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survival
Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
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Topic Author's Original Post - Jul 2, 2009 - 02:43pm PT
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There is a huge old growth NM bosque cottonwood towering over my house. We've seen a pair of Peregrines coming and going, and then started thinking we were hearing youngins'.
Today we finally spotted their nest in a hole way up high in this old tree!
I don't have a camera with a lense that'll reach out enough anymore......AAARRRGGGHHH!!!
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PhotogEC
climber
Pasadena, CA
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That is incredibly cool.
If you're interested enough, many camera stores have a rental department... you can rent a body and long lens for a day or week.
If you go that route, be sure to post some pics here.
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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hey there say, survival... wow... it is surviving in survival's tree.... oh my... :)
say, i am very happy for you... :)
say--edit--would it make a news story... and they could take a pic...
or, sadly, would folks then come and do it harm... :(
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Reilly
Mountain climber
Monrovia, CA
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I strongly advise you not to tell a soul! The wildlife nazis will make you move out and the birdwatchers will be knocking on your door at all hours! Never heard of a peregrine nesting in a cavity before but I guess it could happen. Good luck!
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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hey there reilly... oops, i had not thought of that, either...
another no-no, for speaking up, i reckon...
oh my...
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Nefarius
Big Wall climber
Fresno
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What really sucks is that you're going to have to buy a second home now, so you have somewhere to go from April through August...
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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The wildlife nazis will make you move out and the birdwatchers will be knocking on your door at all hours!
Bwahhaahah!!! I was thinking the same thing.
(it could happen)
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survival
Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 2, 2009 - 02:57pm PT
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OK, mums the word outside of here....derrrrrrrr...
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Reilly
Mountain climber
Monrovia, CA
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"(it could happen)"
No, bluey, it's gonna happen.
It was 25 flippin' years ago I was busted there. Me, a card-carrying birdbrain, er, birdwatcher. I was going up the ridge to the south of the Shield to solo the Haystack and continue on to the top of Sandia. A freaking undercover pine fuzz stepped out from behind a tree! I checked it out on GoogleEarth recently and I was just shy of 3/4 mile horizontally from the Shield, a 1000' face! On top of that the ridge I was on was separated from the Shield by a huge canyon! Yeah, those peregrines up on the Shield were really worried about me.
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survival
Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 2, 2009 - 03:27pm PT
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They certainly didn't seem to mind us on the PO or the NA, cruising by close to check us out, landing nearby, etc.
Of course that was eons ago, they must've learned to be afraid since then.
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kev
climber
CA
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I don't know who annoys me more, the nature-nazis or the eco-terrorists....
Don't tell anyone about your visitors...
kev
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survival
Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 2, 2009 - 04:01pm PT
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"Jus kiddin..."
BWA HA Hahahahaa!!
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SteveW
Trad climber
The state of confusion
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Neato, Bruce.
Post some pictures!
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Warbler's right, survival, some video documentation would be helpful to others that are trying to prove that Peregrines CAN nest successfully around human activity.
"Wildlife nazi's" was Reilly's term, but I agree with it.
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msiddens
Trad climber
Mountain View, CA
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Dood, eminent domain. You'll be homeless in days.
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
Sprocketville
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send a raccoon loose up there, drop him in by parachute, or hang glide him in there, that way the tree fuzz will think it is natural pedators climbing the food chain.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
Monrovia, CA
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Don't yous guys read anything I post? I've told you a thousand times, ok at least twice, there is research out there. It is just that the wildlife nazis (my term!) choose to ignore it because it doesn't 'work' for them. The other reason is it wasn't done 'here' so I guess those Euro and Aussie peregrines don't communicate with their 'tard US cousins.
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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hey there ekat.. say, my mom and i always loved to go hike and look for falcons and hawks, or whateever was out there...
saw lots of turkey vultures--this was all in san jose..
but say, in south texas we saw the neatest birds...
i really enjoyed seeing the flickers and woodpeckers put holes in my papayas... (well, until they wrecked too many papayas that i had long waited to eat) ... ;)
say, if you love birds, you need to check-out the chachalaca, of south texas... a big bird, and not very colorful but fun to see and hear....
good luck, survival, on surviving your "nesting" experience...
wow, from the look of it, it may get more wild from the people-folk than the bird's parent-folk...
god bless...
hope you get some pics, too...
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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From first hand experience I can tell you that if a Peregrine doesn't want you around, you aren't staying around.
Talons at 100+ mph, inches from your scalp will greatly stimulate your immediate retreat from the neighborhood.
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Captain...or Skully
Social climber
way, WAY out there....(OMG)
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My buddy Phil & I got chased off Chimney Rock Spire by a pissed falcon.
It was kinda scary. We fled.
But, in Boise we have pergrines nesting downtown, on the US Bank building.
Crazy birds.
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survival
Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 2, 2009 - 10:38pm PT
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Wow thanks t*r.....geez..
At least I put a couple links in!
