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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 6, 2014 - 10:33pm PT
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I don't know, it just sounds cool:
A central theme of the report is that vulnerabilities and impacts are issues beyond physical infrastructures themselves. The concern is with the value of services provided by infrastructures, where the true consequences of impacts and disruptions involve not only the costs associated with the cleanup, repair, and/or replacement of affected infrastructures but also economic, social, and environmental effects as supply chains are disrupted, economic activities are suspended, and/or social well-being is threatened.
Or as blahblah would say, "We're just not that worried, capiche?"
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 6, 2014 - 10:40pm PT
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Accurate Sierra Snow Survey Records do not go back past the mid 70's when snow sensors were distributed throughout the region.
I see your point, The Chief.
Or maybe I don't.
Does the amount of snowfall we get each year depend on how we record it?
Does our knowledge of past season's precipitation depend solely on survey records,
or do we have other ways to determine general precipitation levels?
The Chief, you're a smart man. I think you know the answers.
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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You are a patent agent? Do you really know anything about the patent process in corporations?
Here's a clue: The boss usually gets his name on the employee's patent because ... he's the boss. The boss doesn't have to invent sh#t. It's standard practice in many corporations for a manager to automatically be a co-inventor of any patents filed. . . .
Been a registered a patent attorney (nothing wrong with being an agent, but that's not what I am) since 1996. You would know that I'm an attorney and not an agent if you knew anything about PTO practice, as I also mentioned I work on trademark cases. (There are patent agents but not trademark agents, in the US.)
You don't need to give me "clues" related to patents and corporations; I've worked for an internationally prominent law firm since the late 90s.
If you work for a company where they put the boss's names on patents where he didn't make an inventive contribution, tell them they're doing it wrong and their patents will likely be found to be unenforceable if they're ever asserted.
I don't know what companies you work for or have worked for, but I know for a fact that Apple has reputable in-house and outside patent counsel that understand the legal requirements to be a named inventor on a patent application and the consequences (unenforceability) of fraudulently misstating inventorship. They also know how litigation works, where every named inventor will be deposed and every document related to the invention will be reviewed by law firms that will collect millions in fees in any significant patent suit.
I recall you're the guy who wrote the funny internal memo allegedly from the boss of a gun corporation that had Karl Baba badly fooled (he tried to verify the memo on, drum roll, Snopes!).
You may be able to fool Baba and some others (although maybe he's the only one you fooled), but your lecturing me on patents is one of the most of ridiculous ST moments I've been a part of. Congrats!
(By the way, I don't dispute that there is tendency for bosses to want their names to be included on patents. Skilled patent attorneys and agents shut that down if it's improper. Again, if that's not the way your company is doing it, they're doing it wrong. You can thank me for giving you some actually useful advice, or revert to your creative writing that fooled Baba, or whatever.)
Bringing this back to something even tangentially related to this thread, I explained why I consider Snopes' impartiality as a fact checker to be lacking--if you disagree and want to continue to use Snopes as your fact checker, knock yourself out.
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Why do you ask, Chief?
Is not 2013 the driest calendar year on record?
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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As in California recorded precipitation records.
Duh.
We broke the 1898 record by 4.6 inches.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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" i prefer to be a realist rick...", So Ed says.
Really professor? Then why don't you see the handwriting on the wall-the models have failed, the "consensus science" of CC is rightfully being challenged on all fronts,the globe is in a probable multi-decadal cooling phase,the public is growing increasingly aware and rejects the punitive taxation and regulation of the preferred mitigation scheme advanced by big green. Last year you acknowledged the probability of decreased CO2 sensitivity and advanced an idea of a role for the IPCC"s continued existence as a sort of regional long range climate service. As a AR5's release drew nearer you switched to this now common strategy, advanced by the climate hard core, denying the reality of the now 15 year long pause. Is this being a realist?
"the optimism there is that they can be worked on and figured out, but not just by wishing it to be".
Glad you recognize the role of optimism in formulating plans and perfecting techniques to deal with difficulties-any degree of success requires this,fantasy has nothing to do with what you or i have accomplished in life. Conversely, "wishing" the body of CAGW science to be correct rather than following contrary evidence, in light of its failures, is as negative of a fantasy as that that led to the Jonestown Koolaid party.
nice disclaimer.
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TomCochrane
Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
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well, NASA inadvertently triggered lightning by launching rockets with trails of burnt fuel products
sounding rockets trailing a wire have been used since the 1960s to study triggering lightning
http://www.aerospacelab-journal.org/sites/www.aerospacelab-journal.org/files/AL05-05_0.pdf
scientists have also triggered lightning by firing lasers into clouds
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/04/080416-lightning-lasers.html
so if you wanted to strike a target with lightning, perhaps it could be done by firing a laser beam down from a satellite through a pregnant cloud above the target site
or would it be possible to create a narrow beam ionized path through a storm cloud using a remote source such as we are discussing
is it a dumb question to ask if an 'ionospheric lens' could be used to redirect a particle beam weapon? (you may have technically already answered this)
it seems to me a more difficult challenge to manage heating a broad area of the atmosphere by triggering an energy release with a wide angle beam, but spraying trails of metal particles across a broad area of the upper atmosphere should make this easier...
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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28 Browns today. Most in the 14-16" range. Total this week, 137.
You know Browns don't normally live down there, right?
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 7, 2014 - 11:06am PT
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Somebody must have changed the oil in the Clown Car and filled the tank.
Sketch, I just re-read your post from earlier today and I find it genuine. As a singular post, I think the message is a good one ...
