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yosemite 5.9

climber
santa cruz
Dec 4, 2013 - 05:56pm PT
shown to scale.  Sunspots are declining into 2020 and are predicted to...
shown to scale. Sunspots are declining into 2020 and are predicted to stay low rest of the century. Borrowed money for nothing spent on avoiding global warming.
Credit: yosemite 5.9
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Dec 4, 2013 - 06:07pm PT
Credit: wilbeer

60f tommorow,NORMAL,my ass.


But ,hey ,were going kayaking!We do not get good sized snow melts often any more.

100 yards from my house
100 yards from my house
Credit: wilbeer
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Dec 4, 2013 - 06:35pm PT
By: Marc Morano - Climate DepotJuly 15, 2013 4:27 PM

Another blogger heard from. Just to balance blogger with blogger,

Marc Morano
Credentials

B.A., Political Science, George Mason University. [1]

Background

In 2009 Marc Morano became the executive director and chief correspondent of ClimateDepot.com, a project of the Committee for a Constructive Tomorrow (CFACT), a conservative think-tank based out of Washington D.C. that has received funding from ExxonMobil, Chevron, as well as hundreds of thousands of dollars from foundations associated with Richard Mellon Scaife. According to 2011 IRS Forms (PDF), Morano was the highest paid staff member with a salary of $150,000 per year. Morano's blog Climate Depot regularly publishes articles questioning man-made global warming. [12], [13], [6]

Although he has no scientific expertise in the area, Morano has become a prominent climate change skeptic. He has been called "the Matt Drudge of climate denial", the "King of the skeptics," and a "central cell of the climate-denial machine." He was also listed as one of 17 top "climate killers" by Rolling Stone Magazine. He has accused climate scientists of "fear mongering," and has claimed that proponents of man-made global warming are "funded to the tune of $50 billion." [15], [16]

From 2006 to 2009 Morano was the communications director for Senator James Inhofe (R-Okla.), the minority chair of the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee. Prior to the last election, Inhofe was the majority chair of the EPW committee. In the 2002 election cycle, Senator Inhofe received more in donations from the oil and gas sector than any other Senator. Sen. Inhofe is known for his infamous quote that the threat of catastrophic global warming is the "greatest hoax ever perpetrated on the American people," and as his communications director, Mornano has spent his recent years propagating this message. [3]
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Dec 4, 2013 - 06:38pm PT
Or, much better, to balance blogger with science, here's the most recent work I've seen about what caused the Little Ice Age (also cited and discussed upthread):

http://www.colorado.edu/news/releases/2012/01/30/new-cu-led-study-may-answer-long-standing-questions-about-enigmatic-little
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 4, 2013 - 07:41pm PT
The Chief, Rick, Ron, anybody... Can you tell me why you think the National Academy of Sciences is lying?


No takers, as expected.



All these AWG deniers, jabber jabber jabber. But when it comes to defending their position (that the world's climate scientists are lying), they can't rub two sticks together.
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Dec 4, 2013 - 07:58pm PT
the perfect gift

http://www.treehugger.com/climate-change/climate-models-calendar.html
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Dec 4, 2013 - 08:07pm PT
Thanks Wade.

Do Libertarians buy gifts?
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Dec 4, 2013 - 10:28pm PT
http://www.thepiratescove.us/2013/12/04/if-all-you-see-970/
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Dec 4, 2013 - 10:47pm PT
Do Libertarians buy gifts?

no. they don't trust Santa to distribute them to those who have earned them.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Dec 4, 2013 - 11:43pm PT
K-man, see the Club of Rome and it's bible, The Limits of Growth, for an answer to why the leadership of the NAS,the U.N, many European Union countries, and many environmental organizations are lying through their rotting teeth. You've drank so much of the koolaid that it might be impossible for you to comprehend, but i can assure the majority of the populace have awoken and are fed up with the idiotic CAGW community and its transparent attempt to tax and control.

Now let's talk reality about climate change.

1. The one constant of climate is change.

2, We live in an epoch called the Holocene which is an interglacial period amidst a 2.5 million period of some of Earths worst glacial conditions in its 4.5 billion year history. The average interglacial lasts 12-14 thousand years. We are due any time for a return to full glacial conditions.

3. Approximately 150 years ago we started to come out of a period known as the Little Ice Age. The average ( if their can ever be such a thing) global temperatures during the LIA was 1.5 to 2C below the holocene typical.

4. There is nothing unusual in the amount or speed of the 20th century temp increase, In fact, the approx. .9C increase since the LIA doesn't even get Earth to average temps enjoyed during the Medieval Warm Period, The Roman Warm Period, or The Holocene Optimum.

5. Numerous proxy records confirm that atmospheric CO2 increase always follows temperature increases. The lag varies from months to millenia but no credible empirical evidence or study has ever been able to refute this lag.Temperature increases trigger natural releases of CO2 from ocean and land.Temperature decreases increases the capacity of the natural ocean and land CO2 sinks and atmospheric content falls.

