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rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Sep 1, 2013 - 11:33am PT
Biogenic or abiogenic Base, the gas would accumulate in the same traps. Correct me if i'm wrong here, but isn't there abundant sources of methane and other components in natural gas in the makeup of the gas giant planets, doesn't one of the moons of Saturn have an atmosphere composed primarily of methane? Isn't the natural gases a very significant component of the primordial stew that this second generation solar system was formed from? Are these primordial gases biogenic, leftovers from previous systems with carbon based life? You didn't answer my question about the surface radiation of the Earth from it's core. What happens to this "heat", if it doesn't heat the ocean depths does it then percolate to the surface through the fizz of excited CO2 molecules? Why doesn't the ocean depths act like the greenhouse they say the atmosphere with GHG's act like?

Hey, i've never accused you of being a marxist. You and your fellow scientists, technicians, workers, and management are vilified by the enviro's for providing the fuels that make our modern life possible. I just think that you are conflicted by your naturalist beliefs and what you percieve as it's loss to the ever increasing technological complexities of this modern world, made possible largely through the efforts of your industry. John Muir with a jackhammer syndrome.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Sep 1, 2013 - 11:47am PT
Nah, Fortmental- The Chief is younger than me, he would have left H.S. for the Navy during my single college year. He is teaching me now how to turn the tables on the CAGW crowd and their personal attack programs. Base did say that natural gas was primarily biogenic, which leaves the door open to an unknown quantity of primordial gas. Of course, no one i know of is suggesting any other source for crude oil other than biogenic.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Sep 1, 2013 - 11:49am PT
Hey Dick,take a Geology class or five,will you.
Yeah the gas is left over from a previous event,How?
Did you learn that at a creationism website/church?

Tell me how that methane [one the lightest gases known] is trapped in rock a mile down in the earth.

I do thank Base for finding NG,it will be used as a bridge to the next alt/tech is implemented.

As for you deniers,no need to step aside when you are moving backwards.FAST.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Sep 1, 2013 - 12:00pm PT
No, Wilbeer, i learned what i know from my wife who is a geologist and another 3 freinds who are practicing geologists. Why, Wilbeer are you working in construction instead of your field of geology when their is so much demand in the geology field. By the way, with the huge increase of new science publication contrary to CAGW and the ever increasing contrary observational evidence it is the AGW crowd furiously backpedaling. I'm just here helping, in my tiny efforts, to see that CAGW has a merciful death. You know, compassion and all.
Spitzer

climber
Sep 1, 2013 - 12:33pm PT
Now about the 0.8 watts per meter from the Earths core that is released globally, what happens to it, what effects does it have, and why are the ocean deeps universally 3-4 degrees centigrade all over the globe? If this constant radiation from the Earth's interior doesn't heat up the oceans depths how can atmospheric radiation sink and build up in the ocean depths?

rick sumner you have the wrong number from the wrong blog. You're off by an order of magnitude. If you did the math you'd find that it would take on the order of 10,000 years to heat the volume of water in the world's oceans just 1 degree Celsius.
Ricky

climber
Sometimes LA
Sep 1, 2013 - 12:48pm PT
[ ] during my single college year. He is teaching me now [ ].

Good summary.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Sep 1, 2013 - 01:32pm PT
Dick,there has been no need for geologists here in the NE ,That is till lately.
I have lived out west twice,and i am staying put.That said ,i have had two interviews this summer to work as a geo in PA.
I have worked as a carpenter since 76,The trade put me through college,and continues to be fruitful to this day.[minus a few blips]
And at 55,I just applied to Cornell.

I will die someday,but science will live.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Sep 1, 2013 - 01:45pm PT
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-23916217
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Sep 1, 2013 - 02:48pm PT
Spitzer = MONO = TOTAL TARD HYPOCRITE.


Frontalobotome:

CROWLEY LAKE????? Just another example of how your continued meth over indulgence has totally fried what ever blue muscle matter you once had between them uncleaned caveman wax packed ears of yours.

Haven't lived in Crowley for over two years dude. I bought and now have a fully self-reliant home north of Bishop.

Which UNLIKE YOUR HYPOCRITICAL NEO MARXISTS UTOPIAN CITY DWELLING ASS, IS NOT dependent on any Electric, Water nor Sewage Co's.


John Muir with a jackhammer syndrome.

Now that was fking CLASSIC and oh soooooooooo true!!!

Good one RICK!



