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raymond phule

climber
Dec 6, 2013 - 01:10pm PT

Turns out his claim was a lie. After getting called on it, instead of simply saying "I misspoke", he tries to defend his lie. Sleazy. Cowardly. Just my opinion.

The irony, how many times have you done exactly that in this thread?
raymond phule

climber
Dec 6, 2013 - 01:58pm PT

Another one of Ray Ray's hollow accusations.

Haha, hollow accusations? Why don't we make a bet? I go back and find one of the many times that you have done this and you apologize to me and stop posting to the forum. If I can't do that I apologize to you and stop posting to the forum. Do you take the bet?
raymond phule

climber
Dec 6, 2013 - 02:28pm PT
Not that it matter for sketch (he is of course not going to read the sources anyway) but to me it seems like Pielke's hearing did claim some things that the experts said where wrong.

For example:

Pielke:
"Tornadoes have not increased in frequency, intensity or normalized damage since 1950, and there is some evidence to suggest that they have actually declined."

The experts:
"The honest "truth" is that no one knows what effect global warming is having on tornado intensity. Tornado records are not accurate enough to tell whether tornado intensity has changed over time."

The experts also writes
"That said, some high-profile scientists are misleading the American public about what is, and is not, known about global warming and tornadoes. "

and then give a single example in the text. I don't believe it is a far stretch to believe that one of the high-profile scientists where actually Pielke.
McHale's Navy

Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
Dec 6, 2013 - 04:05pm PT
May as well post something about the Arctic Vortex;

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/03/22/1195793/-The-Winter-the-Polar-Vortex-Collapsed#

http://www.arctic.noaa.gov/future/warm_arctic_cold_continent.html
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Dec 6, 2013 - 04:07pm PT
Visual representations of current global temperatures are provided by NOAA's Earth Systems Research Laboratory. I think this pic will update automatically but at the time of posting it shows "Arctic" air over much of the US, which of course came from somewhere -- note unseasonably warm temperatures over northern Alaska and eastern Siberia. These maps are one-day temperatures (top) and temperature anomalies (bottom).

Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Dec 6, 2013 - 04:33pm PT
Here are NOAA's maps of 30-day temperature (top) and temperature anomalies (bottom).

McHale's Navy

Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
Dec 6, 2013 - 04:50pm PT
Thanks for the follow-up Chiloe. I was not aware of current temps up north but I figured it might fit in if all of this is real. :>)
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Dec 6, 2013 - 06:14pm PT
Why do post propaganda that is outta date and forecasted a month ago.

Those who can read better than Rick Poedtke may notice that the NOAA temperature maps I posted are not propaganda, not outta date, and not forecasted. His self-righteous post does show a forecast for some reason.
McHale's Navy

Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
Dec 6, 2013 - 06:21pm PT
That last NOAA chart still shows warmer trading places with colder. Looks to be warmer north of Alaska into Siberia.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Dec 6, 2013 - 07:10pm PT
Credit: wilbeer
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Dec 6, 2013 - 07:13pm PT
That video is hilariously stupid, isn't it Chief. Unfortunately for you, a denier put it together to debunk realists.

Meanwhile, you need to explain why you think Chiloe's graphs are forecasts.

Do you think you can manage that?

BTW, Chiloe's one-day anomaly shows most of north america in extreme cold, just like your forecast. What was your point again?
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Dec 6, 2013 - 08:48pm PT
Credit: wilbeer

How is it at the bottom of the minority anyhow?
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Dec 6, 2013 - 09:12pm PT
Larry Hamilton, you definitely are blind.

Take a good look at what dates your posted data are "VALID" for. The one below expires tonight at midnight and was published the first week of NOVEMBER.

30 Day Mean for: Thu NOV 07 2013 - Fri Dec 06 2013

Dang you are stupid, Chief.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Dec 6, 2013 - 09:25pm PT
Larry, are those Cascade glaciers right next to the Himalayan glaciers set to vanish by 2035? Is it the same researcher that authored Himalayan prediction? Sorry to see your sorry ass got busted on a month old forecast. You really should stick to snow making machine sales.

Norton, i'll conclude my little reality discussion in my own good time. Don't expect a point by point refutation of religious climate dogma- it's bullshet and it's proponents are either greedy opportunists, ideological sympathizers, or so far over the edge that no argument, no matter how clear cut, could ever penetrate the cellophane bubble wrap around their heads.

wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Dec 6, 2013 - 09:32pm PT
Norton, i'll conclude my little reality discussion in my own good time

I am sure Norton will give you some time to figure out your own reality.

Comedy.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Dec 6, 2013 - 09:32pm PT
http://www.thepiratescove.us/2013/12/06/if-all-you-see-972/
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Dec 6, 2013 - 11:14pm PT
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Credit: Wade Icey
McHale's Navy

Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
Dec 7, 2013 - 01:44pm PT
A very profound addition to the Climate thread Bruce as we approach 20,000 posts. Thanks for that!
The aide said that guys like me were "in what we call the reality-based community," which he defined as people who "believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality." ... "That's not the way the world really works anymore," he continued. "We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality—judiciously, as you will—we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors…and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do."[2]

HUBRIS
raymond phule

climber
Dec 7, 2013 - 01:47pm PT

What a stupid bet.

As expected. You don't want to backup what you write.


I remember several times catching you flat out lying and you resorting to textbook sleazeball excuses. The kind of crapola nonsense my girls outgrew by age six.

There's to use in trying to have an honest exchange with a lying sleazeball, like Ray Ray the Fool.

It is obvious that we live in completely different worlds.

We can just start with the following one
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=970221&tn=18740

You where clearly incorrect (in your words you lied*), you did continue to argue you case in many posts and the best you come up with where 1 author that it could be argued that could be included in your statement. 1 person is of course not several.

So we had the lie
the arguing instead of admitting the mistake
and you of course didn't and are never going to admit your mistake.

But really, forget it. I hoped that you could agree on the bet because I find it extremely meaningless to try to discuss anything with you. You never listen to anyone else and you can be obviously wrong about something but you have never said that you made a mistake. You just start to sling insults instead.

I just found it ironic that you seem to really dislike the exact same behavior when you think that someone else has done it when you do it all the time yourself.

*as norton pointed out. Most people don't consider those examples as lies.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Dec 7, 2013 - 01:58pm PT
Is Dick Freud (aka Bruce Kay) prone to profundity? I think Sketch, with his very recent appraisal, is right on.

Sorry Dick, profound not, sometimes humorous yes.
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