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TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Sep 12, 2013 - 08:41pm PT
http://www.thepiratescove.us/2013/09/12/if-all-you-see-888/
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Sep 12, 2013 - 09:02pm PT
Why ,Dr. Fry, does going from drought to flood event constitute evidence of global warming? Why does every violent weather event have to be characterized by you guys as human induced effects of climate change and when we point out lack of climate change predicted extreme events we are just cherry picking weather instead of climate? Can you twist us up an explanation that doesn't involve your usual political b,s,?

Did you guys see Dr. F delete his post just now?
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Sep 12, 2013 - 09:12pm PT
Why ,Dr. Fry, does going from drought to flood event constitute evidence of global warming?

Good question. We all know single extreme events cannot be considered an indicator but at what point does a pattern of frequency / intensity change from the norm signal a changing climate?

You are full of BS..... er, sorry I mean data so has there been an observed change in frequency / intensity of weather events Rick?
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Sep 12, 2013 - 09:20pm PT
There has been a distinct decrease in the ratio of new cold temp daily records to new hot temp daily records this year, almost three to one. The tornado season, despite an early severe few, has been well below average, the hurricane season so far nonexistent. Yes, their have been several unusual flood events, at least two so far in N.A., but i'm unsure if the frequency is unusual. What is a trend, 5 years thus far, is severe mid to upper latitude northern hemisphere winters. If you didn't know better, you would think, Bruce, that the wet weather is indicative of the phase change to global cooling we have entered, eh?
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Sep 12, 2013 - 09:23pm PT
are you talking about just this year? Do you suggest a change in climate ( or not) can be determined by one year of observations?
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Sep 12, 2013 - 09:27pm PT
No, im talking five years in the case of severe northern winters. The single year weather events are a favorite for you guys to cherry pick as evidence, but when we do likewise you cry foul. Look Bruce, show me proof of higher frequency of extreme weather events predicted by global warming science-you can't unless their is a retroactive study.

There is a 1% chance of a hundred year event in any given year Craig. So are you saying the front range had back to back hundred year events?
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Sep 12, 2013 - 09:33pm PT
God Dr have you gone gay. I suggest you refrain from consuming the L.A. water buddy.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Sep 12, 2013 - 09:34pm PT
cool your jets Rick. I'm just asking questions and I don't have anything to show you. You mentioned "this year" and "Tornado season" which seems to indicate a single year, then you say something about "5 year trend". What is it 1 year or 5? Your the one full of ... data remember?

So to your knowledge going back lets say 20 years or so, whats the trend in fequencies / intensities?
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Sep 12, 2013 - 09:38pm PT
Well Bruce, for the first 4 or 5 of those twenty years, and for the decade before that, we were in a distinct warming trend. I defy you though to produce evidence of increased floods, twisters, or hurricanes consistently out of the range of normal during these last 20 years. Show us the irrefutable evidence.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Sep 12, 2013 - 09:48pm PT
Your a lying sack of shet Craig. Nobody here seriously believes you are not consistently deranged, nobody.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Sep 12, 2013 - 10:17pm PT
CRAIGFRYING
I'm still happily married.

As am I. WTF does that have to do with the fact that you're an extreme left wing whining hypocrite?

CRAIGFRYING
cross post to what?

Ah, let's see.... how about

Politics, God and Religion vs. Science
Why are Republicans Wrong about Everything?

Seems you have a distinct "hatred" towards anyone that believes in a personal god or is not a democrat.

1, 2, 3.....
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Sep 12, 2013 - 10:19pm PT
Read.http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/climate-information/extreme-events
Mad69Dog

Ice climber
Sep 12, 2013 - 10:20pm PT
"The 1894 flood devastated downtown Boulder with most of the current tracking down what is now Canyon Street. The eventual repeat flood of this magnitude may well cause hundreds of millions of dollars of damage."

I'm sure FFC caused that one too.

http://www.floodsafety.com/colorado/boulderhighhazardzone.htm
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Sep 12, 2013 - 10:26pm PT
WELBER:
READ>>>>

Here it is. Please show us anything that indicates a thing about a correlation between MMGW and Severe Weather events in the US. Please.

Extreme events such as heat waves, droughts, tornadoes, and hurricanes have affected the United States since the dawn of time. NCDC provides a variety of information detailing these events categorized by type of event.

