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The Chief

climber
From the Land Mongols under the Whites
Jul 29, 2013 - 06:57pm PT
You Mono can't comprehend that the "thick ice" was not ALWAYS there. This is nothing NEW.

It isn't call Climate CHANGE for nothing.

Climate CHANGE happens on Planet Earth. Has done so for billions of years. Remember that we live in a dynamic system OUT here. Not in an INDOOR GYM where you can control the lighting and temps to suite your whims and desires.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Jul 29, 2013 - 06:59pm PT
Sure, lets cause climate change and put us back to climates millions of years ago.

Are you claiming that the disappearing arctic ice is not a result of man caused warming?

Bogus paleo temp chart from the Chief coming soon.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jul 29, 2013 - 07:38pm PT
Hey Rick - getting back to mirrors for a second.... I take it that you agree that introspection and humility are valuable qualities for keeping the ego in check and assuring that a individual perspective is validated and tested against other perspectives and evidence. Yes?

I doubt an overabundance of the same would be useful in forming an independent informed opinion, but I'm sure you'll agree that there is no risk of that here. The opposite - an absence of introspection and humility - seems like the greater risk. Wouldn't you agree? There is no shortage of assertiveness here. Assertiveness minus the moderating rationalization of humility is not just beligerantly anti social bordering on bullying but it is the crucial ingredient for institutional bigotry and intransigent dogma enforced with will over reason.

I'm sure you would also agree that such a characteristic is morally abhorrent and is anathema to any kind of civil debate.

I suspect you think that some of us proponents of AGW theory stray occasionally into this "vile" territory as you have said as much. I think I could logically dispute that but what really interests me is this: If you were to cast your suspicion a bit further than a select few, can you think of anyone else who may be guilty of this?

Chuff for instance.

Do you think he provides evidence of humility and introspection to any discernible degree, without which one can only be accurately labeled an entrenched ideologue?

More than once someone has mentioned that this thread is nothing but a merry go round, which is largely true. That is because of the existence of factors that are off limits for discussion. The only elements of this debate that remain largely unexamined are the psychological forces that drive belief. I mean if it was pure logic, reason and evidence there would be no significant debate at all, at least as far as the natural sciences go. Problem is you deniers are too chicken sh#t to go there, other than to dismiss it as more elitist bafflegab.

What we have here is a fantastic specimen (Chuff) representing the most basic psychological drivers of denialism and he coughs up more evidence for it than even Sigmund freud would know what to do with.

But then come to think of it Rick, you produce a fair bit yourself, so maybe your the wrong guy to ask!

How about you Ron - wanna go there?



abrams

Sport climber
Jul 29, 2013 - 07:38pm PT
Kivalina. Why would they be living there?
On a shizzy sandbar! No boulders. No mountains to climb.
Surfing looks to suck also. Not our sort of dudes.

Maybe they'll develop some tech to stop the erosion that
can be transfered to help other gamblers that also built
their homes on quicksand.


The Chief

climber
From the Land Mongols under the Whites
Jul 29, 2013 - 09:21pm PT
ED:
ship it via an uncertain route?

Can't be all that uncertain if they have been utilizing it for over a century now. Hmm.


ED:

Amazing how unlike you and your croanies of insistent AGW Fatalistic whining, these individuals have taken the lead and adapted to the changes in their environment and are now going to capitalize on it. Maybe you all need to look closer at this example of perseverance and adaptation to over come what has been occurring on planet earth for billions of years... CHANGE. 30 plus years of crying AGW and you have nothing to show for it. Twenty or so years of implementing ingenuity and they will have a very lucrative and productive operation in place that will benefit their fellow human beings with clean burning fuel. Nat Gas.

But no. You all would rather stay in the problem and keep whining about what "may" happen in a hundred years or so. Then call it higher education. Nice.


Kivalina. Why would they be living there?

Odd that you say that. I counted a total of 68 wooden/sheet metal buildings in less than square mile or so in that photo. Please someone tell me how 400 something people live in 68 building on a tip of a peninsula. Or why one would want to remain in such a vulnerable location knowing that shet weather and storm surges are going to take it all away very soon. Time to do as their ancestors did many times in the past, pack up their shet and migrate to better hunting grounds for the preservation of the tribe. Seems modern PhD mentality has taken that option away from their traditional survival past.
command error

Trad climber
Colorado
Jul 29, 2013 - 09:48pm PT
So all that Chinese fly ash fallout onto the Arctic ocean has darkened it
and caused it to melt again, without any rise in temperature? Darn it!

Thank physics that most of the sunlight still gets reflected back into space from open water when the Sun is only a few degrees above the horizon. Also
the increased cloud cover may actually cause cooler the Arctic summers.



"the relationship between changes in sea ice and clouds, using satellite-derived sea ice concentration and cloud cover over the period 2000–2010. Results show that a 1% decrease in sea ice concentration leads to a 0.36–0.47% increase in cloud cover, suggesting that a further decline in sea ice cover will result in an even cloudier Arctic."

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/2012GL051251/abstract
The Chief

climber
From the Land Mongols under the Whites
Jul 29, 2013 - 09:56pm PT
This is Nature's true don't give a fly ratsass "Skeptic". It has been around for millions of years and adapts to changes in it's environment rather perfectly. The common human AGW Skeptic pretty much fits the mold and M.O.

