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WBraun

climber
Jul 31, 2013 - 12:25pm PT
show us how you came to the conclusion that the science isn't settled

Modern science only sees and studies the gross physical plane.

It completely is oblivious to the subtle higher planes that control the material world.

This why they are stupid.

Modern science claims their so called great intelligence all while missing the root important truths to how the material world really functions.

Thus they are puffed up with their rubber stamped system of so called experts.

Fools they are ultimately in the final sense ......
Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Jul 31, 2013 - 12:29pm PT
having a phd after ones name in NOT an excuse for being a douchenozzle either.

I was this way long before I started grad school. The big difference is, I fully accept responsibility for being a douche bag. The chuff is a douche bag and blames everyone else. That is just sad.

FYI, I can teach you to spell/type if you want.


Modern science only sees and studies the gross physical plane.

Not true. I include a "spiritual constant" and "ephemeral energy parameter" in all my models and use observations of "water spirits" and "Earth chakra harmonics" for calibration.

This why they are stupid.

Exactly.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Jul 31, 2013 - 12:31pm PT
They guy who can't calculate 1% of 7 billion correctly and repeatedly confuses Antarctica surface mass balance with total mass balance tells us the science isn't settled. That's so precious.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jul 31, 2013 - 12:40pm PT
I don't have to admit anything, Norton. I certainly don't agree 'he gives as good as he gets.'

But his debate style and persona have nothing to do with my previous comment, which again, I offered without qualification.

Good day.
DMT
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Jul 31, 2013 - 01:09pm PT
Their are many commonalities amongst CAGW doomsayers and classification amongst their ranks. Recognition of this is key to curing their destructive malady. Bruce, here is your chance to exhibit some impartiality-do an examination of the CAGW pathology amongst it's true believers. If their disease can be successfully treated 99% of global warming will be mitigated. I'll start.

1. Most all live in rat race population centers.

2. Most are government employees

3. Most have few if any children

4. Most have had major disappointment in their careers

5. Most have no other religious beliefs

6. Most consider their intelligence level to be superior to the common man

7. Most identify their political leanings as either liberal or progressive socialist.

8. Most have no hesitation in hurling insults

9. Most are incapable of processing information counter to their beliefs

!0.Most are afraid for the future
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Jul 31, 2013 - 01:11pm PT
DMT,I will agree on those facts,but anyone who participates in racial/class conjecture,generalization,to the degree that the Chef does is no man.

I ,for one am totally happy with the fact that libertarians as he want to be on their own island.Yes happy that this may be his only public involvement.

Dont chase him away,he makes me feel better!

Cheers to you ,DMT

hey Dick,your list is much longer.
Malemute

Ice climber
the ghost
Jul 31, 2013 - 01:56pm PT
Too many MEN are åssholes.
It's nothing to be proud of.
Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Jul 31, 2013 - 02:17pm PT


(uh oh, someone is deleting posts... hoping it is Dick or Chuff)
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Jul 31, 2013 - 02:21pm PT
Sumner has been post deleting. (709->708)

He want's his team at the top of a page.
Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Jul 31, 2013 - 02:24pm PT
Makes sense. It must be hard to be wrong all the time. Better to just delete his ignorantly adamant posts and pretend he never said such stupid sh#t. I'm sure he will have no problem convincing himself he was right all along. Willful ignorance.

(mono, curious... how do you know 709->708? That was a long time ago. What other info do you have? IP addresses for the same person using multiple anonymous accounts? That could be interesting.)
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Jul 31, 2013 - 02:32pm PT
I saw it happen the first time, suspected it was Sumner, checked his post count and it was 709. When it happened again, it went to 708.
Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you
Jul 31, 2013 - 02:40pm PT
Spent the last few days hiking Cougar Creek in Canmore.
I had imagined the flood sloshing around but it acted more like a laser.


It's like a rain forest in Alberta right now and I've never seen such swings in weather and temps from day to day.

I'm left wondering when and where the next shoe will drop.

I don't think we have come close to seeing the perfect storm yet that combines all the possibilities of our new climate change world.
When it comes it is going to make all of us feel very small.



Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jul 31, 2013 - 04:03pm PT
Ok Rick. I feel I should encourage you in your first awkward foray into psychological drivers so I'll have a go.


First, for the sake of being a good sport, I'll consider these observations of yours with an assumption that there is actually a glimmer of truth to any of it....


1. Most all live in rat race population centers.
Well most actual people do so I'll give you that. So what anyway?

2. Most are government employees.
Let me guess - you hate government?

3. Most have few if any children .
Let me guess - you're Roman Catholic?

4. Most have had major disappointment in their careers.
Oh -is that all? Well if you have any ambition at all you're bound to get stung at some point. How about you? played it safe your whole life?

5. Most have no other religious beliefs.
Cute little dig. But anyway, so what?

6. Most consider their intelligence level to be superior to the common man.
Well if by "common man" you mean a person who holds firm opinions based on personal assessment in a field he has no skill or experience in all while discounting opinion of those who do then yeah, I suppose your right - they are infinitely and demonstrably smarter than that. So what?

