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Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Jul 26, 2013 - 11:57am PT
Good thing no respectable climate scientist has done either of those things.

You prove yourself an idiot every time you hit return.
The Chief

climber
From the Land Mongols under the Whites
Jul 26, 2013 - 12:01pm PT
CHRISPY!

You are the epitome of the modern day self centered human brat! Here is a clue for you moron, the earth does not revolve around humans. Nor does it's concept of time.
Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Jul 26, 2013 - 12:03pm PT
Tell me more Chaff. Enlighten me, oh wisest of all men.
The Chief

climber
From the Land Mongols under the Whites
Jul 26, 2013 - 12:05pm PT
^^^^^^Ph.D Human Moron. Simple.^^^^^^^




Calling an ignorant person ignorant...

Just cus you got the title of "Scientist" and have a Cert stating your a Ph.D, does not exclude you from being ignorant. Nor does not having one define you as ignorant.


Now, making the insane claim that 30 years is considered a "long time", now that is ignorant. Totally.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jul 26, 2013 - 12:07pm PT
Ah we're back to Step 2.

Just trying to keep pace.

DMT
The Chief

climber
From the Land Mongols under the Whites
Jul 26, 2013 - 12:14pm PT
Hows that V10 triple the avg vehicle Monster Carbon Blowing Sports Mobile of yours doing there Dingus?




By all means, don't be part of the solution. Just be part of the whining tribe that just talks loads of shet. Nice.
Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Jul 26, 2013 - 12:16pm PT
Nice rig DMT!
The Chief

climber
From the Land Mongols under the Whites
Jul 26, 2013 - 12:18pm PT
Of course Chrispy. Hand in hand in the circle jerk of hypocrites.

Credibility: Big FAT ZERO!

Really nice.
Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Jul 26, 2013 - 12:22pm PT
You only have gas tank DMT? I had 2 on mine, but it wasn't diesel... at 10 mpg I NEEDED 2. If it weren't for gas prices, I'd still be driving from Squamish to the Red River Gorge to Hueco to... Good times!
abrams

Sport climber
Jul 26, 2013 - 12:23pm PT
Anti-racketeering laws are perfect to stop climate profiteers.
Criminal sanctions and forfeiture provisions should be enough to halt the climate change syndicates.

Without their huge fleet of private jets how will they travel in comfort to the next Climate Change Conference to plan their conspiracies?
The Chief

climber
From the Land Mongols under the Whites
Jul 26, 2013 - 12:26pm PT
Or their large fleet of Sportmobiles.

CREDIBILITY: Big fat ZERO!




But then whatta expect. Gotta do what ya gotta do to be part of and liked by the tribe.
raymond phule

climber
Jul 26, 2013 - 01:16pm PT
Just cus you got the title of "Scientist" and have a Cert stating your a Ph.D, does not exclude you from being ignorant. Nor does not having one define you as ignorant.

True, but you and your friends really do a great job showing that you really are ignorant. That you also do not have any relevant formal education do not really matter.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jul 26, 2013 - 01:18pm PT
She IS a beauty. I love that rig. Its delivered such good times, the bonfire of the vanities!

DMT
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jul 26, 2013 - 01:46pm PT
Speaking of ignorant, there is a glimmer of good news that may be a little late in terms of AGW mitigation but it is hopeful as another sign that persistent stupidity is on the decline:

Poll: Young Voters Call Climate Deniers "Ignorant," "Out of Touch," "Crazy"
A majority of young Republicans say they'd be less likely to vote for opponents of President Obama's climate change plan.
—By Suzanne Goldenberg | Thu Jul. 25, 2013 12:39 PM PDT
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League of Conservative Voters
This story first appeared in the Guardian and is reproduced here as part of the Climate Desk collaboration.

Republicans in Congress who reject the science behind climate change could soon be reduced to political fossils, with new polling on Wednesday suggesting three-quarters of young voters find such views "ignorant, out of touch or crazy."

The bipartisan poll conducted for the League of Conservation Voters found solid 80-percent support among under-35 voters for Barack Obama's climate change plan—and majority support even among those who oppose the president.

On the flip side the poll found three-quarters of voters, or 73 percent, would oppose members of Congress who stood in the way of Obama's climate action plan.

The findings could prove awkward for Republicans in Congress who have adopted climate contrarianism as a defining feature.

Some 55 percent of Republicans in the House of Representatives and 65 percent of those in the Senate reject the science behind climate change or oppose action on climate change, according to an analysis by the Centre for American Progress.

