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Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Dec 21, 2013 - 07:05pm PT
You scientist are truly comical.

sums it quite succinctly.
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Dec 21, 2013 - 07:17pm PT
What are the defining characteristics of scientists?

They're smart & they enjoy their work. And they increase our knowledge.

I figure anybody that badmouths scientists is a dumbshit with a crappy job.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Dec 21, 2013 - 09:38pm PT
Not that there is any current climate problems as a result of Anthro CO2, but perhaps with a bit of bio-genetic engineering the depleted fields can be filled with the mythical molecule and new strains of bugs to consume it in situ to create renewable fields of petro products. I know, pie in the sky, but no more far fetched than the sky is falling scenarios out of alarmists.

EDIT: Getting a bit nasty now, aren't you Wilbeer? Merry Christmas and Happy New Year.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Dec 21, 2013 - 09:45pm PT
The ONLY place you read that the sky is falling is on that Heartland Institute website,Rick.

"I work on motorcycles and teach people how to climb"

You must be spectacular at both seeing how you are on this thread 10 to 20 times daily.

Edit:
At least you seem optimistic about that pie in the sky,Merry Christmas to you and yours as well.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Dec 22, 2013 - 12:14am PT
The diesel is not in her yet old retired man.

Snowblower?Heck I have only had to shovel 6 times in the 12 years since I built my house.Broom is more like it.

Thats right,shovel,6 times,12 years.

Keep trying?

Trying what?To piss off some polock.

You seem to have your anger under control,not.

monolith

climber
SF bay area
Dec 22, 2013 - 12:27am PT
Mark my words... the SIERRA will have 20-40% above avg AVG snowfall this season.

The Chief, October 5, 2013.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Dec 22, 2013 - 12:33am PT
He will deny that.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Dec 22, 2013 - 12:37am PT
http://cdec.water.ca.gov/cdecapp/snowapp/sweq.action

LOL, we are at 26% normal for this date.

Last year we were at 95% for this date and still had a poor snow year.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Dec 22, 2013 - 12:42am PT
Thing is ,it is not really funny.

Wish we could lend you some,4 inches of rain today.
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Dec 22, 2013 - 01:43am PT
Thanks Rick. obviously your'e on board with The zeroth law of thermodynamics may be stated in the following form:
If two systems are both in thermal equilibrium with a third then they are in thermal equilibrium with each other.[1]
The law is intended to allow the existence of an empirical parameter, the temperature, as a property of a system such that systems in thermal equilibrium with each other have the same temperature. The law as stated here is compatible with the use of a particular physical body, for example a mass of gas, to match temperatures of other bodies, but does not justify regarding temperature as a quantity that can be measured on a scale of real numbers.
Though this version of the law is one of the more commonly stated, it is only one of a diversity of statements that are labeled as "the zeroth law" by competent writers. Some statements go further so as to supply the important physical fact that temperature is one-dimensional, that one can conceptually arrange bodies in real number sequence from colder to hotter.[9][10][11] Perhaps there exists no unique "best possible statement" of the "zeroth law", because there is in the literature a range of formulations of the principles of thermodynamics, each of which call for their respectively appropriate versions of the law.
Although these concepts of temperature and of thermal equilibrium are fundamental to thermodynamics and were clearly stated in the nineteenth century, the desire to explicitly number the above law was not widely felt until Fowler and Guggenheim did so in the 1930s, long after the first, second, and third law were already widely understood and recognized. Hence it was numbered the zeroth law. The importance of the law as a foundation to the earlier laws is that it allows the definition of temperature in a non-circular way without reference to entropy, its conjugate variable. Such a temperature definition is said to be 'empirical'.[12][13][14][15][16][17]
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
U.N. Ambassador, Crackistan
Dec 22, 2013 - 10:35am PT
I do think the articles I read about science in casual reading periodicals are tainted. I think the same about any technical subject - even good journalists muff up subject matter when they lack a deep understanding.

I think there is a lot of grandstanding too. I think there has been some near-hysterical grandstanding that has undermined the genuine science done with climate change.

I don't put a lot of stock in what I read in the paper, all by itself.