TGT

We humans caused that unusually cold spell in Peru. C'mon. The science says so. Get with it.

The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Sep 1, 2013 - 03:29pm PT
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Cus I can't stand being dependent on fuktard hypocritical Neo Marxists scientist & PhD's that work for the "MAN" during the day. Then cry save the world at night.

They are a dependable as... your memory.

Freeloaders of the American Government

So it is safe to assume that when you are 65, you WILL NOT collect your SS. Right Frontalobotome???



BASE:

Nothing personal but dude, you seriously need to think about what you post here. Look at the first part of this post and think about it.

You indeed are one of the key hypocrites here. To even state you are not just exemplifies the total denial of reality that exists amongst so many of you Alarmists.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Sep 1, 2013 - 04:43pm PT
Mammoth, Frontalobotome???

Dude. I live no where near that fuktard extension of LA town that is run by the most how not to run a city budget ignorant boneheads on planet earth. Talk about a group of people WITHOUT a clue.

Bishop... idiot. Bishop. How did you get Mammoth outta Bishop?

Oh, my bad. The meth. Forgot.

Been to the dentist lately? Cus it appears the little brain matter you do have is running outta the holes in your jaw from that obvious case of meth mouth you have.

F-150??? Duuuuuuuuude. Get with the deal. You are soooooooooooo lost in that cave of yours.
BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
Sep 1, 2013 - 04:53pm PT
BB, Petroleum Geologists have the planet totally dialed. The late Mesozoic greenhouse event happened, and it happened due to high CO2. We even know how high the CO2 levels got, but I assume you won't Google it up for yourself and see. Rocks contain an incredible amount of info if you look.

That's all I said. Don't paint me as a member of any CAMP. I am a free agent.

As for TC, when he would come over and post on a thread, I would leave. That is exactly what I am going to do now with this thread. It isn't a nice place for an exchange of knowledge and ideas. It is the outhouse of supertopo, a place for rigid dogma and people who do not consider the ideas of others. It is an insult factory.

I bet that none of you google "cretaceous greenhouse."

If you do type that, you won't be taken to many of the typical global warming websites. You will find a lot of papers by geologists. Good papers.

We have known about that climate event for a couple of decades. Depositional environments of potential oil and gas reservoir rocks depend on climate to a degree. The organic rich shales which source all hydrocarbon basins are also intensely studied. They all required anoxic conditions. Those shales are the ones being fracked now.

Almost all of this work was done by petroleum geologists, or at least sedimentary geologists and petrologists. Not igneous petrologists so much.

And yeah, I do feel like a coca farmer for a bunch of coke heads when it comes to fossil fuels. I am pretty resigned about the whole thing. Nobody will do anything, because we can't do anything. It is going to happen if we get our CO2 up to 1000 ppm and also get a methane spike.

We will all be dead before anything really bad happens, most likely.



The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Sep 1, 2013 - 04:57pm PT
BASE:
We will all be dead before anything really bad happens, most likely.

BINGO!!!!

And when it does, it surely will not be the first nor the last time for this planet. You of all people BASE know that to be for a fact.
BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
Sep 1, 2013 - 04:58pm PT
Before I go,

The Chief called me a Marxist, and I discussed all of the people I put to work, and the wealth that I create. He didn't realize what I did for a living, but it is common knowledge among most people around here.

I asked him flat out if he had created a dime of wealth or if he gets his paychecks from the U.S. Treasury.

He didn't answer that one. I wish he would.

Also, Doug was instrumental in stopping the use of pitons. He never said a peep about bolts. I clipped bolts with him when I was about 18. They were on trad climbs, but there were bolts.

You will never meet a nicer person.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Sep 1, 2013 - 05:12pm PT
BASE:

After a 24.6 year career as an active combat member of our military, with over six different pieces of shrapnel and several small chunks of a 40mm grenade round still in my body, I surely believe I am entitled to my retirement pay from the DOD and Compensation from the VA.

Also, Doug was instrumental in stopping the use of pitons. He never said a peep about bolts.

You best reread that article dude. Cus he totally dis'd BOLT's yet allowed the use of PINS to a minimal. He even indicates at the end of article how pitons are the best.

Here, let me help you BASE:

http://climbaz.com/chouinard72/graphics/page24.JPG

http://climbaz.com/chouinard72/ch_page24.html


Besides, your logic in stating he disdained pins and not bolts makes NO sense.