U.S. Records
This tool lists and maps records tied or broken on a given date for weather stations across the 50 United States. Records are distinguished as daily (largest/smallest for that day on the calendar), monthly (largest/smallest value during that month) or all-time (largest/smallest value ever observed at that station). Summary information for recent periods (year-to-date, month-to-date, last 30 days) is provided in tabular format.

Climate Extremes Index
This index charts the occurrence of specific extreme events over time since 1910. In most cases, extreme events are defined as lying in the outermost (“most unusual”) ten percent of a place’s history. Analyses are available at the national and regional levels.

Billion-Dollar Disasters
The U.S. Billion-dollar Weather/Climate Disaster report provides readers with an aggregated loss perspective for major weather and climate events from 1980 to present. This report provides information such as economic loss, deaths and other impacts for numerous weather and climate disasters including: tropical cyclones, floods, droughts / heat waves, severe local storms (e.g., tornado, hail, straight-line wind damage), wildfires, crop freeze events and winter storms.

National Climate Extremes Committee
The National Climate Extremes Committee (NCEC) was established in 1997 to assess the merit of extreme events and provide a recommendation to NOAA management regarding the validity of related meteorological measurements. The NCEC is also responsible for disseminating NOAA's recommendation of the event and coordinating any media inquiries with the appropriate public affairs offices. The NCEC is chaired by a representative from NCDC, with additional representatives from the National Weather Service and the American Association of State Climatologists.

State Climate Extremes Committee
The State Climate Extremes Committee (SCEC) is an ad hoc committee established to evaluate the climatological records of individual states. The program was created in 2006 to provide a comprehensive evaluation of observations, which may have tied or exceeded existing statewide all-time record values. Climatic extremes are an important component of a location's climatology and are used for quality controlling meteorological observations, setting engineering limits, and helping authorities to develop climate-related safety plans, among other things.

Special Reports on Extreme Climate Events
Some significant climate events are subject to a deeper analysis than is possible on NCDC’s operational monitoring time scales. This section catalogs significant events beginning in the late 1990s and details specific storms or events including, but not limited to: hurricanes, droughts, wildfires and flooding.

Global Hazards
The Global Hazards report provides summary information related to notable and significant weather and climate events around the world. These reports often draw upon real-time information from external sources (international bodies, relief organizations, media reports), so they cannot be considered comprehensive and complete. When possible and appropriate, additional data and analysis is performed to provide stronger historical context for the reader.
International Best Track Archive for Climate Stewardship (IBTrACS)
IBTrACS provides tropical cyclone best track data in a centralized location to aid understanding of the distribution, frequency, and intensity of tropical cyclones worldwide.

Drought Monitoring
NCDC monitors and provides access to a host of drought-related information including the current U.S. Drought monitor map, the National Integrated Drought Information System Drought Portal, U.S. Palmer Drought Indices, the U.S. Standardized Precipitation Index, and U.S. State and Regional Precipitation Status.

Tornado Climatology
The U.S. tornado climatology page, which was developed in coordination with NOAA’s Storm Prediction Center, examines tornado activity across the United States on both the temporal and spatial scale. The contiguous United States is the most active tornado region in the world, with an average of 1,253 tornadoes occurring annually. The information and data included in the U.S. tornado climatology page serves as a baseline for comparison of current tornado activity against what has happened in the past, providing a complete historical perspective.

U.S. Snow Climatology
Here you can access snowfall and snow depth statistics for several thousand non-airport stations in the National Weather Service (NWS) Cooperative (COOP) Network across the contiguous U.S. and Alaska. These snow climatologies enable NOAA to better respond to user requests for snow information for use in economic and engineering decision-making, and provide the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) with an objective basis for declaring federal snow disasters.

Regional Snowfall Index
NCDC produces the Regional Snowfall Index (RSI) for significant snowstorms that impact the eastern two thirds of the United States. The RSI ranks snowstorm impacts on a scale from 1 to 5, similar to the Fujita scale for tornadoes or the Saffir-Simpson scale for hurricanes.

Northeast Snowfall Impact Scale
The Northeast Snowfall Impact Scale (NESIS) characterizes and ranks high-impact Northeast snowstorms. This index differs from other meteorological indices in that it uses population information in addition to meteorological measurements. Thus, NESIS gives an indication of a storm's societal impacts.

