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Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Dec 24, 2013 - 10:26am PT
the chump is just like lois, so desperate for attention that even abuse is better than nothing.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Dec 24, 2013 - 10:36am PT
Just wondering, Sketch. We were talking about surface temps, then you pop up with lower troposphere. Hard to see what your point was. Maybe you can elaborate?
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 24, 2013 - 10:44am PT
Mr. Nye's experiment illuminates the containers of gas with a light closer to the temperature of the Earth than the temperature of the Sun, and the increased temperatures are due to the direct absorption of the light, presumably, by the CO₂. The cartoon of the balls is also misleading, as some of the reradiated light from the atmosphere goes off into space, some of it goes back to the Earth's surface. All the balls in that cartoon that are emitted by the Earth are redirected back to the Earth. The concept of energy balance and thermodynamic equilibrium is missing.

You can find this website useful for accurate demonstrations:

http://www.climatechangeeducation.org/

Thanks Ed, that was enlightening. But what's even more cool is how you get the subscripts... How do he do that?



@Sketch,

I couldn't find were the "millions in dark money" was shown to support denial efforts.

The reason you didn't find it is because you didn't read the study, Institutionalizing delay: foundation funding and the creation of U.S. climate change counter-movement organizations. The news article I posted has a link to it at the top of the second paragraph.

But not to worry, I wouldn't have seen it either if I didn't read the study.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Dec 24, 2013 - 10:53am PT
Just trying to figure out your definition of the 'pause' Sketch.

It's hilarious you see a 'pause' in the UAH data.

So why does the 'pause' start well above the trend line, Sketch?

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wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Dec 24, 2013 - 11:16am PT
No proof here ,maybe ,just maybe,their secret is good.

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Heartland_Institute#Secrecy_on_funding_sources
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Dec 24, 2013 - 11:28am PT
Sure, your RSS and UAH charts had nothing at all to do with the 'pause'.

Whatever you say, Sketch.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Dec 24, 2013 - 11:36am PT
Pause smauze- lets call ths much ballyhooed (Chiloes favorite phrase) trend in all the major purveyors of global temp data what it really is, the start of a multi decade cooling as a result of a quasi periodic quiet sun cycle. The scientific community that is still doing real science as opposed desperate propogandizing are well aware of this. Too bad Ed doesn't have any a real scientists to argue this with. I guess they just don't consider him seriously. Instead he's engaged in school yard bullying in back water blog spots with the likes of characters like screaming Mimi. All pretty pathetic. The climate has changed and the utopian dream is slipping away.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Dec 24, 2013 - 11:41am PT
You don't mind if I post a graph showing how silly the 'pause' in your graphs are.

They do show a 'pause', right?
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Dec 24, 2013 - 11:43am PT
Thanks for the opportunity to debunk the 'pause', Sketch.

Much appreciated.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Dec 24, 2013 - 11:44am PT
Already did.

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monolith

climber
SF bay area
Dec 24, 2013 - 11:52am PT
It means you have to ignore about a decade's worth of warming to start the 'pause'
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Dec 24, 2013 - 11:55am PT
Comedy
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Dec 24, 2013 - 11:58am PT
Not at all, Sketch. The jump from the trend line happened in 97.

If you want, we can start the 'pause' in 2008.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Dec 24, 2013 - 12:01pm PT
From a statistical point of view, I don't see a 'pause'.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Dec 24, 2013 - 12:02pm PT
And no, we have not had a 'pause' in global warming.

Credit: monolith
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Dec 24, 2013 - 12:05pm PT
Enjoy your cherries.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Dec 24, 2013 - 12:17pm PT
Each 'pause' higher than the last.

monolith

climber
SF bay area
Dec 24, 2013 - 12:20pm PT
And we don't buy the 'pause' either.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Dec 24, 2013 - 12:26pm PT
Yes your right Ed, we haven't had a pause, instead we should call it a phase change to a cooling climate. You are well aware of the change in Enso to a period of reduced El Ninos and more and/or longer La Ninas, the cool phase of the PDO, the AMO at plateau or decline, the lack of significant volcanic aerosols, the slowdown of the MOC, and most importantlty the change to a distinct quiet sun phase. Seems the oceans have given up the heat just to keep us in something resembing what you call the pause.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Dec 24, 2013 - 12:35pm PT
Don't those blogs just piss you off Ed? Wonderful resources with many serious scientists posting real climate science for public consumption. Im On a cell phone but somebody should repost the excellent article by Dr Gray.
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