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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Boulder, CO
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Jun 25, 2009 - 08:05pm PT
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I liked the guy....he was never convicted of any crime other than having a f*#ked up childhood and adult life.
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GDavis
Trad climber
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Jun 25, 2009 - 08:17pm PT
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Just the final chapter of a sad, sad story. Regardless of the allegations, i just feel really bad for the guy. What happened to him during his childhood, all the events leading up to his issues with his appearances and the demons as it were that found facets to squeak out, slowly at first, then all together like an avalanche cascading out of control... just horrible to watch someone I idolized as a kid grow fall apart.
I don't know if its a good thing or a bad thing, but I'll always remember watching his music videos on Betamax and copying his moves, and hopefully the bad stuff will fall by the wayside.
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Nefarius
Big Wall climber
Fresno
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Jun 25, 2009 - 08:17pm PT
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I see a lot of irony here... People talking about not judging and compassion, right after (or before) they judged the man, in the same paragraph. Saying his "actions" are inexcusable, he has to live with consequences, talking about Jesus Juice, etc. IS judging him. Just pointing that out.
I for one didn't buy anything that was said by the freaks testifying against him. Their stories constantly changed, they were caught in numerous HUGE lies, as were prosecuters, and on and on... I was incredibly surprised when he was acquitted, nonetheless. Most celebrities in this country are tried by the media, and the jury simply follows suit. It was a good day to see that the jury, who saw that the prosecutions' "case" simply didn't exist, had the balls to do what was right and just.
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saa
climber
berkeley, ca
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Jun 25, 2009 - 08:26pm PT
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Largo rules. Thank you for setting things straight.
If weirdoes were out, which climbers would be our role models? How would we feel when they die?
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Jun 25, 2009 - 08:26pm PT
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He was one of the greatest.
We all have strange skeletons in the closet, who can throw the first rock?
What a sad, sad day it has been. I will miss him. He was getting ready to make a come-back. We will all miss so much.
I will never understand death even though I understand what it is physically and intellectually. But why? I don't know. God does.
MJ God's peace.
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cintune
climber
the Moon and Antarctica
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Jun 25, 2009 - 08:48pm PT
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Fletcher
Trad climber
the end of the world as we know it, & I feel fine.
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Jun 25, 2009 - 08:49pm PT
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Hey Nefarius,
I see what you mean about judging. I didn't mean my post to come across as judging by me specifically. I really don't know MJ other than what I read about him in the media and what his music was. I can't really render a judgment on that. I was speaking more on a level of what he had to live with (as we all do). MJ knew what he did with his life and he had to deal with that. I don't know what that was or wasn't, but on some level, I'm sure he did.
Peace,
Eric
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
Sprocketville
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Jun 25, 2009 - 09:45pm PT
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if you don't like somebody's music, or you are like normal people who like to rip on the rich and famous, then the personal problems, of course.
so a lot of people are happy, a lot of people are sad.
he did put out some of the best dance music in the world, and he could dance like nobody's bussiness since he was a kid.
and he usually records the first take on vocals.
everybody tries to copy jackson, from jagger to maroon 5, and all points in between.
he was the standard to be judged against for dance and sing.
the only other person who could give michael a run for the money was james brown.
so there is some dancin goin on somewhere, i just don't know where.
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nick d
Trad climber
nm
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Jun 25, 2009 - 09:54pm PT
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Nice of t*r to refer to MJ as "it".
Reflect on this, perhaps using the perspective of the recent politically motivated assasination of Dr.Tiller.
The first step you take on the road to acting inhuman yourself is the de-humanization of the "other". Once you've convinced yourself of the monstrosity of your target, you will free to do whatever it takes.
After all, it's good against evil, right? Sound familiar?
The question is, where does the evil really lie? Better not look too hard in the mirror, because if you are honest enough you will see some in yourself.
I would like to be more human and I know that does not involve de-humanizing others. Hate talking doesn't get anybody anywhere.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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Jun 25, 2009 - 10:16pm PT
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Binks
Social climber
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Jun 25, 2009 - 10:36pm PT
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it's mere cruelty to rip on MJ. the man obviously suffered immensely during his lifetime from personal demons and parasitic attackers. and now some people want to heap on even more? that's really bad karma folks... he still managed to produce art that meant a lot to many people. i hope he finds redemption and peace in the afterlife.
