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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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What climate "problems?" The climate has changed throughout Earth's history. There are no problems.
Until someone can formulate a 30 sec soundbite that clearly explains every aspect of Earth's climate/energy system and proves with absolute certainty that there is a "problem," there is NOTHING we can or should do.
And we certainly shouldn't impose economic hardship on BigCorps who innocently make billions from government subsidies of fossil fuels.
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Love it when the fools say no global warming for 17 years.
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Looks like quite a bit to me Sketch.
Do you know why we use trend lines?
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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You do have that right.
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Still looks like quite a bit of warming in GISS and Hadcrut, Sketch.
Maybe you can explain your point?
And of course, the difference is because GISS includes all the Arctic, and Hadcrut does not.
The Arctic has warmed much more rapidly during the 'pause' than the rest of the planet.
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Since you seem interested in Hadcrut, Sketch, here is the Hadcrut version.
Look like lots of warming to me even with that huge jump at the start of the 'pause'.
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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LOL, hadcrut3.
Come on Sketch, it's a brave new world. Work with the latest modern datasets.
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WBraun
climber
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The entire present day climate change is a product of an indirect and direct Geoengineering by stupid mankind .......
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Hey Sketch, how come your Hadcrut3 'pause' has a massive jump at the start?
Enough of this, off to climb.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Wow. You've got the sarcastic victim schtick down. Impressive.
I learned it by watching you. Whine some more about that bill of sale the Global Climate Cartel has been ramming down your throat.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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Good Answer.
Edit;You know it is all snark.
Climbers ,skiers,mountian folk have always been good at snark.
It is Comedy.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 6, 2014 - 08:25pm PT
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Man, did that ever burst my bubble.
All this time, I thought The Chief was instrumental in iventing the TCP/IP protocol.
Well what do you know, he didn't. But maybe we give him credit for inventing something. How TIP/C (a close relative of TCP/IP) a protocol that transmits a foul smell over fiber optics?
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 6, 2014 - 08:47pm PT
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Sketch
Trad climber
H-ville
Mar 6, 2014 - 07:03am PT
As of Tuesday, North America is covered by the third-highest amount of snow this late in the season since records began in 1966, according to NOAA's U.S. National Ice Center.
Only 1969 and 1978 had more snow cover at this point in the year, according to Sean Helfrich of NOAA's National Ice Center.
Oh Man! Look at what all that additional water in the air is doing!!!
Too bad Cali is suffering so with our drought.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Snow pack... totally normal.
Chuffer... totally normal and sooper smart.
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TomCochrane
Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
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you can see that there is a "blocking high" at a pressure of 1024 hPa, the low on the west side of that is around 965 hPa. For the purpose of estimating the pressure difference, take the average of the two, 994.5 hPa and subtract that from the high: 29.5 hPa
The area of the high is something like 10º x 10º a square of 1110 km x 1110 km. The atmospheric volume is 25 million cubic kilometers or 2.5E16 cubic meters. Multiply this by 2950 Pa (one hPa = 100 Pa) and you get 7.25E19 joules, that's the energy difference..
one joule per second is a watt. Let's take a gigawatt of power 1e9 watts, and divide it into the energy difference, we'd get 7.25e10 seconds, or roughly 3000 years of continuous energy input with 100% efficiency from source to image.
that would create a pressure difference of the "high" sitting off the California coast right now...
I don't think you can attribute that to HAARP.
Yes
it doesn't take a lot of calculations to notice that an antenna farm in Alaska won't directly create a significant atmospheric warming effect over a large area of the Pacific Ocean...but can it trigger this indirectly...
some of the literature about Nicola Tesla suggests that he used to watch lightning storms over the hills above his home in Croatia and began wondering whether all that energy could be captured and controlled
his research had a lot to do with tuning the frequencies of his equipment to those frequencies occurring naturally in the planet
the ISS crew has an incredible view of some of these energy releases
http://www.military.com/video/space-technology/space-stations/iss-captures-lightning-storm-of-the-us/1241818074001/
Around the world, lightning strikes the ground about 100 times each second, or 8 million times a day. https://www.nssl.noaa.gov/education/svrwx101/lightning/
it's not about whether HAARP generates the amounts of energy you are calculating
it's about whether HAARP can tune into and direct energies that are already present in the atmosphere
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Wow, thanks for the paleoclimate lesson genius. You so sooper smart!!!
Driest year in over 400 years... totally normal.
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WBraun
climber
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his research had a lot to do with tuning the frequencies of his equipment to those frequencies occurring naturally in the planet
Yes
These modern scientists know so little about harmonizing, especially at certain frequencies and their effects.
Tesla was a master genius.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 6, 2014 - 09:45pm PT
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The Chief, very cool page, thanks for sharing.
I plotted the last four years, without the min/max curves.
We've been getting heavy snowfall later in the year. You can see the massive Spring '11 snowfall.
A few years ago, we wondered if we'd have skiing at Badger by Oct. Now, News Years has been really dry the past few seasons.
So far, it's been much warmer when it's snowed this year--we have a really wet, heavy, slushy pack, and it starts pretty high up the mountain. I'm wondering if we're going to get another big March. If we do, I'm thinking it's going to come down with more rain than snow.
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TomCochrane
Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
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what is the trigger mechanism?
excellent line of questioning, Ed
so...what triggers a lightning strike...
...and where is the reservoir of energy released by it...
i think we know something about that
so next question: can this energy be released in the form of atmospheric heating over a wide area rather than strikes in a narrow area
some reports say HAARP claims both capabilities...for weather/military use
i've also heard experimenters have worked a long time to get it tuned and controllable
and note that the existence of nuclear weapons became a lot less secretive once they were developed and generally deployed...although certain details about their design architecture remain highly guarded...
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