Severe Weather Data
Links to NCDC's severe weather data, which includes the Storm Events Database, the Severe Weather Data Inventory (SWDI), and the International Best Track Archive for Climate Stewardship (IBTrACS). These databases provide online access to files for storm and hurricane data in formats that include Shapefiles (for GIS), KMZ (for Google Earth), CSV (comma-separated), and XML.

North American Climate Extreme Monitoring (NACEM)
The NACEM product was developed to provide an accessible analysis tool to improve understanding of observed changes in extreme climate conditions by providing users the ability to examine trends and occurrences of certain types of extreme or threshold events at the station-by-station level. It currently provides data and analysis for eight indices that have been defined by the World Meteorological Organization (WMO) Commission for Climatology Expert Team on Climate Change Detection Monitoring and Indices. Additional indices will be added to the NACEM at a later time. The NACEM computes each available index at the station-level and provides corresponding anomalies, data permitting, with respect to the 1961–90 long-term average. An interactive map allows users to select a month, season, or specific year (from 1955 to present) to view a snapshot of values for a specific index across North America. There is also an option to view time series graphics for a station of interest by simply selecting the station.
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/climate-information/extreme-events


You smoking them Moose butthairs again thinking it's that Northern Lights stuff???
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Sep 12, 2013 - 10:27pm PT
Wilbeer the whole premise of records of extreme weather events is flawed. We didn't have the population in harms way, density of witnesses, nor the equipment to remotely document such events as much in the past. Of course such records would be skewed towards increased frequency in modern days. Whatever adjustments they might make for lack of data increasingly in the past would be untestable.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Sep 12, 2013 - 10:33pm PT
CRAIGFRYINGASS:
I would put a solar array on my roof to be used to power my electric car as soon as the Gov. gets off its right wing denailist ass and makes it affordable

You have got to be kidding me.

Blame the Gov't?? Whiner.

But at lease you substantiated my point of viable affordable alternatives for the masses. Thank you.


BTW CRYINGASS, I am 100% "the man" grid, water and sewer free. Paid for it all outta my pocket. No subsidies from any stinking gov't.

The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Sep 12, 2013 - 10:42pm PT
CRYINGASSDRF
we are talking billions of tons, not a measly drop in the f-ing bucket.

Ah!

Another one of them DO AS I SAY NOT AS I DO extreme leftist.

Wonderful. Simply Wonderful.


Bet you shop at Wal-Mart as well and 80% of the shet in your house is made in.... CHIIIIIIIIINA.


All them pots you plant all them succulents of yours in, made in ..... CHIIIIIINA.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Sep 12, 2013 - 10:44pm PT
So run along doctor. Go back to your imaginary world of government salvation. You aint going to win any converts here.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Sep 12, 2013 - 10:45pm PT
You on the other hand, just like Craig Fry, deem it necessary that in order for any scientist in this issue to be credible, that individual must be a professing atheist and a card carry democrat.


how do you figure that? You are one strange character. I raise a red flag about some wacko religious tools and you take the 300 yard leap to conclude I think they have to be card carrying atheists?

They can believe in the spaghetti monster for all i care. If however that requires via dogma that the scientific process of determining fact is legitimate only if it does not contradict said dogma then yeah, serious problem. A scientist is ethically required to conduct and determine science by the scientific process, no other.

You got a problem with that?

Good to hear it. So then you would agree that Roy Spencers signing of the Corn pounder Alliance Declaration of Ignorance and Magic is grounds for an accounting by him of how this does not contradict his professional ethics. He is after all denouncing the authority of the scientific process by signing it. No I'm not saying if found guilty he should be shot and burned but it would be a clear inditement of his judgement and thus his credibility. Maybe knowing this wouldn't "diss- bar" him from the fold but if combined with an obvious bias toward contrarian conclusions and demonstrable peer criticism of his work, you'd have to be an idiot to renew his contract.

Wouldn't you agree?
WBraun

climber
Sep 12, 2013 - 10:47pm PT
Dr F -- "I sure don't care what the F*#k you do, it's meaningless."

There it is .... hypocrisy.

One man can start a revolution.

But the modern scientist doesn't care ......

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