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paganmonkeyboy

climber

mars...it's near nevada...

Aug 17, 2009 - 09:12pm PT

gobee...
it seems to me that you are preaching more for your own insecurities than because you really believe any of this.

I'm going to ask you nicely to stop. this is not the place.

if you were smart you would understand this truth and react accordingly.

otherwise I'm going to post a 800 px wide goatse every single time you post anything. maybe you will find jesus inside...

capiche ?

Karl Baba

Trad climber

Yosemite, Ca

Aug 17, 2009 - 10:11pm PT

"Man, this is a tough room . . . "

Seems like it's sort of an edgy time. I hope we all give each other a break.

Here's one Jesus sort-of principle I'd consider in choosing whether to flame or poach the OP.

Consider whatever standards you follow for your own thread creation and personal posting. If you post any random BS and slag, I'd let the brother post what he wants to share and let it rise or fall based on whether people are interested.

(that said, sounds like he was planning on a daily post, which is sort of like saying "I'm staking out %5 of the front page for my own cause and keeping it bumped" I'm not sure I'd be too supportive of anybody doing that with any OT subject>

Now a generic political thread and a generic religious thread is a great idea to allow folks to share their stuff without making a mess of the forum, that's not what we're talking about here.

peace

Karl

Ghost

climber

A long way from where I started

Aug 18, 2009 - 12:31am PT

Here's one Jesus sort-of principle I'd consider in choosing whether to flame or poach the OP.

Something interesting about this one Karl is that there really isn't much flaming or nastiness. A bunch of folks have -- fairly politely -- asked the OP not to post this kind of stuff, and a few others (me included) have posted pictures or cartoons that take an opposite view of religion to that posted by the OP.

Not really much to complain about in the grand scheme of things.

If I post something and a bunch of people -- politely, remember -- suggest that they'd rather not see that kind of thing again, then I might sulk for a bit, but I'd get the message.

My $0.02

David

jstan

climber

Aug 18, 2009 - 12:40am PT

Spurred by the delightful readings here given I have inquired about the Koran.
It turns out the Koran was written after Christ’s time and contains many of the
stories and personnages in the Bible. Indeed stories in the Bible later found to
be incorrect are given in the Koran, including the original errors. Leading to
speculation among the faithful that God had intentionally misled Mohammed
giving him less than the absolute truth.

The source linked here also discusses the wonders wrought by God allowing
Mohammed, who could neither read nor write, to document God’s words
perfectly in the Koran.

We are blessed in that none of these kinds of questions revolve around our own
sacred texts.

Some initial background material.

http://mb-soft.com/believe/txo/koran.htm

The Koran, Qur'an or Qoraan
General Information

The Koran, or Qur'an (Arabic for "recital"), is the Sacred Scripture of Islam.
Muslims acknowledge it as the actual words of God revealed to the Prophet
Muhammad between c.610 and his death (632). The text contains 114 chapters
(suras), arranged--except for the opening sura--approximately according to
length, beginning with the longer chapters.

The Koran, termed glorious and wonderful (50:1; 72:1), describes itself as a
healing and mercy, as light and guidance from God (17:82; 27:77; 41:44; 42:
52), as the absolute Truth (69:51), and as a perspicuous Book sent down from
heaven in Arabic (12:1-2), part by part (17:106; 25:32), upon Muhammad.
Presented as a blessed reminder and an admonition to people everywhere (21:
50; 38:87; 80:11-15), it calls for grateful recognition of the many signs, around
us and in us (51:20-21), of the goodness of him from whom all good comes (4:
79) and urges a total commitment to him who alone is God (112:1-4).
Announcing Judgment Day as the final fulfillment of God's threat and his
promise (21:97-104), it warns evildoers and those who are ungrateful (17:89;
25:50) but brings good tidings to those who accept the guidance to the
straightest path (17:9) and who live in accord with its message and its
commandments (regarding marriage and divorce, children and inheritance,
lawful foods, spoils of war, and so on). The text asserts that its message is
neither a human invention (as its inimitability proves, 17:88) nor an innovation,
since it confirms and clarifies the Scripture that Jews and Christians had
received earlier (3:3; 5:15, 48; 35:31).

Gobee

Trad climber

Los Angeles

Topic Author's Reply - Aug 28, 2009 - 02:24pm PT

jstan,

Question: "Do Christians and Muslims worship the same God?"

Answer: The Muslim and Christian views of God have many similarities. Muslims and Christians agree that there is one God who is the Creator of everything in the universe. Both view God as sovereign, omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent, holy, just, and righteous. In these ways, the Christian and Muslim views of God are the same. However, there are also significant differences between Islam and Christianity’s view of God. While Allah (Allah is the Muslim and Arabic word for God) possesses the attributes of love, mercy, and grace, Allah does not demonstrate these attributes in the same manner, or to the same degree, as the God of Christianity.