Take heed AGW Utopians.


dirtbag

climber
Jul 29, 2013 - 10:00pm PT
^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^



Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine Basecamp
Jul 29, 2013 - 10:01pm PT
Whadufuk is ^^^ dat sh#t? Are you, like, 12?

Edit: @ Chump. Whadamaroon.
The Chief

climber
From the Land Mongols under the Whites
Jul 29, 2013 - 10:07pm PT
^^^ For once I agree JEEZCAKEBOMZBOY. Dirtbag does show her level of intelligence quite often. Nice. Too bad that in reality that is her on the bottom and her mate on top. Funny thing is, the dude on top must be you. Ha. Now who's the moron. JEEZCAKEBOMZBOY.
dirtbag

climber
Jul 29, 2013 - 10:14pm PT
^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^



The Chief

climber
From the Land Mongols under the Whites
Jul 30, 2013 - 05:40am PT
ED:

It "is" all in the steady and perfect course of Nature. Real Nature. Not some human devised computer model or statistic that claims it knows what Nature "may" or "can" do. More importantly ED, like the Wasp description I posted above, regardless what Science thinks, there are no "if's" in Nature. Just a simple and a very perfect "is". The Rule of Law that has been in place for Billions of years.

The difference between you Scientism PhD Utopians and us "Majority" that do not agree with your plan for man's future utopian lifestyle, we fully embrace and accept all that Nature delivers. All of it. You on the other hand, you think that you know how to attempt to manipulate and then control it. All to your advantage. When the reality of it all is, you never can nor will you ever be able to.


Science can learn much from the Wasp. It hasn't changed it's perfect design nor concept in over 200 Million years of existence. It has survived far worse changes on Earth than mankind could ever imagine.

NORTON:

Absolutely spot on. Work on mitigating the things which burden and lie directly in front of us today. The issues that are negatively impacting mankind today and that have been. NOT things that "may" occur tomorrow.

10-11 Million humans die annually from various forms of Cancer. 3-5 Million humans die annually from diseases stemming from poverty and malnutrition. We are running out room to house the massive growth of humanity.

Focus on fixing them issues. The REAL issues that have and do exist today. Not what the propaganda info fed computer states "may" be an issue some day in the distant future.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jul 30, 2013 - 05:45am PT
I f*#k sh#t UP, baby!



DMT
The Chief

climber
From the Land Mongols under the Whites
Jul 30, 2013 - 05:58am PT
WTF is that pussyass shet Dingus?

More like this:
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jul 30, 2013 - 06:01am PT
Naw, more like this


Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jul 30, 2013 - 06:12am PT
If I have to explain it its not very funny. Think I'll keep my chuckles.

DMT

ps. it also reminds me of Nature in the Haulbag,
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine Basecamp
Jul 30, 2013 - 06:46am PT
No, Chump, the Bomz was out jockeyed by Dirt, not in disagreement. But it would fit in with your delusional MO to believe otherwise.

I wouldn't trust these guys to man the temp controls on an easy bake oven!

The wasp?! Hahaha. At least he has properly filed himself as a pest.
The Chief

climber
From the Land Mongols under the Whites
Jul 30, 2013 - 07:09am PT
Here a perfect example of US Gov't proliferating itself, taking your tax dollars and doing absolutely NOTHING to remedy a potential threat/problem.

Here is what it does:

What is the National Climate Assessment (NCA)?

Assessments have been integral components of USGCRP since its inception. Along with its strategic role as coordinator of Federal global change research, USGCRP is required by the Global Change Research Act of 1990 to conduct a National Climate Assessment (NCA). The NCA is an important resource for understanding and communicating climate change science and impacts in the United States. The Assessment:

- Informs the nation about already observed changes, the current status of the climate, and anticipated trends for the future
- Integrates scientific information from multiple sources and sectors to highlight key findings and significant gaps in our knowledge
- Establishes consistent methods for evaluating climate impacts in the U.S. in the context of broader global change
- Provides input to Federal science priorities and are used by U.S. citizens, communities, and businesses as they create more sustainable and environmentally sound plans for the nation’s future.

http://www.globalchange.gov/what-we-do/assessment

This agency was established back in the 90's. It does absolutely nothing but "Assess". Proliferating the fatalism and inform the public that doom is coming. That only the Gov't and it's pack of scientist can and will save you and the nation from the clutches of the worst impending enemy threat known to the United States and the world.

That growing enemy threat? Mother Nature itself.

At the rate that this Agency is growing, it will over take The Department of Homeland Security as the protector of the Homeland within the next five or so years.


Unfkingbelievable.


BUT! ED H, DrFRY, Chiloe etal all are onboard with this Agency. They of course are employed and paid by one of the entities within it.


The wasp?! Hahaha. At least he has properly filed himself as a pest.

And that "pest" can and will fk your sorry dumb human ass up in a hearbeat. It will also continue to exist on this planet much longer than your measly self-centered spoiled ass ever will.

HA!
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jul 30, 2013 - 07:16am PT
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


Here a perfect example of US stupidity proliferating itself,


There, fixed it for you Honey Badger
dirtbag

climber
Jul 30, 2013 - 07:26am PT
Chief Running Mouth apparently never gets tired of making himself look stoopid.
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