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Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Dec 5, 2013 - 10:43am PT
K-man, see the Club of Rome and it's bible, The Limits of Growth, for an answer to why the leadership of the NAS,the U.N, many European Union countries, and many environmental organizations are lying through their rotting teeth.

From this I gather that you've never seen The Limits to Growth. But what have you been told that it contains?
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Dec 5, 2013 - 10:25pm PT
Ed, your rebuttal is boiler plate idiocy. Many of your questions will be answered in the continuation.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Dec 5, 2013 - 10:31pm PT
then rebut Ed's post, Rick

take it apart, clearly and carefully, in detail

no clever little irrelevant personal digs, no emotional diatribes....

prove most everyone wrong when they say you don't have the intellect to do so


time to finally man up, rick

take it apart, clearly and carefully, in detail

or STFU, the choice is yours
Malemute

Ice climber
the ghost
Dec 5, 2013 - 10:33pm PT
prove most everyone wrong when they say you don't have the intellect to do so
he can't because he's a dunce
BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
Dec 6, 2013 - 09:18am PT
The basis for stratigraphy is defining intervals between max flooding surfaces. In the rock record, sea level changes in a very rhythmic way..evidence that the Earth's climate is cyclic. These cycles dominate the rock record.

The mechanism behind this is now generally accepted to be Milankovitch Cycles. These are cycles in the Earth's orbit and precession of the Earth's axis.

Although we are no doubt warming right now, we are oddly enough in a part of the cycles where we should be cooling down.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Dec 6, 2013 - 09:27am PT
then rebut Ed's post, Rick

take it apart, clearly and carefully, in detail

no clever little irrelevant personal digs, no emotional diatribes....

prove most everyone wrong when they say you don't have the intellect to do so


time to finally man up, rick

take it apart, clearly and carefully, in detail

or STFU, the choice is yours
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Dec 6, 2013 - 09:41am PT
For the reality-based community, a nice look at real science in action. This 5-minute video posted by glaciologist Mauri Pelto offers a glimpse of the 30 years of field work that have gone into monitoring the mass balance of Cascade glaciers.
We have developed a 30 years time series of glacier mass balance on glaciers across the North Cascades of Washington. To ensure that the program could be sustained, we did not pursue any federal funding for the project. The data we, collect is submitted to the World Glacier Monitoring Service (WGMS) each year, the regional time series built in the North Cascade is just part of the contribution to the global glacier mass balance time series at WGMS. The cumulative North Cascades glacier mass balance record is in fact quite similar to the cumulative global mass balance time series. For the globe there have been 22 consecutive years of negative mass balance, that is the reality of the impact of global warming on mountain glaciers around the globe. The impact on the glaciers of Mount Baker was recently published Pelto and Brown (2012)


Pelto is presenting a longer version of his video next week at the AGU (American Geophysical Union) meetings in San Francisco.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
U.N. Ambassador, Crackistan
Dec 6, 2013 - 11:00am PT
Sketch I would really like to see you directly answer Bruce Kay's question above. No side-stepping. Can you do it?

Of are you playing chief's game too?

Will you answer?

DMT
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Dec 6, 2013 - 12:43pm PT
When anyone repeatedly displays intellectual cowardice it is our duty to piss on their heads from a very great height.

oh damn, now that IS funny regardless

just like next door neighbor five year old kid who disagreed with me about something and told
me to "build a bridge and get over it, diaper face"
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Dec 6, 2013 - 12:44pm PT
Given your verbosity in making the request, I'm guessing any response on my part would result in more tiresome tedious posts from you. Even if I was interested addressing this query (which I'm not), your penchant for blather would be a deterrent.

hmmm, Irony?


Eschew obfuscation, espouse elucidation.
raymond phule

climber
Dec 6, 2013 - 01:10pm PT

Turns out his claim was a lie. After getting called on it, instead of simply saying "I misspoke", he tries to defend his lie. Sleazy. Cowardly. Just my opinion.

The irony, how many times have you done exactly that in this thread?
raymond phule

climber
Dec 6, 2013 - 01:58pm PT

Another one of Ray Ray's hollow accusations.

Haha, hollow accusations? Why don't we make a bet? I go back and find one of the many times that you have done this and you apologize to me and stop posting to the forum. If I can't do that I apologize to you and stop posting to the forum. Do you take the bet?
raymond phule

climber
Dec 6, 2013 - 02:28pm PT
Not that it matter for sketch (he is of course not going to read the sources anyway) but to me it seems like Pielke's hearing did claim some things that the experts said where wrong.

For example:

Pielke:
"Tornadoes have not increased in frequency, intensity or normalized damage since 1950, and there is some evidence to suggest that they have actually declined."

The experts:
"The honest "truth" is that no one knows what effect global warming is having on tornado intensity. Tornado records are not accurate enough to tell whether tornado intensity has changed over time."

The experts also writes
"That said, some high-profile scientists are misleading the American public about what is, and is not, known about global warming and tornadoes. "

and then give a single example in the text. I don't believe it is a far stretch to believe that one of the high-profile scientists where actually Pielke.
McHale's Navy

Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
Dec 6, 2013 - 04:05pm PT
May as well post something about the Arctic Vortex;

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/03/22/1195793/-The-Winter-the-Polar-Vortex-Collapsed#

http://www.arctic.noaa.gov/future/warm_arctic_cold_continent.html
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Dec 6, 2013 - 04:07pm PT
Visual representations of current global temperatures are provided by NOAA's Earth Systems Research Laboratory. I think this pic will update automatically but at the time of posting it shows "Arctic" air over much of the US, which of course came from somewhere -- note unseasonably warm temperatures over northern Alaska and eastern Siberia. These maps are one-day temperatures (top) and temperature anomalies (bottom).

Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Dec 6, 2013 - 04:33pm PT
Here are NOAA's maps of 30-day temperature (top) and temperature anomalies (bottom).

McHale's Navy

Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
Dec 6, 2013 - 04:50pm PT
Thanks for the follow-up Chiloe. I was not aware of current temps up north but I figured it might fit in if all of this is real. :>)
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Dec 6, 2013 - 06:14pm PT
Why do post propaganda that is outta date and forecasted a month ago.

Those who can read better than Rick Poedtke may notice that the NOAA temperature maps I posted are not propaganda, not outta date, and not forecasted. His self-righteous post does show a forecast for some reason.
McHale's Navy

Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
Dec 6, 2013 - 06:21pm PT
That last NOAA chart still shows warmer trading places with colder. Looks to be warmer north of Alaska into Siberia.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Dec 6, 2013 - 07:10pm PT
Credit: wilbeer
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