Too bad for us his the post wasn't singular.
Why Sketch, why?
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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The two companies I worked for where this was standard practice were Epson/America and Hewlett Packard.
I'll call Meg Whitman and tell her that blahblah says she is doing it wrong
I don't think they're doing it wrong--I don't think you understand what they're doing.
I checked PTO records--Meg Whitman isn't listed as an inventor on a single patent. This basically proves your contention is BS, but I imagine you can weasel your way out if you try. Heaven forbid someone admit they're wrong!
How's this--you check with any HP patent attorney and ask him or her if it's standard practice to put “the boss's names on patents where he didn't make an inventive contribution” (my exact words).
If the answer's yes, I'll make an $100 donation to the charity of your choice.
We can keep this going -- you can keep misstating patent law, and I can keep correcting you (and I can cite statutes, case law, legal treatises), but let's save some time and you just check with an HP attorney and report back.
(And I'm sure Epson/America and Hewlett Packard will be really happy that an employee or former employee is writing that they have a policy of committing fraud on the PTO and obtaining unenforceable patents.)
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 7, 2014 - 11:15am PT
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... if you disagree and want to continue to use Snopes as your fact checker, knock yourself out.
That got me curious. blahblah, who do you use as your fact checker? You seem to think the IPCC has it all wrong, so who's "facts" do you turn to?
Honest question.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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You defy all probability and reason chuff.
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dirtbag
climber
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Chief Pinocchio: still showing us why he is #1.
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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That got me curious. blahblah, who do you use as your fact checker? You seem to think the IPCC has it all wrong, so who's "facts" do you turn to?
Honest question.
Honest answer: I guess my primary source of factual information is The Economist (not that there's anything special about it--just seems to me to be a good, middle-of-road news weekly written for "the intelligent layman" --some of you may consider that disqualifies me as a reader). And lots of good ol' Internet surfing that I'm sure we all do.
The Economist broadly adopts the consensus view of climate change, and I have no particular reason to doubt it. It's also noted that those in the climate change business have a vested interest in "pumping up" climate change issues. When I've gently pointed that out (along with other things I've gleaned from the Economist and the world at large, such as deep problems with the scientific publication "peer review" process), you'd think I was a charter member of the Flat Earth Society, judging from the ST reaction.
Same when I pointed out that at least one respected thinker whose popular works I have read (Taleb) considers that there may be intractable problems in climate models (and I never even said I thought he was right--just that his views may be interesting)!
I actually think there's been a lot of good information on this thread and enjoy reading it, although the personal attack stuff (that I've sadly participated in I guess) is a very weird thing for middle-aged people to be doing.
This isn't an admission that I've been trolling on this thread--my comments on the Climategate affair were pretty much all genuine. That's kind of a stale issue at this point.
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TomCochrane
Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
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I actually think there's been a lot of good information on this thread and enjoy reading it, although the personal attack stuff (that I've sadly participated in I guess) is a very weird thing for middle-aged people to be doing.
you know what, folks,
this is a pretty important topic being discussed here, and we have an interesting range of viewpoints being presented
this is perhaps even more challenging intellectually than working together as rope teams to ascend a wall or perform a major rescue
i participate here out of the idea that climbers generally have experience working together on challenging projects
compulsive disrespectful noises don't reinforce that idea or encourage a positive estimation of our ability to work together to survive difficult circumstances
do you behave this way towards each other while working as a rope team on a wall?
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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me:
If you work for a company where they put the boss's names on patents where he didn't make an inventive contribution, tell them they're doing it wrong and their patents will likely be found to be unenforceable if they're ever asserted.
kos:
The two companies I worked for where this was standard practice were Epson/America and Hewlett Packard.
me:
How's this--you check with any HP patent attorney and ask him or her if it's standard practice to put “the boss's names on patents where he didn't make an inventive contribution” (my exact words).
If the answer's yes, I'll make an $100 donation to the charity of your choice.
Offer of $100 still stands. Just call an HP patent attorney and ask him or her if it's "standard practice" to "put the boss's names on patents where he didn't make an inventive contribution," as you wrote.
I can pick your posts apart all day (why is Jobs a named inventor on so many patents, but Meg isn't on a single one?), but this is getting tedious, and no one else probably cares. One thing I will give you (and as I already wrote, in so many words)--if what you're saying is something like "everyone steals office supplies," then yeah, there's an element of truth to that I suppose.
What's your patent, by the way? I took a quick look at USPTO records and didn't see any patents issued to someone having a first name of "Dave" or "David" and last name of "Kos." I may have just missed it for whatever reason.
A final (well nothing's final on the Internet) thought -- we all have a feeling that we understand the way the world works somewhat more than the other guy, due to all our unique and exciting life experiences. But you seem to suffer from this more than most!
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TomCochrane
Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
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Ninety (to ninety-nine) percent of this thread is back and forth between the climate nazis and the skeptical trolls. One big problem is no one calls out the sh#t-stirrers, who they generally agree with. It's all about going after the other side, while giving your guy a pass.
well it seems to me that those who already know everything have no reason to participate except perhaps to exercise their insecurity mechanisms to make self right by making others wrong (you might have expected experienced climbers to have had that ground out of them against the rocks)
then those of us that don't know everything might have some breathing room to share and learn
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raymond phule
climber
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Ninety (to ninety-nine) percent of this thread is back and forth between the climate nazis and the skeptical trolls.
Agree but why should anyone be nice to skeptical trolls or trolls in general?
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