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Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Jul 26, 2013 - 03:31pm PT
Just cus you got the title of "Scientist" and have a Cert stating your a Ph.D, does not exclude you from being ignorant. Nor does not having one define you as ignorant.

Here's a free lesson: if you can replace the word with "you are" you should be using the contraction "you're" otherwise, use the possessive pronoun "your." Your welcome.

Failing at 2nd grade spelling and basic reasoning does in fact define you as ignorant.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jul 26, 2013 - 03:33pm PT
I know where you personally stand on that, and I happen to agree with your core position.

Norton - you seem to be able to state things concisely .... maybe you could describe Chuffs core position on this matter. I have my own ideas of what that may be and it isn't pretty. Maybe its better than I think?
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jul 26, 2013 - 03:37pm PT
1. The climate is not warming.
2. Even if it is warming, insignificant, lowly, people are not causing it to accelerate.
3. Even if they are, there is nothing those insignificant pissants can do about it. The EGO of those people!!!!

Oh, and the foundation?

PEOPLE SUCK.

DMT
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine Basecamp
Jul 26, 2013 - 03:39pm PT
Yup. A nihilist toad.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Jul 26, 2013 - 03:40pm PT
photo not found
Missing photo ID#312885
Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Jul 26, 2013 - 03:44pm PT
That sums it up nicely monolith.

Ah, the mentality of idiots who deny the science they simply don't want to accept, yet repeat ad nausea the few simple irrelevant facts they THINK support their stance.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jul 26, 2013 - 03:47pm PT
PEOPLE SUCK.

DMT



oh thanks Dingus. No need Norton.....
Elcapinyoazz

Social climber
Joshua Tree
Jul 26, 2013 - 03:48pm PT
Projection of self-loathing, or actual ASPD? I'm thinking the former. In any case, bone ignurnt.

Saw this study popping up all over the media today:

"Antarctic permafrost, which had been weathering global warming far better than areas around the North Pole, is starting to give way. Scientists have recorded some of it melting at rates that are nearly comparable to those in the Arctic.

Scientists used time-lapse photography and LiDAR to track the retreat of an Antarctic ice cliff over a little more than a decade. They reported Wednesday in the journal Scientific Reports that the cliff was “backwasting rapidly.” The permafrost that made up the cliff was found to be disappearing nearly 10 times more quickly than was the case during recent geological history. And the rate of melting is picking up pace. From the Los Angeles Times:

Cliff-face measurements of the buried ice in the four-mile-long Garwood Valley revealed melt rates that shifted from a creeping annual rate of about 40,000 cubic feet per year over six milleniums, to more than 402,000 cubic feet last year alone. … (That’s a leap from the capacity of about eight standard railroad boxcars to 77.)

The scientists also monitored the weather at the cliff and found that rising air temperatures were not to blame for the melt. Rather, they think it was caused by growing amounts of dark debris on the surface of the ice and snow that absorbed the sun’s rays."

From http://grist.org/news/antarcticas-permafrost-is-melting/

Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Jul 26, 2013 - 04:09pm PT
Norton - you seem to be able to state things concisely .... maybe you could describe Chuffs core position on this matter. I have my own ideas of what that may be and it isn't pretty. Maybe its better than I think?

Bruce,

The Chief's main contention is that any resources be they human or financial involvement would be better utilized to mitigate human suffering than to be "spent" on taking on such a long term dubiously successful project like Climate Change, so why bother?

He has said this, and to some large degree I agree

rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Jul 26, 2013 - 04:13pm PT
Is that a current picture of the north pole Norton or Chiloe? Let's give you guys a chance to come clean.

Ed, you are not only a potentially great sci-fi writer but also have a great sense of humor. The only problem is their has been a good deal of research that seems to validate the Charlson 1987 paper, but im sure an equal or greater amount of work refuting it.

Just taking a little break Bruce. Your questions deserve an honest and reasoned answer that i'll get to after work.
Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Jul 26, 2013 - 04:18pm PT
Is that a current picture of the north pole Norton or Chiloe? Let's give you guys a chance to come clean.

Jesus Christ you fuking idiot, can't you see the date plastered across the top of the picture? Like trying to have a discussion with a fuking mud puddle.




One of the key features that distinguishes humans from other animals is our ability to anticipate future events based on evidence from the past. You think human suffering is bad now? After a period of the highest food production rates and most advanced medical technology humans have EVER known?
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jul 26, 2013 - 04:20pm PT
ah - so it is better than I thought. So why does he present himself as such a miserable prick then?

I assumed that due to his infatuation for geological time scales and the magnificent simplicity of Darwinian survival of the fittest moralities and the just destruction of anyone who can't stack up that he is actually looking forward to the apocalypse and a climate generated one would work just dandy.

But then why the revulsion for science? If what you say is true he is a policy guy and policy needs science. If he ever expects to help anyone he needs science in spades as much as anyone.

Anyway thanks for clearing that up. Too bad he can't state that as clearly.

Unless he would prefer it that way.......
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Jul 26, 2013 - 04:24pm PT
Is that a current picture of the north pole Norton or Chiloe? Let's give you guys a chance to come clean.

Did someone tell you this was a gotcha? First, why not look up what I said it was when I first posted that pic on the Birds thread?

But in the spirit of asking other folks to "come clean," how about you start posting the sources that feed you these talking points you're so eager to belligerently repeat?
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Jul 26, 2013 - 04:33pm PT
Here's an image from the same NPEO webcam 2 taken yesterday. It seems to be drifting faster toward Fram Strait, the map shows about 85N. The bird is gone, hopefully to somewhere more friendly. And the lake is getting deeper.

k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 26, 2013 - 04:39pm PT
Whoever said we're in a drought period obviously does not live at the North Pole.
Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Jul 26, 2013 - 04:40pm PT
And whoever writes something like that obviously has no idea what a drought actually is.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Jul 26, 2013 - 07:00pm PT
Well Chiloe, after the usual CAGW community rant from both Christ and Norton you come clean with the information that webcam is at 85 degrees north- actually more like 84 something. Why is this important Norton? Well it illustrates how those in the CAGW community twist and misinform and others don't question while they follow blindly. You yourself are probably innocent- you probably didn't investigate the actual location. I noticed the other UW webcam at 86 north showed different conditions.
jghedge

climber
Jul 26, 2013 - 07:17pm PT


Hahahaha, is the home builder still trying to argue science with the phd physicist?

Perhaps a psychiatrist should step in for Dr. Ed at this point?


rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Jul 26, 2013 - 07:20pm PT
Ed, i have never previously been a religious man but the more i learn about this field, all the incredibly complex mechanisms working through and in concert with life to sustain life on this planet, the closer i come to sensing a god or all powerful directing force.Yeah i always liked that song until the place became the gay area.
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Jul 26, 2013 - 07:26pm PT
you come clean with the information

Fantasy/reality issues again, Rick. I didn't "come clean with the information," I led with it. Here's my entire post from yesterday on the birds thread, where I first posted that webcam photo:

"Anybody recognize this bird?
From North Pole webcam 2 on July 22, currently at about 87N, sitting in a melt pond and drifting toward Fram Strait."

Still curious about the bird.
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