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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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From first hand experience I can tell you that if a Peregrine doesn't want you around, you aren't staying around.
Talons at 100+ mph, inches from your scalp will greatly stimulate your immediate retreat from the neighborhood.
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Captain...or Skully
Social climber
way, WAY out there....(OMG)
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My buddy Phil & I got chased off Chimney Rock Spire by a pissed falcon.
It was kinda scary. We fled.
But, in Boise we have pergrines nesting downtown, on the US Bank building.
Crazy birds.
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survival
Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 2, 2009 - 10:38pm PT
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Wow thanks t*r.....geez..
At least I put a couple links in!
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Willoughby
Social climber
Truckee, CA
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Did somebody say "talons?" Some crappy shots of Tahoe's own:
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PhotogEC
climber
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Jul 10, 2009 - 03:06pm PT
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Bump... any pictures of your new neighbors yet?
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survival
Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 10, 2009 - 03:23pm PT
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None.
My mistake too. Premature identification.
After much closer scrutiny through the binos, turns out it is a family of Kestrel. I thought they seemed a bit small.
I never realized that they were that close in appearance....sheesh, and me with a fair amount of time around peregrins too. I just WANTED them to Peregrins, so they were.
I feel a bit sheepish...
It's still very cool though and Michael will be here on Monday to help me try for some photos.
I hope the teenagers are still here on Monday.
My apologies gang.
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Jingy
Social climber
Flatland, Ca
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Jul 10, 2009 - 03:24pm PT
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then you are in violation... you must eveacuate the premises, immediately, or face sanctions and or other penalties!!!
good luck with that
fattrad Edit: "You sound like some of my common sense republican friends :)" - Is there such an animal?
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ec
climber
ca
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Jul 10, 2009 - 03:44pm PT
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right, peregrines don't nest in trees...
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PhotogEC
climber
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Jul 10, 2009 - 03:45pm PT
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That's too bad, but it makes sense... didn't think that peregrines typically nested like that.
Still cool, though--much more so than the doves that have taken up residence in a planter on my back porch (although my daughter loves them).
You should still post some pics when you have them.
--Eric
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survival
Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 10, 2009 - 03:50pm PT
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ec,
actually Peregrins USED to nest in tree cavities with some regularity, but there hasn't been a sighting of such for quite awhile.
I actually looked it up.
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couchmaster
climber
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Jul 10, 2009 - 03:57pm PT
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The Warbler said: Further evidence that falcons, peregrine and prairie, actually like people, especially climbers.
Seriously.
At our crag, the prairies chose to nest exactly where there had been the most climbing activity that spring. Within 15 ft of the anchors atop pitch 3 of two routes, either side of nest. We voluntarily gave them space for their family, but the massive closure made by the USFS is idiotic. USFS biologists claim they need a half mile radius of no human activity for 7 months a year to successfully breed. I swear they fly by and greet us when we arrive to climb. Try telling that to a bird freak. Survival, you should document the nest you describe, to add to research into the effects of human activity on falcon nesting. There's none out there, and wildlife nazis (thanks, bluering) are taking advantage of that fact, trying to convince the public that falcons are terrified of climbers. After private property, nesting falcons are the primary obstruction to fun on the crags. Scientific research into their tolerance for humans could change that.
Interesting. There is a local climber up here, Jim Opdycke, who climbed at Beacon rock extensively with the Peregrines before they started closed the rock to climbing. He mimics those thoughts and your paragraph almost word for word Kevin. Later, the Fish and Wildlife people started initiating peregrine closures, but now that they are no longer endangered, but just "threatened", it is near making Jim (and others as well) apoplectic knowing what he knows about climbers and the birds co-existing while the climbers are still banned even when the birds are not anywhere near the vicinity during that time period.
Evidence that you just nailed it also appears on CascadeClimbers this spring. Link: http://cascadeclimbers.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/877913/OUTER_SPACE_Falcon_Nesting_Clo#Post877913
The birds just showed up to nest on a ledge right in the path of climbers on perhaps THE most popular climb in the state of Washington: the Uber classic Outer Space in Icicle Creek Canyon. The first climbers to report seeing them up there were shocked and surprised to be staring eyeball to eyeball mere feet away from a Peregrine next to an egg. The climber: Lisa, reports "When I reached Library Ledge, the female falcon charged over and threatened me with outspread wings, sharp talons and beak. I was able to put in a gear anchor, and when the bird realized that I intended no harm she backed away." They were equally surprised that the bird was not agitated in anyway, but appeared curious. Great picture on that post as well I'll copy it here:
They said they moved on as quickly as possible, but they must have shared the ledge with the bird for easily over a 1/2 hour till they could clear off. Amazing.
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ec
climber
ca
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Jul 10, 2009 - 04:01pm PT
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thx. I suppose that is more like the normal 'scrape' on the stone. When people refer to a 'nest' it usually means, like with sticks/twigs or whatever. Peregrines don't make typical birds nests in trees.
 ec
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climbingreen
climber
Where I Am
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Jul 10, 2009 - 04:11pm PT
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Last month in City of Rocks I was repetetively divebombed by what I thought to be a falcon, but was most likely a goshawk... and right on the Flaming Rock trailhead, too!
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the Fet
Supercaliyosemistic climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Jul 10, 2009 - 06:48pm PT
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We just had a Swainson's Hawk take up residence in our yard. Pretty cool.
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ec
climber
ca
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Jul 10, 2009 - 07:19pm PT
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Peregrines & climbers (people) do co-habitate well EXCEPT during the time of incubation. Some of you are too foolish to recognize that if you are within that prescribed radius closure a bird bursting out of the nest site to check you out could break eggs that may possibly thinned shells (from pesticides, etc.). Nest sites are normally unpadded (called a scrape) and right on the stone. Don't worry there are many other places to climb. It doesn't always have to be about you...
ec
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the Fet
Supercaliyosemistic climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Jul 10, 2009 - 07:23pm PT
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^^ good post.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
Monrovia, CA
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Jul 10, 2009 - 09:09pm PT
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ec,
I don't think many here would want to see any birdies harmed. In my research for my court case I found a fair bit of research done overseas that was pretty clear that a few hundred feet either side of a 'nest' was plenty adequate for birds and climbers. The stuff I read was largely in agreement that what freaks them out the most is anything above the nest.
On this side of the pond it seems that land managers don't believe in reading or acknowledging research that doesn't jibe with their 'jive-assed' closure boundaries.
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couchmaster
climber
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Jul 20, 2009 - 11:19am PT
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Outer space opened last week. Beacon Rock opens the 22nd this year. Reilly, is that "court Case" thingy a story you want to share?
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Jul 20, 2009 - 12:02pm PT
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Yo, Kevin, do you have the contact info for Dr. Rob Ramey?
We may need his insights here in the Bay Area regarding a permanent rock closure due to nesting raptors.
I hear the guy is a field biologist, climber, and somewhat of a specialist in raptor nesting.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Jul 20, 2009 - 12:09pm PT
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That would be cool, Kevin. This is regarding the Summit Rock closure that is listed on the Access Fund's site.
We also have a thread or two here covering it.
spratico@gmail.com is my email
Thanks, Kevin!
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