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Dr. F.

Boulder climber
SoCal
Jul 26, 2013 - 07:34pm PT
but the more i learn about this field, all the incredibly complex mechanisms working through and in concert with life to sustain life on this planet, the closer i come to sensing a god or all powerful directing force.
rick
so this makes you a better judge of what's going, a feeling you have with god
Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Jul 26, 2013 - 07:46pm PT
I believe that posting a picture of a bird and water and claiming that it is at 87 degrees latitude, when it is IN FACT ONLY 87 DEGREES latitude, invalidates all climate science and proves beyond reason (far, far beyond reason) that anthropogenic climate change is an elaborate hoax.
Dr. F.

Boulder climber
SoCal
Jul 26, 2013 - 07:49pm PT
hey rick !!
what if there is no god, then what?
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Jul 26, 2013 - 07:50pm PT
Rick has been fed, I think, the talking point that NPEO webcam 2 is not exactly at the North Pole, but has drifted some degrees south in the direction of Fram Strait. It's the diamond at the end of the squiggly green line in this photo, now at about 85N:



It probably was not given with Rick's talking point that the webcam is nevertheless drifting in *relatively* thick ice, close to what satellite measurements are still showing as one of the last major 100% sea ice concentrations in the Arctic Ocean, according to today's map from Uni Bremen. Dark purple here represents 100% ice, lighter purple down to about 85%, yellow in the 70s and so forth. The ice is solid almost nowhere.



Original source, with other graphs and maps, here:
http://www.iup.uni-bremen.de:8084/ssmis/index.html
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jul 26, 2013 - 07:53pm PT
... i have never previously been a religious man but the more i learn about this field, all the incredibly complex mechanisms working through and in concert with life to sustain life on this planet, the closer i come to sensing a god or all powerful directing force...

Awesome! I couldn't have anticipated this ... but this is the thread that keeps on giving.

Don't worry Rick, you're not the first to flip for God when confronted with the complexity of nature and you won't be the last either. But now that you've found religion how about my morality challenge?
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jul 26, 2013 - 07:54pm PT
Yes ed, I see books being written now by "experts" . (Expert being that they once wrote about a fire long ago and now will again) These guys are comparing the recent wildfires with climate change claiming some quite fantastically WRONG info from the gitter go.


Hyperbole terms such as "super fires" which is GREAT to nab extra funding for the various fore shops. How ever, the 1800s were the worst fires we know about followed by the early 1900s.. So again the CC crowd attempts to throw fuel to their fire that is based on some strong nonsense.
The Chief

climber
From the Land Mongols under the Whites
Jul 26, 2013 - 07:59pm PT
Fact is Scientism Ph.D Utopians, the more you post up your fatalistic fallacies, the more you confirm your dogma and ideology. Your ignorance continues.

This is NOT the first time, nor the last time all this has occurred boys and girls. Get over your humanism and come to terms with that reality.

More and more free thinkers globally are realizing daily how you Scientist are twisting/manipulating the verbiage to make this all out sound believable. That this is the first time "IN RECORDED HISTORY" this has happened.

Well, it is not the first time in Earths History. And that you Ph.D's is what really truly matters. Cus you and I and the rest of us are going away. We will all do as the billions of other species have done before us. Make room for the species that can adapt to the ever changing planet earth.

Closed box humanistic pathetic educated morons. Ph.D's. Fail.
Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Jul 26, 2013 - 08:02pm PT
the 1800s were the worst fires we know about followed by the early 1900s

Please provide references. Were these the worst in total area, duration, or burn severity?

Thanks
The Chief

climber
From the Land Mongols under the Whites
Jul 26, 2013 - 08:05pm PT
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ MORON CHRISPY Ph.D^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


Long before you "Educated White Boys" showed up here in North America and began destroying everything with your higher education, the Plains had fires that comprised the entire states of Nebraska and South Dakota and lasted for months. Destroyed everything in their path. Many times over for millions of years this occurred. That was the nature of things. All over North America.

Not just for the last long 30 years.
Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Jul 26, 2013 - 08:10pm PT
Did someone just sh#t their pants? It reeks like chief in here.
The Chief

climber
From the Land Mongols under the Whites
Jul 26, 2013 - 08:12pm PT
Amazing. You finally realized you should actually change your undies. Nice. 30 years of shetting yourself Crispy will indeed catch up sooner or later. Should have listened to your mommy years ago.

Now go wash your ass would ya. Ph.D Boy!
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jul 26, 2013 - 08:14pm PT
Fact is Scientism Ph.D Utopians, the more you post up your fatalistic fallacies, the more you confirm your dogma and ideology. Your ignorance continues.


I'm not sure what to make if this..... I'm sure Chuff intends this as an insult yet taken literally he apparently indicates that everything we post confirms what we are trying to say....

Why thank you Chuff! It is good to know our communication skills are effective and are validated.

By the way - I think you may not realize that "dogma" and "ideology" are not the sole property of the psychotic basket case. Pretty much every human alive subscribes to dogma and ideology in some form or another. They are the terms used to describe organized philosphical structure which can provide explanation and guidance for what we do and hope for.

It is not inherrently stupid or evil merely by definition. It can be by how it is or is not justified however.