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Lacey
Social climber
Boise, Idaho
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Jun 25, 2009 - 10:57pm PT
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Ditto Binks.................
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jiff
Mountain climber
autin, texas
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Jun 25, 2009 - 11:19pm PT
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ditto squared
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stevep
Boulder climber
Salt Lake, UT
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Jun 25, 2009 - 11:41pm PT
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Off the Wall and Thriller were very good albums. The rest of it, not so much.
Clearly the guy was very troubled, and part of me feels sorry for him. Roughly the same part that feels sorry for Britney Spears.
However, it's pretty hard for me to get past even a hint of child sex abuse, as that's such a horrible crime. Fattrad, while I respect your opinion on this, I don't see how you or your friend can possibly be 100% certain unless he was there 100% of the time when kids were there.
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rockermike
Mountain climber
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Jun 26, 2009 - 12:03am PT
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I don't know if you'll believe this but I don't think I have ever knowingly heard or watched MJ perform - just heard all the weird news about him. Well, making up for lost time, here he is
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oT_TyK1Eh8
not too impressed and not sure what people saw in him, but sad story it is RIP
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Largo
Sport climber
Venice, Ca
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Jun 26, 2009 - 12:18am PT
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Fattrad wrote:
"stevep,
He was there 100% of the time.
"I was with him 24/7," LaPerruque was able to tell me. "I had a key to his room at all times, and I was never told not to use it."
It's pleasant think that just maybe, MJ was bad-rapped from the beginning, that people (me included) looked at his utter freakness and imagined him doing horrible things. It's all quite a shame, but at least we have his (early) music.
JL
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Jun 26, 2009 - 12:25am PT
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This whole thing is sad. What he had and what he devolved into. Just sad.
The dude obviously had issues. It sucks ass anytime ANYONE dies. Especially troubled souls like him.
Rest in peace, dude! I hope someone 'normal' looks after his kids.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Jun 26, 2009 - 12:36am PT
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Binks writes:
"it's mere cruelty to rip on MJ."
It's called the Wages Of Wierdness.
You admit on TV to sleeping with other people's kids and this is what follows you to your grave. Society is funny that way.
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Tom
Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
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Jun 26, 2009 - 12:38am PT
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I heard he hired Lou Ferrigno to be his personal trainer, as he got into shape for his upcoming tour. Now, this might be libelous, but Ferrigno by all appearances was a world-class steroid shooter back in the day. Even now, with steroids being illegal, Ferrigno most likely approaches physical training as being at least partially chemical.
So, he was probably ram-feeding the King of Pop all manner of "performance supplements", perhaps close cousins to banned substances like androstenedione, ephedra, and Hydroxy-Cut.
In any case, one of the strangest things a very strange Michael Jackson could have done is died so young. He, ostensibly, had access to the most expensive, highest quality healthcare. And he had obviously been to the doctor many, many, many times.
But, maybe that was what finally did him in: too many hours under the anesthetists' gas, and too many hours hooked up to painkiller IV drips.
My final vote is that Michael Jackson was the best, ever, at what he did. He was the ultimate song and dance man, and will probably not be surpassed for a very long time. His influence is beyond question.
That Moonwalk thing he did, just to take one famous example, was a very convincing optical illusion dance move. It immediately created a pop cultural shockwave, with everybody (even Don Ameche) trying to ride it. I don't know anybody who hasn't tried, at least once, to do that Moonwalk dance move.
Maybe someone, someday, will Moonwalk the Lost Arrow Spire slackline.
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Jun 26, 2009 - 12:39am PT
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Rockermike - am I to assume that you never listened to top-40 radio?
Or perhaps you were born a lot later than knott?
I absolutely loved this song when it came out - I think MJ was 11 or 12 at the time:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOXG8wtxx_w
(don't miss the break at 1:44)
Here's a excerpt from wiki on the song:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ABC_(song);
"ABC" was a 1970 number-one hit song by The Jackson 5. "ABC" was written with
the same design as "I Want You Back", and was first heard on American Bandstand
in February 1970. The song also knocked The Beatles song "Let It Be" out of the
number one spot on the Billboard Hot 100 that same year.
Despite the fact that he later turned into a sad freak show, he'll likely forever have the biggest selling record of all time.
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