The house speaker, John Boehner, dismissed Obama's plan to reduce carbon emissions as "absolutely crazy." If the poll is right that would hurt Boehner even among members of his own party, with the poll finding 52 percent of young Republicans less inclined to support a candidate who opposed Obama on climate change.

The implications were even more harsh for those Republicans who block Obama on climate action and dispute the entire body of science behind climate change. "For voters under 35, denying climate change signals a much broader failure of values and leadership," the polling memo said. Many young voters would write such candidates off completely, with 37 percent describing climate change deniers as "ignorant," 29 percent as "out of touch" and 7 percent simply as "crazy."

The climate cranks were unlikely to pick up many points with their base either; just under half of young Republicans said they would be less likely to vote for a climate change denier.

The poll, a joint effort by the Democratic firm Benenson Strategy Group and the Republican firm GS Strategy Group, could provide further evidence to a small group of moderate Republicans—mainly retired from politics—who have been trying to nudge the party to engage with the issue of climate change.

"As a Republican party strategist I believe that Republican candidates, Republican elected officials, need to find ways to demonstrate tolerance and understanding of what a young generation of voters need to see occurring," said Greg Strimple of GS Strategy.

A few former Republican members of Congress—and an anonymous congressional aide—have publicly warned the party will lose voters, especially among the young, if it is seen as anti-science.

Obama, who has grown more high-profile about climate change in his second term, has played into those perceptions, calling out Republican climate cranks as "flat-earthers" in his climate speech last month.

At the moment there is no sign elected Republicans are eager for a climate makeover. At a Senate environment and public works hearing this week on climate change Republican Senators freely aired their personal doubts on established climate science and attacked Obama for failing to show "tolerance" to their alternative views.

In the house, meanwhile, Republicans were preparing bills to drastically reduce the powers and cut the budget by one-third of the Environmental Protection Agency—the main executor of Obama's climate plan.

Outside Washington, however, Strimple said a rethink was under way. "I think there is a broad soul-searching going on with Republicans," he said.


You can see why the GOP is so focused on making the vote less attainable for younger people.
The Chief

climber
From the Land Mongols under the Whites
Jul 26, 2013 - 03:03pm PT
True, but you and your friends really do a great job showing that you really are ignorant. That you also do not have any relevant formal education do not really matter.

As you wipe off your chin. Got it.


She IS a beauty. I love that rig. Its delivered such good times, the bonfire of the vanities!

As says Al Gore in regards to his new seaside 8000 sq ft Mansion that has a Carbon Footprint ten times that of the normal American Home.


Gotta love that flowing hypocrisy. Yup.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Jul 26, 2013 - 03:06pm PT
The North Pole probably looks a bit different than you would expect right now. Because, at this very moment, it's actually a lake.

For the first time in recorded history the exact Arctic North Pole has melted into a lake.

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The Chief

climber
From the Land Mongols under the Whites
Jul 26, 2013 - 03:14pm PT
For the first time in recorded history...

And that is a whopping 160 something years out of 4.6 Billion years. A very very very loooooooooooooong time.

Got it.
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Jul 26, 2013 - 03:17pm PT
I posted this earlier on the Birds thread -- from the NPEO webcam 2 on July 22. Guesses so far include Northern Gannet, Snow Goose, Kittiwake or Fulmar.

Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jul 26, 2013 - 03:26pm PT
I assume that that image posted above ^^^^^^^ is the temperature anomaly ( degrees of difference, greater or lesser to the norm) for the globe for june 2013.

The obvious notables are that most everything registers in the greater spectrum ( warm color) and the greatest warm anomalies are in the higher latitudes, which has been typical for a number of years now.

Rick - it looks like Wassila was a little hot in June this year
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Jul 26, 2013 - 03:27pm PT
Chief,

what possible difference does it make whether or it the earth was warmer in the past or not?

The fact is that we live in the now, the present, and there is no disputing the truth that the TREND is warmer.

Doesn't matter if it is warmer now that 10K years ago or not. That is not relevant.

Hey, the earth was a giant ball of super heat 4 billion years ago, who gives a damn?

This is not a discussion, maybe it should be, of whether or not us present day humans should be doing anything about this definite RECENT warming trend we are in now.

But it IS happening, and it already IS having bad consequences, like the very sharp rise in world grain prices that the extreme heat and drought causes, just to mention ONE consequence.

We can argue whether or not we can or even should be doing anything to mitigate these effects.

I know where you personally stand on that, and I happen to agree with your core position.

But this thread is about Climate Change "skeptics", and their obvious denial of the very fact that our earth IS in a RECENT historically warming period, a fact that they have trouble dealing with.

People like Rick, who just keeps on calling everything a lie when he cannot refute it.





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