He and I discuss this on occasion btw. Can't be for one and not the other. We both agree that both have their place in climbing. But in moderation.
BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
Sep 1, 2013 - 05:20pm PT
I am waiting to see if TC has ever created a dime of wealth in his life.

I'll tell you a funny story.

I found a big gas field back in the late nineties. It was very shallow, and they could be drilled very cheaply with air rigs. I sent the maps to one of my best friends, also a geologist, and he got bonded with the state to be the operator of the wells. I have no head for accounting, so I handled most of the geology.

One time I was driving through the area with a meteorologist buddy of mine, and I had him pull off and drive to a new well that we had just drilled. It wasn't hooked up to the sales line yet, and was hooked up to a 30 foot steel flowline.

I cracked the choke just a tiny bit and lit the end with a burning piece of paper. This was all over the pit, so no biggie. Then I turned the pipe straight up and opened the valve all of the way. You can't do it too fast, or the flame will blow itself out.

When it is wide open, there is about a 30 foot screaming flame pointing to the sky. It blew my buddy away. Then I turned the valve off. We had done this trick before on occasion.

Anyway, the roar woke up the farmer down the road and he came by to see what the hell we were doing. It was all pretty funny.

You would have to be see that to realize the power in the earth. And yeah, the gas burned might have been worth ten bucks at 3.50/mcf. Gas is cheap. By the time it gets to your burner tip, it about triples in cost.

Our gas had about 3 gallons of propane per mcf. We don't get paid much for that at all. The big pipeline companies strip out the liquids and your burner only sees the pure methane. Ethane, Butane, and Propane all come from natural gas.
BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
Sep 1, 2013 - 05:32pm PT
I just got the link to the American Association of Petroleum Geologists' monthly rag. They have a formal publication for peer reviewed stuff, and this one is just the newsletter.

Check it out.

http://aapg.informz.net/aapg/archives/archive_3455506.html
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Sep 1, 2013 - 05:34pm PT
BTW BASE:

The addition of Ethanol to reg and premium gas sucks big asses. It totally depletes the performance value of 89-91 octane. It is also terrible for injectors fuel filters and fuel lines. Corrodes em to death.

WTF is up with that shet being added into the fuel. Clean burning but depleting performance. Thus more is used.


That is why these dudes burn 100% Racing Alcohol Mixture!! Some true badasses here I tell ya! I honestly do not think that any of the millions of folks throughout the world that are fans and participants of any Motorsport discipline, really thinks about let alone gives a ratass about AGW. Really now. They are the CONSENSUS.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Sep 1, 2013 - 07:20pm PT
Chef,did you know that racing alcohol is ethanol,those motors are temporary because of it.

Ethanol was introduced way back,it helps farmers and burns cleaner,helping our air quality.Side effects include advanced corrosion.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Sep 1, 2013 - 07:32pm PT
Yes I know. That was my point.

You can not mix 89-91% Octane gasoline and ethanol and expect the same results as the folks that use straight up 100% Alcohol. The two combined create a very corrosive mixture that eats seals, injectors and jets etc due to the oxygenation of the ethanol produces.

A major problem is Phase Separation created when water gets into the fuel causing the water/ethanol mixture to sink to the bottom of the tank where the fuel pick-up is. Engines cannot run on an alcohol/water blend and will seize. Two cycle engines particularly have this problem since the proper lubricant will not be present in the gasoline. While a properly formulated additive may prevent the separation by removing excess water, it will not cure the problem once it exists.

The best defense is to keep the tank as full as possible. Moisture condenses in
the empty space in the tank, so reducing the amount of air in the tank reduces
the amount of water that can enter. Ethanol can etch aluminum, magnesium and die-case zinc causing fuel injectors to plug and/or damage pistons and fuel pumps.
http://www.goldeagle.com/.../Ethanol%20411/Ethanol%20--%20The%20Good...‎;

These two are a good remedy for that issue:


and



One or the other.

May burn "cleaner" but totally fuks up the performance when mixed with 89-91 octane gasoline. It is not as corrosive when mixed with less refined diesel due to the higher lubrication values in diesel mixtures.


Those motors are not temporary. Trust me. Some are over 20 plus years old. Granted they are totally taken down, cleaned and reassembled often. Not because of the corrosion due to ethanol. Rather the intense high and extreme variations in RPMs etc.

BTW: Ethanol was Ford's first fuel of choice when this automobile thing first got going.
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