6. Contrary to what the CAGW wackos claim Earths atmospheric CO2 content has often exceeded today's count of 395ppm without a runaway green house event. The historic periods CO2 content was not fixed at 280 ppm, in fact measurements other than those at Mauna Kea have produced numbers above 400 ppm as early as the 1930's. There were more than 17,000 measurements prior to Mauna Kea.Reconstructions from proxy records (which don't have the resolution to show short term spikes and dips) show a content fluctuating between 210 to 350 ppm over the last 100,000 years. It is undisputed that mans contribution to current atmospheric CO2 content is only approx. 3%.

7. The primary driver of climate is the Sun. The Sun's radiation intensity (TSI) fluctuates up to 1% from periods known as grand minimum's to grand maximum's. During the modern era of satellite measurement the accepted observed 11 year Schwabe solar cycles produced variations not exceeding .2%, but this period was almost completely in one of the most intense solar grand maximums of the last 6000 years. The CAGW wackos have disengenuously adopted not this meager .2% variation, but the even more meager .1% average over the satellite era as the maximum accepted solar variation. This is untrue, from peaks at the previously mentioned Grand Maximum to the depths of Grand Minimum TSI varies up to 1%, or in other words by an order of magnitude more than it is given credit for. A solar variation of 1%, over a period of decades can have a profound effect on average temps. Concurrently with variation of TSI is more pronounced variations in the Solar magnetic field, solar wind speed, and mass ejections. Also buried in this 1% TSI variation are areas of the spectrum, particularly UV that vary up to 10%. UV radiation ionizes molecules in the upper layers of the atmosphere and affecting the troposphere in ways that are understudied, but having distinct effect. Periods of reduced solar magnetic field in turn allows more cosmic rays to penetrate the Earths atmosphere causing up to 10 times the production of cloud nuclei possibly forming increased cloudiness during periods of decreased solar activity. From satellite observation estimates the period from 1987 to 2000 had up to 5% less global cloud cover than periods before or after. This amount of reduction would lead to marked increase in surface temps due to increased radiation penetration. Interestingly this period corresponds to the height of the global warming craze.

8. Second in line for short term (decadal to annual) climate drivers are ocean oscillations. The oceans absorb and store exponentially larger amounts of solar radiation than the atmosphere. These have positive phases warming the atmosphere and negative phases cooling the atmosphere. Some of these phases can be rapid and intense like the ENSO of 1998 which caused an immediate spike in global average temperature, or the positive phase change of the PDO in the 1970's that caused an immediate spike in the northeastern pacific, Chukchi, Beaufort and Arctic ocean and land surface
areas. For the last 12 years the PDO has been in negative phase and temperatures in Alaska have decreased an average of 2.4 degrees at 19 out 20 first order weather stations.

TO BE CONTINUED







Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Dec 4, 2013 - 11:47pm PT
Rick, will you please show the link to that source posting so I can read the entire article?

thanks
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Dec 4, 2013 - 11:57pm PT
The primary driver of climate is the Sun.

That's like blaming the mass of a car for the accident, instead of the drunk driver.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Dec 5, 2013 - 08:08am PT
Chef,no record cold temps,just record warmth today.

I suppose that does not count with you and yours.

There is a conspiracy allright:

Credit: wilbeer
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 5, 2013 - 09:43am PT
K-man, see the Club of Rome and it's bible, The Limits of Growth, for an answer to why the leadership of the NAS,the U.N, many European Union countries, and many environmental organizations are lying through their rotting teeth.


Rick, thanks for jotting down your reasoning. I appreciate the time you've taken to answer.

From what you write, I gather that it's such a large conspiracy that even the scientists don't realize that their data is being skewed by a hidden power. Before it hits their screens, the data is that is being collected on the climate is being jiggered by the few who have the keys to the machines that report the data, and they make it LOOK like things are going warm. When in actuality, it's just a bunch of faked data. How else could there be peer-reviewed papers, where scientists come to the same conclusions using the available data upon which the papers are based.

That's a hard pill to swallow. Especially because we are seeing empirically what the models predict. Now that is some fancy jiggering!

But carry on, I want to see the rest of it!
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 5, 2013 - 09:51am PT
The Chief, record highs followed by record lows.

Does that to you indicate a stable climate, the status quo?



Wait! Before you answer, make sure your Bozo nose is shining red and hasn't fallen out of place from the center of your face.
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Dec 5, 2013 - 10:43am PT
K-man, see the Club of Rome and it's bible, The Limits of Growth, for an answer to why the leadership of the NAS,the U.N, many European Union countries, and many environmental organizations are lying through their rotting teeth.

From this I gather that you've never seen The Limits to Growth. But what have you been told that it contains?
jammer

climber
Dec 5, 2013 - 12:33pm PT
topo cred...
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Dec 5, 2013 - 10:25pm PT
Ed, your rebuttal is boiler plate idiocy. Many of your questions will be answered in the continuation.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Dec 5, 2013 - 10:31pm PT
then rebut Ed's post, Rick

take it apart, clearly and carefully, in detail

no clever little irrelevant personal digs, no emotional diatribes....

prove most everyone wrong when they say you don't have the intellect to do so


time to finally man up, rick

take it apart, clearly and carefully, in detail

or STFU, the choice is yours
Malemute

Ice climber
the ghost
Dec 5, 2013 - 10:33pm PT
prove most everyone wrong when they say you don't have the intellect to do so
he can't because he's a dunce
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