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Willoughby
Social climber
Truckee, CA
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Did somebody say "talons?" Some crappy shots of Tahoe's own:
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PhotogEC
climber
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Jul 10, 2009 - 03:06pm PT
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Bump... any pictures of your new neighbors yet?
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survival
Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 10, 2009 - 03:23pm PT
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None.
My mistake too. Premature identification.
After much closer scrutiny through the binos, turns out it is a family of Kestrel. I thought they seemed a bit small.
I never realized that they were that close in appearance....sheesh, and me with a fair amount of time around peregrins too. I just WANTED them to Peregrins, so they were.
I feel a bit sheepish...
It's still very cool though and Michael will be here on Monday to help me try for some photos.
I hope the teenagers are still here on Monday.
My apologies gang.
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Jingy
Social climber
Flatland, Ca
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Jul 10, 2009 - 03:24pm PT
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then you are in violation... you must eveacuate the premises, immediately, or face sanctions and or other penalties!!!
good luck with that
fattrad Edit: "You sound like some of my common sense republican friends :)" - Is there such an animal?
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ec
climber
ca
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Jul 10, 2009 - 03:44pm PT
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right, peregrines don't nest in trees...
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PhotogEC
climber
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Jul 10, 2009 - 03:45pm PT
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That's too bad, but it makes sense... didn't think that peregrines typically nested like that.
Still cool, though--much more so than the doves that have taken up residence in a planter on my back porch (although my daughter loves them).
You should still post some pics when you have them.
--Eric
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survival
Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 10, 2009 - 03:50pm PT
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ec,
actually Peregrins USED to nest in tree cavities with some regularity, but there hasn't been a sighting of such for quite awhile.
I actually looked it up.
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couchmaster
climber
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Jul 10, 2009 - 03:57pm PT
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The Warbler said: Further evidence that falcons, peregrine and prairie, actually like people, especially climbers.
Seriously.
At our crag, the prairies chose to nest exactly where there had been the most climbing activity that spring. Within 15 ft of the anchors atop pitch 3 of two routes, either side of nest. We voluntarily gave them space for their family, but the massive closure made by the USFS is idiotic. USFS biologists claim they need a half mile radius of no human activity for 7 months a year to successfully breed. I swear they fly by and greet us when we arrive to climb. Try telling that to a bird freak. Survival, you should document the nest you describe, to add to research into the effects of human activity on falcon nesting. There's none out there, and wildlife nazis (thanks, bluering) are taking advantage of that fact, trying to convince the public that falcons are terrified of climbers. After private property, nesting falcons are the primary obstruction to fun on the crags. Scientific research into their tolerance for humans could change that.
Interesting. There is a local climber up here, Jim Opdycke, who climbed at Beacon rock extensively with the Peregrines before they started closed the rock to climbing. He mimics those thoughts and your paragraph almost word for word Kevin. Later, the Fish and Wildlife people started initiating peregrine closures, but now that they are no longer endangered, but just "threatened", it is near making Jim (and others as well) apoplectic knowing what he knows about climbers and the birds co-existing while the climbers are still banned even when the birds are not anywhere near the vicinity during that time period.
Evidence that you just nailed it also appears on CascadeClimbers this spring. Link: http://cascadeclimbers.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/877913/OUTER_SPACE_Falcon_Nesting_Clo#Post877913
The birds just showed up to nest on a ledge right in the path of climbers on perhaps THE most popular climb in the state of Washington: the Uber classic Outer Space in Icicle Creek Canyon. The first climbers to report seeing them up there were shocked and surprised to be staring eyeball to eyeball mere feet away from a Peregrine next to an egg. The climber: Lisa, reports "When I reached Library Ledge, the female falcon charged over and threatened me with outspread wings, sharp talons and beak. I was able to put in a gear anchor, and when the bird realized that I intended no harm she backed away." They were equally surprised that the bird was not agitated in anyway, but appeared curious. Great picture on that post as well I'll copy it here:
They said they moved on as quickly as possible, but they must have shared the ledge with the bird for easily over a 1/2 hour till they could clear off. Amazing.
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ec
climber
ca
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Jul 10, 2009 - 04:01pm PT
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thx. I suppose that is more like the normal 'scrape' on the stone. When people refer to a 'nest' it usually means, like with sticks/twigs or whatever. Peregrines don't make typical birds nests in trees.
 ec
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climbingreen
climber
Where I Am
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Jul 10, 2009 - 04:11pm PT
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Last month in City of Rocks I was repetetively divebombed by what I thought to be a falcon, but was most likely a goshawk... and right on the Flaming Rock trailhead, too!
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the Fet
Supercaliyosemistic climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Jul 10, 2009 - 06:48pm PT
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We just had a Swainson's Hawk take up residence in our yard. Pretty cool.
