFLMAO here on the Taco
Jan 30, 2015 - 07:00pm PT
You do have a point there Rick regarding the paranoia aspect of it all.

Apparently old Ed H has no qualms with the ongoing modifications of our food sources. But he does with the aspect of the climate.

I would say that constitutes a pretty straight level of hypocrisy. Especially when some of them GMO'd ingredients and livestock are now being blamed for things such as ...

“It appears there is a direct correlation between GMOs and autism.”
-Arden Anderson, MD, PhD, MPH
http://www.responsibletechnology.org/autism

Which now appears to be afflicting millions of young children around the globe.


But I guess that pretty lucrative scientific operation is OK, huh ED H.

Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Jan 30, 2015 - 07:14pm PT
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_M._Smith

Smith is currently the executive director and sole employee of the Institute for Responsible Technology.

I hear they are doing joint research with the Institute of Mentalphysics.

moosedrool

climber
Andrzej Citkowicz far away from Poland
Jan 30, 2015 - 11:30pm PT
"Poll sheds light on Republicans’ changing global warming views.

Nearly half of Republicans said they were more likely to support a political candidate who believes in human-caused global warming and who advocates action to stop its effects on the environment, a new poll released by Stanford University, The New York Times and environmental nonprofit Resources for the Future shows.

Asked if they would be more or less likely to vote for a candidate who believed “global warming has been happening for the past 100 years,” primarily because of humans’ “burning fuels and putting out greenhouse gases,” some 48 percent of Republican respondents said they would be more likely to vote for such a candidate, compared with 24 percent who said they would be less likely to do so; 26 percent said it would have no effect."

http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2015/1/30/poll-sheds-light-on-gop-global-warming-views.html

Moosenews
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Jan 31, 2015 - 05:52am PT
The "underlying utopian agenda" will never be achieved.

This is the underlying strawman agenda.

DMT
The Chief

climber
RFLMAO here on the Taco
Jan 31, 2015 - 06:58am PT
Asked if they would be more or less likely to vote for a candidate who believed “global warming has been happening for the past 100 years,” primarily because of humans’ “burning fuels and putting out greenhouse gases,” some 48 percent of Republican respondents said they would be more likely to vote for such a candidate, compared with 24 percent who said they would be less likely to do so; 26 percent said it would have no effect."

Hey Moose, if this is true, then why did 100% of Repubs in America vote in people to the Congress and Senate just over two months ago that 72% of or greater ARE NOT in tune with the CAGW agenda and will do all they can to reverse many of the latest EPA/POTUS's mandates and regulations regarding Coal Fired Plants etc. Which btw now own both the House and the Senate.

Did something miraculously happen over the past 10 or so weeks to change the American Repubs thinking?

Just another example of the Left Winger (Both entities that are responsible for the survey are staunch Liberal based) bullshet political propaganda that is perpetuated regarding this agenda.


You clownbags are way tooo funneeeeeeee!
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Jan 31, 2015 - 07:28am PT
Hey Moose, if this is true, then why did 100% of Repubs in America vote in people to the Congress and Senate just over two months ago that 72% of or greater ARE NOT in tune with the CAGW agenda and will do all they can to reverse many of the latest EPA/POTUS's mandates and regulations regarding Coal Fired Plants etc. Which btw now own both the House and the Senate.

They're tribal.

DMT
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Jan 31, 2015 - 07:33am PT
why did 100% of Repubs in America vote in people

I'm a Republican and I didn't vote in any of those people.


rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Jan 31, 2015 - 08:09am PT
Right DMT. And endangered Polar Bears, blaming all adverse weather events on agw, the precautionary principle, "even if the science is wrong its still the right thing to do for the planet", and on and on and on aren't?
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