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The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Sep 10, 2013 - 01:09am PT
Yup.... just like this "science" in the early 70's. Right BOBINC?

Here ya go DMT:





They were ready to do anything to cease the impending Ice Age... cus the science said it had to be done. Back then that is.


Edit:
ACTUALLY NO BRUCE> WATCH THE TWO VIDEOS ABOVE. The man himself speaks.

Dr. S. Schneider.
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Sep 10, 2013 - 01:20am PT
bruce Gay
Keep ur boo-hoo'in in Can-Nada
QITNL

climber
Sep 10, 2013 - 05:05am PT
Maybe we could start a companion thread?

Climate Change non-skeptics? [ot]
or
Climate Change semi-skeptics? [ot]

Something along those lines? Like the way people looking for Matthew Greene split up their threads.

Climate Change skeptics deserve their own thread. This thread was titled for confrontation. Wage war, beat each other up.
I'm not into that.

What if someone would like to understand the finer points, make use of our unique resources like the first-hand observations of Greg Stock? Disagreement is fine, but no insulting allowed? Narrow the argument down?

If anyone is adamantly opposed to the concept or just wants to piss people off, you could just say "hey, we got a thread for that, I'll kick your ass over there." Politely move along.

I'm on the fence, myself. My oldest climbing buddy doesn't believe in the stuff. I would like to know more. I spend some of my favorite months on ice and snow. I like looking at mountains and guessing how they get there. I dig leave-no-trace. I'm glad we're starting to look at that at a global level.

There's a place for Jerry Springer, World Wide Wresting. Is that why this thread is so popular?
QITNL

climber
Sep 10, 2013 - 05:48am PT
I don't think you are really hearing me. But I think we can work through it - like we did before, on my goofy bridge TR.

You start out all Jerry Springer. Then you spent a lot of time quoting data - probably good data - but it means nothing to me.

Why is it meaningless? Because you insulted me.

I might be the dumbest monkey in the cage, but don't be your own worst enemy.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Sep 10, 2013 - 07:05am PT
In case you need info: http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/science_and_impacts/global_warming_contrarians/

Off to the Greentopia festival up in Rochester this weekend.

This is where us utopians get TOGHETHER to SHARE thoughts,product examples[solar ,wind ,biofuels ,etc.]and EXCHANGE ideas of sustainability.

I know these events are not everywhere.

I am riding a bike with friends of the bikeshop i work pt at.http://www.mendoncyclesmith.com

We will be there in support of our friends at Buffalo Biodiesel.http://www.buffalobiodiesel.com

Great music,people and ideas.

It is too bad we are all wrong.

The event has grown threefold:http://greentopiafest.com
QITNL

climber
Sep 10, 2013 - 07:30am PT
I'm not sure if I get that - the being wrong part - it sounds like good clean fun. Have a great weekend.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Sep 10, 2013 - 07:39am PT
"Im not sure if i get that-the being wrong part"

Just some proliferation for the deniosphere.

Thank You.
raymond phule

climber
Sep 10, 2013 - 07:44am PT
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2013/sep/09/climate-change-arctic-sea-ice-delusions

The first graph is how the "skeptics" view the arctic sea ice extent data.

I found it so stupid that it is fascinating that some "skeptics" tries to claim that the globe is not warming by using the arctic sea ice data because this year is not a record year.

The ice extent for this year is so far the 6 lowest for the 33 last years. It is lower than all years before 2007. The mean has consistently being lower every decade. The volume is shrinking even more than the area.

To be a skeptic and believing that the arctic sea ice is not shrinking or that what happens goes against the AGW theory just shows that you don't understand science at all or that you are brain washed by media and blogs with an agenda.


Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Sep 10, 2013 - 07:57am PT
This thread is often about fake climate change skeptics, but Ed shows again that like many scientists he is a real one -- he downloads and analyzes the PIOMAS data to find out for himself!

Ed then looks closely at those data, noticing a small discrepancy involving leap years. That happens because PIOMAS does not actually do leap years, as a simplification the model divides every year into 365 "days" (satellite data which provide the main inputs don't divide into calendar days either). DOY in the PIOMAS output never reaches 366.
QITNL

climber
Sep 10, 2013 - 08:13am PT
Raymond - much of this is probably a media war. Their Daily Telegraph is our National Enquirer.

Chiloe - Ed's a solid dude. I met him once, we didn't talk much. I met some folks who worked around him, they said he was a solid dude. Good enough for me.

Let's make better use of his time. Ed, that goes for you, too.
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Sep 10, 2013 - 08:42am PT
Chiloe - Ed's a solid dude.

I'm not disputing Ed, he did things right right.
QITNL

climber
Sep 10, 2013 - 09:06am PT
"So.... what is it that you're on the fence about?"

Finally - that's a real good question. I'll give you a real straight answer:

I'm sick of the hate-speech.

It disrespects the explicit request of CMac.

I'm sick of all the petty bickering.

You don't think it affects anyone? You're an idiot.

Here, of all places. Show some respect.

(Not directed at you personally, last question I answered was on an SAT test)

A whole new bunch of new kids are born everyday. Anyone ready for a new thread?
Randisi

Social climber
Dalian, Liaoning
Sep 10, 2013 - 09:10am PT
Un dialogue de sourds.
QITNL

climber
Sep 10, 2013 - 09:24am PT
i'm the kinda guy who will google to figure out if i was insulted.

Literally it means: "a deaf people's dialogue" and we use this expression to describe a situation where two persons engage in dialogue and keep talking back to each other without actually understanding what the other person is trying to say.

a couple more posts and maybe there will be one cool page in this long dumb thread. good luck. thanks!
QITNL

climber
Sep 10, 2013 - 09:39am PT
Wishful thinking! That's what I was talking about.

We use words to reduce our ideas. Words are obsolete, words are flat.

White men can't jump. But they will always buy new threads.
QITNL

climber
Sep 10, 2013 - 10:03am PT
The world is ours.

Let's start a better argument.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 10, 2013 - 10:08am PT
I'm sick of all the petty bickering.

You don't think it affects anyone? You're an idiot.


wow, pretty quick to call someone an idiot. And nobody really insulted you.


Not one cool page in this thread? That too, sir, is an insult because it insinuates that there is nothing cool in thousands of pages of good people debating and offing outstanding information.

From here, I don't believe you've read much of this thread because for one, you can't answer an straight-forward question about why you are still on the fence. If you've read several hundred posts on this thread, then you should be able to answer that question with some sort of intelligence. One one or the other, you should be able to tell us why you're on the fence.

You try to sound all cool and coy, but for some reason you come off as being arrogant, and it seems you're just here to stir the pot and get people back to bickering.
QITNL

climber
Sep 10, 2013 - 10:13am PT
Sorry for the smackdown, i was working on my thesis and we ran out of rats. Twinkles!
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 10, 2013 - 10:23am PT
^^^ That's pretty funny, although I'm not sure why.
Malemute

Ice climber
the ghost
Sep 10, 2013 - 10:27am PT
The deniers on this thread are like the noob who constantly sprays "I climbed such & such" and "that climb was easy" and "I climbed with so & so"; yet when you meet them at the crags and give them the sharp end, they get a sudden attack of the runs and bail.
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