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Nefarius
Big Wall climber
Fresno
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Jul 20, 2009 - 12:41pm PT
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"climbers are less likely to report nesting if they see a pattern of unreasonable closures."
Pretty much spot on. I have seen a peregrine in a local climbing area, a number of times now, and am not saying anything about it to anyone, for this reason alone.
I agree with having a reasonable closure, close to what Warbler is talking about upthread. Blanket closures (of 7 months and permanently like in the Castle Rock area) are BS tho. Period.
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steelmnkey
climber
Vision man...ya gotta have vision...
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Jul 20, 2009 - 12:43pm PT
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They close the entire face of Granite Mountain every year, no exceptions, from approx Feb. 1st to July 15th. When it reopens, it's usually too hot to climb up there (unless you're hard core) for the next few weeks. This is what they posted announcing that it was open again (recently):
"Effective Wednesday, July 15, 2009, climbing and other activities on the cliff face of Granite Mountain and Thumb Butte will once again be open to the public. It is not yet known if the peregrines were successful nesters this year. We are still waiting to hear observation results from some volunteers and visitors."
So the climbing season at GM is shaved down to a measly couple of months and they don't even know if any birds nested. Classic FS b.s. How about them depending on "visitors" to tell them if the birds nested? Frankly, I think they just put the ban in place and then forget all about it.
We won't even talk about how the cliff is like a half a mile wide and they won't even entertain the idea of just closing the middle section where the birds traditionally nest. I don't have a problem with helping out the falcons, but this blanket ban crap is idiotic and always has been.
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Bruce Morris
Social climber
Belmont, California
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Jul 21, 2009 - 02:02pm PT
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At Summit Rock, I don't think County Parks even consulted a wildlife biologist regarding the blanket closure. They just got a requisition for an extra ranger to patrol the place on Sundays and posted a bunch of signs. The Sanborn Skyline County Parks Trails Master Plan speaks vaguely about State Department of Fish and Game "guidelines". No ornithologist or wildlife biologist is ever cited. IOWs: The just shut it down because they could; probably just to be mean because they don't like climbers period.
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survival
Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 21, 2009 - 02:07pm PT
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The youngsters have started hunting now. They still come back to the tree in the evenings.
Kevin,
I would be glad to talk to an "eggspurt" about how they reacted around here. Bro-box when I was outside doing chores, lawnmower, kids running around. We sure didn't seem to worry them much at all.......
Oh, by the way. I will have some pix developed before long also!!
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Captain...or Skully
Social climber
way, WAY out there....(OMG)
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Jul 21, 2009 - 02:12pm PT
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You still using an old school camera, there, Bruce?
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The Wedge
Boulder climber
Bishop, CA
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Jul 21, 2009 - 02:53pm PT
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Man, I here those things nest in the BIG CITY, NY. Maybe we should just evac. NY and DC while we are at it. Pigions meat sounds tasty to me.
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survival
Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 21, 2009 - 02:56pm PT
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Captain,
I actually borrowed a cool lens from a climber out here!
I'll fill y'all in later.
B
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Jul 21, 2009 - 03:04pm PT
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The do nest in cities, but the chicks/fledges suffer a quite high mortality rate in them. Last year's chicks nesting under the I-5 bridge over the Wilamette River here in Portland both ended up in the drink and had to be rescued by passing boaters, cared for at Audobon, and relocated off the bridge so they could try again.
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