The most important difference, though, between the Muslim and Christian view of God is the concept of the Trinity. Christians believe that God has revealed Himself as one God in three Persons: God the Father, the Son of God (Jesus), and the Holy Spirit.

God’s Son became a human being, Jesus Christ, to take away the penalty and power of sin by dying on the cross. After rising from the dead, Jesus went back to heaven to be with His Father. He sent His Spirit to teach men the truth through His Word, the Bible. One day, Christ will return to judge the earth; those who have trusted in Him will go to heaven, but those who have rejected Him must be separated in hell from the holy God.

Therefore, the belief in the Trinity is essential to the Christian faith. Without the Trinity, there is no incarnation of God in the Person of Jesus Christ. Without Jesus Christ, there is no salvation for sin. Without salvation, sin condemns all to hell. In Islam, Allah is not triune and does not have a son. Therefore, because of this key disagreement with the Christian faith, Muslims are not worshipping the God of Christianity.

So, instead of the question, "do Christians and Muslims worship the same God?" - a better question would be, "Do Christians and Muslims both have a correct understanding of who God is and what He is like?" To this, the answer is a definitive no. Because of crucial differences between the Christian and Muslim concepts of God, the two faiths cannot both be true.

Because the Bible provides the solution to sin, we believe that Christianity has the correct view of God. Becoming a human being, God’s Son died to pay for the sin of those who trust in Him. “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life” (John 3:16).

apogee

climber

Aug 28, 2009 - 02:26pm PT

Bleeccch. Please stop doing that.

reddirt

climber

Elevation 285 ft

Aug 28, 2009 - 02:54pm PT

the width of the original post is very annoying. it'd be forgivable if it were some scenic money shot.

oh well. it's friday. time to party :D

jstan

climber

Aug 28, 2009 - 05:01pm PT

"Because the Bible provides the solution to sin, we believe that Christianity has
the correct view of God."

It is such a relief to hear that Christians believe they have "The correct view" of
god.

I am a little bothered though by the fact Christians also believe they are living
according to the rules laid out in the bible. Their beliefs seem to be rather hit
and miss.

Oh and I looked John Arthur up on the net, expecting to hear about someone
who died in 1850. No by golly! He is still around and I can even send him
money and get his stuff!

This is the first proof of the existence of god I have ever received.

If there were no god I would expect getting John Arthur's stuff would be
difficult.

As it is, it is unbelievably convenient.

So there you have it. After 2000 years, we finally have proof.

maldaly

Trad climber

Boulder, CO

Aug 28, 2009 - 06:38pm PT

Saw a great bumber sticker today. It went something like this:

Jesus Loves You

Everyone Thinks You're An Asshole

Gobee

Trad climber

Los Angeles

Topic Author's Reply - Aug 28, 2009 - 07:32pm PT

What do you call it then when that guy pulled the teeth, cut off the fingers, and stuffed his ex wife in a suit case? (sin)

Or that couple that kid napped the girl and held her captive for 20 years?(sin)

But we have all sinned, that's what a Christian is admitting to God. But Jesus came and took are place for are sins, and forgives us.

That is the greatest love there is!

saa

Social climber

SF Bay Area

Aug 28, 2009 - 07:50pm PT

"Because of crucial differences between the Christian and Muslim concepts of God, the two faiths cannot both be true. "

So the Muslims hold the truth? I knew it, I knew it...

cintune

climber

the Moon and Antarctica

Aug 28, 2009 - 10:24pm PT

Gobee

Trad climber

Los Angeles

Topic Author's Reply - Aug 28, 2009 - 10:33pm PT

Thanks cintune,

That's Bad!

apogee

climber

Aug 28, 2009 - 10:45pm PT

Gobee, you are approaching the religion-equivalent of 'shut up and pull'. Quit while you're ahead.

TGT

Social climber

So Cal

Aug 28, 2009 - 11:23pm PT

I find it a bit unsettling that there's a mob hysteria over a traditional Cristian view.

I don't find it any different on most levels than Karl's babbles or Werner's mythologies that don't (although from all logic they should)provoke the same kind of venom. But then it's fashionable to be vehemently anti Christian.

But, you don't need John MacArthur or anyone else to tell you what Christ said.

apogee

climber

Aug 28, 2009 - 11:29pm PT

"But, you don't need John MacArthur or anyone else to tell you what Christ said."

Good point. So why is it necessary for Gobee to spray this sh*t here on a regular basis?