That said? I put a lot of stock in science. Even though I think science combined with greed and technology, stands a good chance at wiping out a large chunks of life on the planet.

Climate change is likely one of those mechanisms...

We humans know we need to clean up our act. I'm glad we're doing the science, which is both real and self-correcting. We'll get there. We've come so far.

A lot of Americans are pretty damn stupid and selfish. I am too, in my fashion. But I'm not willing to throw out the baby science with the bathwater of lousy reporting and hysterical fund raising.

I'll stick with science.

DMT


DMT
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Dec 22, 2013 - 10:45am PT
Myself as well.

Deniers ,you keep on yammering about the few uncertainties,and,be sure not to highlight ANY of the MANY absolutes,proven by




SCIENCE!

Way to be honest about your existence.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Dec 22, 2013 - 11:04am PT
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Dec 22, 2013 - 11:28am PT
Wilbeer says - "you keep yammering on about the few uncertainties".

Wilbeer the climate system of Earth is hugely complex, with a multitude of variables, many, many far exceeding the meager effect of the minor increase in atmospheric CO2. Reality is so far beyond the simplistic flat Earth represented in the "Blessed Models"that one would think they are talking about different universes, which they are. For us lay persons there are some excellent presentations and discussions that can give a glimmer of the wrong track the CAGW crowd is on with their constant yammering about "CO2 Supreme". Take the lead article entitled The Magnificent Climate Heat Engine linked below for instance.

http://wattsupwiththat.com
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Dec 22, 2013 - 11:29am PT
Another good study, from Stefan Rahmstorf.

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2013/12/the-global-temperature-jigsaw/
BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
Dec 22, 2013 - 11:32am PT
What to give The Chief for Christmas?

First, a brain:

Credit: BASE104

A calculator:

Credit: BASE104

An education:

http://www.phoenix.edu/

Lessons on how to treat people:

Credit: BASE104
BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
Dec 22, 2013 - 11:38am PT
Wow. You responded in less than 60 seconds. Is this what you do every day of your life? Log on to this thread and make thirty posts per day?

You are a pitiful and mean person. Truly.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Dec 22, 2013 - 11:38am PT
I see Base is not only generous in the Christmas spirit, but is in good humor with holiday cheer.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Dec 22, 2013 - 12:00pm PT
http://www.thepiratescove.us/2013/12/20/if-all-you-see-986/
cliffhanger

Trad climber
California
Dec 22, 2013 - 12:47pm PT
Here's an article about how bad it could get:

Are We Falling Off the Climate Precipice? Scientists Consider Extinction

http://truth-out.org/news/item/20686-are-we-falling-off-the-climate-precipice-scientists-consider-extinction

excerpt: "climate change -- and just how bad it might be came home to me in the summer of 2010. I was climbing Mount Rainier in Washington State, taking the same route I had used in a 1994 ascent. Instead of experiencing the metal tips of the crampons attached to my boots crunching into the ice of a glacier, I was aware that, at high altitudes, they were still scraping against exposed volcanic rock. In the pre-dawn night, sparks shot from my steps.

The route had changed dramatically enough to stun me. I paused at one point to glance down the steep cliffs at a glacier bathed in soft moonlight 100 meters below. It took my breath away when I realized that I was looking at what was left of the enormous glacier Iíd climbed in 1994, the one that -- right at this spot -- had left those crampons crunching on ice. I stopped in my tracks, breathing the rarefied air of such altitudes, my mind working hard to grasp the climate-change-induced drama that had unfolded since I was last at that spot.

I havenít returned to Mount Rainier to see just how much further that glacier has receded in the last few years, but recently I went on a search to find out just how bad it might turn out to be. I discovered a set of perfectly serious scientists -- not the majority of all climate scientists by any means, but thoughtful outliers -- who suggest that it isnít just really, really bad; itís catastrophic. Some of them even think that, if the record ongoing releases of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere, thanks to the burning of fossil fuels, are aided and abetted by massive releases of methane, an even more powerful greenhouse gas, life as we humans have known it might be at an end on this planet. They fear that we may be at -- and over -- a climate change precipice hair-raisingly quickly."
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