7. Most identify their political leanings as either liberal or progressive socialist.
If you consider the fact that right wing is demonstrably anti science and obsessed with mythology then what other choice does a moral and intelligent person have? So What ?

8. Most have no hesitation in hurling insults.
Oh you poor sensitive child! Let me find your soo soo for you... there, now suck on it

9. Most are incapable of processing information counter to their beliefs.
And if your beliefs are grounded in reality, such as in this case the conclusions of science, then everything counter to that is pretty irrational so sure. So what?

!0.Most are afraid for the future.
If you lived in a trailer park and you watched an entire Hells Angels chapter set up a meth lab right next door, would a certain degree of concern register in your mind? Is that what you mean when you say "afraid"? Expand please.


OK, that is pretending that it is all true. Unfortunately (for you at least) the science of psychology is much like the science of climate study in that your "ideas" or "notions" are unworthy of any amount of contemplation unless you can demonstrate that they have become "theory". If you can cite statistics and credible and tested study that your observations are to any degree true or even relevant then you can move onto the issue that concerns you most yet you are too dimwitted or chickenshit to state in plain english....

So What?
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 31, 2013 - 05:31pm PT
A Congressional task force of representatives and climate experts convened on Tuesday, where they concluded that the worsening of wildfires devastating the U.S. is in fact due to climate change, an unprecedented statement for a government body.


Obviously this Congressional task force needs Ron Anderson to set them straight.

How on Earth could such a group overlook the very obvious, that a one degree rise in temperature does not effect the size and scope of wildfires.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jul 31, 2013 - 06:09pm PT
THAT IS the biggest croc of shyt ever. Tell congress the worst fires known in US history were before the industrial revolution..

Congress cant pass a budget.. They know jack about fires. JUST MORE PROPAGANDA.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 31, 2013 - 06:40pm PT
Thanks Ron for that refreshing glimpse back into reality.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jul 31, 2013 - 06:51pm PT
congressional "reps" OE Flunkys, met with Climate experts on the topic of wild fire - for which they know nothing as evidenced by the propaganda.
I could tell you WHY again, with exact proof , dates, facts, history and sciences involved. I can tell you exactly what .09 of 1 degree means in terms of wildfires.

Yes that .09 where applicable does have the TINIEST affect near invisible actually. What IS the problem is the hamstringing of the agencies in charge of our forests by the feds. That has led to a giant ass fuel load out there waiting to burn and the downed stuff only gets older drier and thicker.

ps,, i also told you long ago here that they would try this angle too. The fuel moisture content IS the driving factor of fire behavior and policies of rating the dangers.



Worst wild fires you ask? 1800s,,,1910,, 1922,25,, and many more. FAR worse than anything seen today- 3 MILLION acres at a time with 78 to thousands killed in one fire..




edit: and to trip you out totally,, get this: FUELS only dry to ZERO no matter the temps.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 31, 2013 - 06:53pm PT
Finally, some good news...


Aggressive energy efficiency efforts by households, companies and motorists led to the decline in carbon dioxide emissions from energy use in the United States, according to a recent report. The controversial finding contradicts recent studies that say the power sector's shift away from coal to cheap natural gas caused the bulk of reductions.

U.S. emissions last year fell by 205 million metric tons, or 4 percent, from 2011 levels. CO2 Scorecard Group, a small environmental research organization, says that nearly half the decline came from energy-saving measures such as retrofits and smarter appliances in homes and offices, as well as from Americans driving fewer miles, and using more fuel-efficient vehicles.


Source:
http://insideclimatenews.org/news/20130730/efficiency-drove-us-emissions-decline-not-natural-gas-study-says
Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Jul 31, 2013 - 07:16pm PT
I could tell you WHY again, with exact proof , dates, facts, history and sciences involved.

No you can't.

I can tell you exactly what .09 of 1 degree means in terms of wildfires.

You can't even tell me what a 1 degree increase means in terms of boiling water.

(^ sly thermodynamics reference)
The Chief

climber
From the Land Mongols under the Whites
Jul 31, 2013 - 11:58pm PT
KMAN:

This is the same Congress that has an overall Positive approval rating of less than 10%. The worst in the history of the US Congress. That definitely says tons for your BS AGW dogma.

That "Task Force" consisted of three Dems and Zero Reps. Stooge nutbag Henry Waxman led this parade of scare mania. Wow. Talk about lack of total credibility in their final assessment. Waxman IS NOT a scientist. He is a Career Politician with a BA in Political Science and JD Degree (fking lawyer) both from UCLA. He is the one making all the final opinionated comments.

This totally liberal bias "Congressional Task Force" invited no reps from the opposing side for any inputs. Clearly a one sided discussion. Typical of this entire AGW charade.
http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2013/07/31-4


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