Your Dogma for instance
dirtbag

climber
Jul 26, 2013 - 08:14pm PT
LOL at Chief. What an idiot.

Too busy yapping to hear everyone laughing at him. Too stupid to know better.
The Chief

climber
From the Land Mongols under the Whites
Jul 26, 2013 - 08:15pm PT
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Tuck that shet in would ya Dirtbag.


BRUCE:


Hmmm. Them words fit your Tribe to the tee. Perfect Utopian Scientism Self Centered we can fix it all for the good of Man explanation. Nice.
kunlun_shan

Mountain climber
SF, CA
Jul 26, 2013 - 08:22pm PT
it was a CURRENT picture of the Arctic Pole having turned into a melting lake

^ reality in a nutshell.

Credit: http://www.arctic.noaa.gov/np2013/2013-cam2.mov

http://www.arctic.noaa.gov/np2013/2013-cam2.mov
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jul 26, 2013 - 08:22pm PT
perhaps this is what you wanted -


ideologue
/ˈīdēəˌlg/
Noun
An adherent of an ideology, esp. one who is uncompromising and dogmatic: "a Nazi ideologue".


ideology is not a problem at all. An ideologue sure as hell can be.

either way Chuff, think before posting
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jul 26, 2013 - 08:35pm PT
Dogma
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
For other uses, see Dogma (disambiguation).
Dogma is a principle or set of principles laid down by an authority as incontrovertibly true.[1] It serves as part of the primary basis of an ideology or belief system, and it cannot be changed or discarded without affecting the very system's paradigm, or the ideology itself. They can refer to acceptable opinions of philosophers or philosophical schools, public decrees, religion, or issued decisions of political authorities.[2]


Even Dogma, a term which is often used in a derisive manner, is not inherrently bad - or good.

For the purpose of this thread AGW theory is dependent upon the belief of certain fossil fuel induced gases are the primary driver of observed global warming.

Now if you Chuff (or anyone else) could prove this fact as untrue then the whole ideology of AGW would die a quick death and we could all get back to business.

I wish you would instead of blathering noxious (or as Rick would say, "Vile") useless verbiage because I rather like burning fossil fuels.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Jul 26, 2013 - 08:37pm PT
Ok Bruce. You say I am a reasonable student and then in the next paragraph say my beliefs are irrational and immoral, perhaps criminal. You go on to say Ed may be high on crack or a raving eco terrorist. In a later post you say the gift that goes on giving. Well bubba, it is after all entertainment, isn't it? When in Rome do as the Romans.

Bruce you seem to be an intelligent man yet you seem to have an irrational belief that their is an overwhelming consensus of science behind the CAGW hypothesis. All I can tell you is to exercise a little humility buddy. While you are doing your morning self appraisal in the mirror ask yourself am I certain in my beliefs or am i being misdirected. I know this is hard to accept but their are tens of thousands of scientists, some of which were recognized previous to the CAGW hit jobs as some of the worlds foremost authorities, worldwide that do not sign on to the idea of anthropogenic catastrophe or the agenda behind it. I've read extensively on this subject and am satisfied that we don't face imminent catastrophe. Can you say the same about your belief in catastrophe?
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jul 26, 2013 - 09:02pm PT
I didn't say you are a reasonable student of science.... I said YOU PRETEND TO BE.

This precisely qualifies my accusation of inferior morality / ethical behavior, assuming that this forum is a debate rather than a pissing match.


I also said FOR ALL I KNOW Ed is on crack...etc. By that I meant I don't know him at all other than through this forum so logically he could be shooting heroin and fornicating with chickens and recieving all of it straight from Al Gore for all i know . It was a straight allegorical reference to illustrate a degree of uncertainty of my faith in his opinion. However I went on to say based on the absence of any compromising evidence, I chose to trust him.


Look, I think you are fundamentally a good man as well, but I do think you are an ideologue and i am not. If the weight of evidence and consensus opinion was even close to being on your side I'd gladly jump ship, even if just to ease the mind. But it isn't and I don't know where you get your statistics but please reveal them. I suspect your sources are by and large right wing or libertarian clearing houses of Koch financed propaganda.

Remember that question I asked you? If the evidence was there could you change your mind?
Thats what this is all about in terms of morality and ethics. If you can answer yes TRUTHFULLY then you pass the gates of heaven test. If you can't then woe is ye.

You did answer yes but you immediately qualified it by stating there is no evidence, which in the face of all the evidence leads me to think you were untruthful. Its an easy out if you can never aknowledge the evidence.

Still, you demonstrated way more guts than Chuff, Ron or that dingbat Abrams or the Robo spam Baratta.

The obvious retort on your part would have been to ask me the same question. Why didn't you?
Because it would validate the relevance? That is why Chuff refuses to aknowledge it - so through is silent ignoring of it he implies its irrelevance.

That and because hes scared of it
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jul 26, 2013 - 09:07pm PT
Wes as Chief mentioned HUGE fire burned through the midwest killing thousands of people in millions of acres events. In 1910 MOSt of Idaho burned along with parts of nearby states to the tune of 7 million acres or more. As far as intesnity,, Mann gulch of the 40s or Yarnell of 2013 were very much the same.
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