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ec
climber
ca
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Jul 10, 2009 - 07:19pm PT
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Peregrines & climbers (people) do co-habitate well EXCEPT during the time of incubation. Some of you are too foolish to recognize that if you are within that prescribed radius closure a bird bursting out of the nest site to check you out could break eggs that may possibly thinned shells (from pesticides, etc.). Nest sites are normally unpadded (called a scrape) and right on the stone. Don't worry there are many other places to climb. It doesn't always have to be about you...
ec
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the Fet
Supercaliyosemistic climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Jul 10, 2009 - 07:23pm PT
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^^ good post.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
Monrovia, CA
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Jul 10, 2009 - 09:09pm PT
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ec,
I don't think many here would want to see any birdies harmed. In my research for my court case I found a fair bit of research done overseas that was pretty clear that a few hundred feet either side of a 'nest' was plenty adequate for birds and climbers. The stuff I read was largely in agreement that what freaks them out the most is anything above the nest.
On this side of the pond it seems that land managers don't believe in reading or acknowledging research that doesn't jibe with their 'jive-assed' closure boundaries.
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couchmaster
climber
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Jul 20, 2009 - 11:19am PT
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Outer space opened last week. Beacon Rock opens the 22nd this year. Reilly, is that "court Case" thingy a story you want to share?
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Jul 20, 2009 - 12:02pm PT
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Yo, Kevin, do you have the contact info for Dr. Rob Ramey?
We may need his insights here in the Bay Area regarding a permanent rock closure due to nesting raptors.
I hear the guy is a field biologist, climber, and somewhat of a specialist in raptor nesting.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Jul 20, 2009 - 12:09pm PT
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That would be cool, Kevin. This is regarding the Summit Rock closure that is listed on the Access Fund's site.
We also have a thread or two here covering it.
spratico@gmail.com is my email
Thanks, Kevin!
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Nefarius
Big Wall climber
Fresno
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Jul 20, 2009 - 12:41pm PT
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"climbers are less likely to report nesting if they see a pattern of unreasonable closures."
Pretty much spot on. I have seen a peregrine in a local climbing area, a number of times now, and am not saying anything about it to anyone, for this reason alone.
I agree with having a reasonable closure, close to what Warbler is talking about upthread. Blanket closures (of 7 months and permanently like in the Castle Rock area) are BS tho. Period.
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steelmnkey
climber
Vision man...ya gotta have vision...
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Jul 20, 2009 - 12:43pm PT
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They close the entire face of Granite Mountain every year, no exceptions, from approx Feb. 1st to July 15th. When it reopens, it's usually too hot to climb up there (unless you're hard core) for the next few weeks. This is what they posted announcing that it was open again (recently):
"Effective Wednesday, July 15, 2009, climbing and other activities on the cliff face of Granite Mountain and Thumb Butte will once again be open to the public. It is not yet known if the peregrines were successful nesters this year. We are still waiting to hear observation results from some volunteers and visitors."
So the climbing season at GM is shaved down to a measly couple of months and they don't even know if any birds nested. Classic FS b.s. How about them depending on "visitors" to tell them if the birds nested? Frankly, I think they just put the ban in place and then forget all about it.
We won't even talk about how the cliff is like a half a mile wide and they won't even entertain the idea of just closing the middle section where the birds traditionally nest. I don't have a problem with helping out the falcons, but this blanket ban crap is idiotic and always has been.
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Bruce Morris
Social climber
Belmont, California
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Jul 21, 2009 - 02:02pm PT
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At Summit Rock, I don't think County Parks even consulted a wildlife biologist regarding the blanket closure. They just got a requisition for an extra ranger to patrol the place on Sundays and posted a bunch of signs. The Sanborn Skyline County Parks Trails Master Plan speaks vaguely about State Department of Fish and Game "guidelines". No ornithologist or wildlife biologist is ever cited. IOWs: The just shut it down because they could; probably just to be mean because they don't like climbers period.
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survival
Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 21, 2009 - 02:07pm PT
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The youngsters have started hunting now. They still come back to the tree in the evenings.
Kevin,
I would be glad to talk to an "eggspurt" about how they reacted around here. Bro-box when I was outside doing chores, lawnmower, kids running around. We sure didn't seem to worry them much at all.......
Oh, by the way. I will have some pix developed before long also!!
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Captain...or Skully
Social climber
way, WAY out there....(OMG)
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Jul 21, 2009 - 02:12pm PT
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You still using an old school camera, there, Bruce?
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The Wedge
Boulder climber
Bishop, CA
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Jul 21, 2009 - 02:53pm PT
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Man, I here those things nest in the BIG CITY, NY. Maybe we should just evac. NY and DC while we are at it. Pigions meat sounds tasty to me.
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survival
Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 21, 2009 - 02:56pm PT
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Captain,
I actually borrowed a cool lens from a climber out here!
I'll fill y'all in later.
B
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Jul 21, 2009 - 03:04pm PT
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The do nest in cities, but the chicks/fledges suffer a quite high mortality rate in them. Last year's chicks nesting under the I-5 bridge over the Wilamette River here in Portland both ended up in the drink and had to be rescued by passing boaters, cared for at Audobon, and relocated off the bridge so they could try again.
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