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raymond phule

climber
Oct 18, 2013 - 10:36am PT
It is possibly that what rick writes make sense to conspiracy theorist but to everyone else it seems to be just gibberish.

The possibility that the earth is warming due to human actions just don't seem to be a possibility in rick's world.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Oct 18, 2013 - 10:50am PT
Here is the tale of another scientists road to transformation from CAGW proponent to skeptic.

http://www.mercurynews.com/pacifica/ci_24317137?avid-environmentalist-challenges-climate-change-alarmists-book-event
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Oct 18, 2013 - 11:01am PT
I'm fascinated by what occurred in the 1920s and 30s of Nazi Germany. How some folks obviously were able to see what was occurring yet huge percentages of the population justified and accepted the most horrific actions. A guy can see these same issues all through history when societies attempt to make difficult decisions or disseminate new realities.

Well said Riley

For me that is THE burning question from studying History.

This thread if nothing else is an interesting if slightly depressing case study of that phenomenon.
locker

Social climber
Some Rehab in Bolivia
Oct 18, 2013 - 11:21am PT


What the fuk is with this for sh!t weather of late???...

It SNOWED last night!!!...

k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 18, 2013 - 11:32am PT
Meanwhile, back on Planet Earth:

One Man's Bid to Be Recognized as World's First Official Climate Refugee

http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2013/10/17-3


Regardless of what the denialists choose to ignore, the physical realities of AWG continue to march on...
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Oct 18, 2013 - 11:37am PT
Mono, I see by your deletion that you answered your own question.

Are you serious Kelly, one wacko looking for a handout?
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Oct 18, 2013 - 11:46am PT
Can't you read Mono? He refuted one claim of CAGW causation after another through finding local land use reasons.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Oct 18, 2013 - 11:48am PT
Again, where did he say he was an AGW proponent? Where does he say AGW is a hoax?

He is skeptical of some of the current AGW impacts on wildlife vs dynamiting and railroads.

That's a true skeptic, unlike the deniers we have around here.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Oct 18, 2013 - 12:12pm PT
Sketch is solidly realist. The masses, those of them that pay attention, are turning solid realists in overwhelming numbers after years of hearing the wolves cry. Meanwhile, the doomists bitterly cling to their religion.
raymond phule

climber
Oct 18, 2013 - 12:18pm PT

The "alarmists" act like it's the end on mankind... and they attack anyone who isn't on the same page. This thread is a prime example.

Who on this thread is an "alarmist" that believe that it is the end of mankind?

Most of this thread is actually about trying to discuss the science, is AGW true or not, and not about policy. The people that get attacked are attacked because the ignorance they show.
raymond phule

climber
Oct 18, 2013 - 12:20pm PT

The masses, those of them that pay attention

to the same blogs as you do?
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Oct 18, 2013 - 12:39pm PT
Sketch brought up accurate points ..


Take the facelift this year~~ how much gas and oil was consumed by folks who shopped for supplies the drive all the way there. Then the bar b qs and the campfires ensue. While trash and debris was collected, there was an equal and opposite carbon thingy goin on eh?

The there is burning man lol.. A group of eco like folks for a lot of em, yet they give off a "carbon footprint" of the jolly green giant. 60,000 plus people all driving to the event. Then running generators to all hours.

Afterwards 10K tons of trash are the results.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Oct 18, 2013 - 12:41pm PT
I thought Ed said before that we cannot individually conserve our way into salvation from the carbon demons? You also said we are near the physical limits of efficiency in our present energy production technology. I believe your only permitted route to the holy land was through behavioral modification by heavy carbon taxation and tilting at windmills.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Oct 18, 2013 - 12:47pm PT
thats a whole lotta words to say nuthin...
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Oct 18, 2013 - 12:51pm PT
Take the facelift this year~~ how much gas and oil was consumed by folks who shopped for supplies the drive all the way there. Then the bar b qs and the campfires ensue. While trash and debris was collected, there was an equal and opposite carbon thingy goin on eh?

no. not even close. You have no idea what you're talking about.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Oct 18, 2013 - 12:52pm PT
got a "link"..??
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Oct 18, 2013 - 01:00pm PT
I haven't seen you at any of the 10 facelifts Ron. I will not waste a minute trying to explain anything to you. Except to reiterate- and I am absolutely certain on this- that you have no idea what you're are talking about.
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Oct 18, 2013 - 01:01pm PT
"CAGW" is not the name of a scientific theory but rather an acronym popularized by denialists in the 4th stage of climate denial.

Since all 5 stages are on display in this thread, often flashing in sequence from the same individuals, now seems like a good time to review them. There are several versions of the 5 stages; I like the following summarized from Gary Kendall.

1) Climate change isnít happening.

2) Climate change is happening, but itís part of the Earthís natural cycles

3) Climate change is happening, it may well be due to human activity, but itís generally beneficial

4) Climate change is happening, itís probably due to human activity, but itís not going to be as bad as the computer models suggest

5) Climate change is happening, it is caused by human activity, itís a really bad thing, but thereís very little we can do about it and there are lots of other bad things we should attack first


The common element, of course, is "Don't reduce fossil fuel use!"
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Oct 18, 2013 - 01:03pm PT
You all dont drive the the valley.. Wow im impressed. And you consume no charcoal or wood while there either,, impressive again.. How long does it take to hike from LA to YOS?? And the food brought and bought for the event? Did it just grow legs and hip into your car ? Or was it produced, delivered and purchased all with a carbon foot print along with them?
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Oct 18, 2013 - 01:11pm PT
I will not waste a minute trying to explain anything to you. Except to reiterate- and I am absolutely certain on this- that you have no idea what you're are talking about.

never hiked from LA, but I've ridden a bike to the valley from there twice, and from Sac twice. you?
oh yeah, no meat, no fire, walking/biking only in valley, no purchases in the valley...well a couple beers at the deli..but I recycled. and sh#t . I just wasted a minute.

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