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mooser
Trad climber
seattle
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Nice TR, Ghost! What was it like in the sun? Is it still as big and bright as I remember?
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 7, 2009 - 01:01pm PT
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The Stronghold is adventure climbing and may it always remain so
I fully agree. My comments were not of the "There should be a better guidebook!" variety. More of a musing on the bizarre nature of the beta that gets posted on the internet. It should be part of the SuperTopo Credo that if we hear of anyone planning to publish a guidebook to places like Cochise and the Needles we should tar and feather them, ride them out of town, and burn all their notes.
What was it like in the sun? Is it still as big and bright as I remember?
It was beautiful. 70-degree temps and a good breeze. And as I write this it's snowing in Seattle. SNOWING!!! In mid-March! Arrghhhh.
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Wayno
Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
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No sheeit, the snow in March thing is a bit strange even for Seattle. I'll take a warm rain anytime soon. Nice TR, David, but you guys remind me of how pale we are up here. I need a trip down south, soon.
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mooser
Trad climber
seattle
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JT (Cochise for kiddies) in April! But I'll probably fry my pale face on day one.
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BrassNuts
Trad climber
Boulder Colorado
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Cochise is an awesome place with a special energy. For the most part, Cochise is great 'adventure climbing', but there are quite a few clip ups to be had at a number of crags, some of which are even a bit squeezed I might say... So, head on down whether you're a crack technician, a slab nut or a bolt chaser - there are good times to be had!
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Looks like a great area. Certainly drier and hotter than the local crag in Dalkey.
But you also have something 'we' don't - rattlesnakes. Isn't that area suppose to be full of them. Sorry, my snake phobia rising its hideous head.
I'd like to climb at Cochise one day.
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MisterE
Trad climber
One Place or Another
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We certainly weren't acting very "grown-up" a few weeks ago at the Sushifest there!
8^o
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 7, 2009 - 08:31pm PT
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Certainly drier and hotter than the local crag in Dalkey.
On the other hand, you can probably climb at Dalkey in the five months from May through September.
Kinda the same thing here. Squamish, Index, pretty much anything in the Vancouver/Seattle area, sucks in the winter. Places like Cochise seem like salvation. But come summer... I mean, really, is there anywhere you'd rather climb in the summer than Squamish? (Or maybe Dalkey. I don't know anything about Dalkey) I think there are people who climb in the summer in J-Tree, Cochise, etc, but it's not clear they have any functioning brain cells.
We certainly weren't acting very "grown-up" a few weeks ago at the Sushifest there!
And there's no way I'm grown-up enough to climb serious routes at Cochise. J-Tree is about all I can handle at my advanced stage of decreptitude. I'd fit right in with Locker & Dwain.
David
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Crimpergirl
Social climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Here you go Patrick...here is one we saw in November. We were hiking up to a wall in Cochise and rounded a corner. Dave almost put his hand on this guy. He happily stopped his hand just in time and uttered a sound that only comes from humans when surprised by a snake!
We had to wait a little while for this guy to move out of the way. There was no going around him, and neither of us were willing to leap over him!
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justthemaid
climber
Los Angeles
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Cochise pics. That place ROCKS!
P.S. Mr. E is dragging me out to Sedona on Fri so there will be more to follow.
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SteveW
Trad climber
The state of confusion
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What was in that pack, Ghost?
Looks like you had a refrigerator size there. . .
Keeping the beverages cool, eh?
Good idea!
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 9, 2009 - 11:37am PT
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What was in that pack?
Next to nothing. One 8.2mm rope, a very light rack, plus shoes harness, chalk bag and water. The other rope, the draws, and the other shoes, harness, chalk bag, and water were in my pack.
It's actually not a huge pack, but it does look that way in the picture, doesn't it?
D
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Larry
Trad climber
Bisbee
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Mar 11, 2009 - 02:09pm PT
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Ghost>...if we hear of anyone planning to publish a guidebook to places like Cochise and the Needles we should tar and feather them, ride them out of town, and burn all their notes.
What's the diff, if the info is printed in a book or spewed on the Internet by Boulderites and Californians?
I mean fellow Americans :-)
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east side underground
Trad climber
Hilton crk,ca
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Mar 11, 2009 - 02:26pm PT
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hey scotty how's the guide book going? hehehehe,watch out for the tar and feathers!
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 11, 2009 - 02:29pm PT
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Larry, my comment was kind of tongue-in-cheek. It's nice to have places where one can find great climbing without crowds. Usually, these are places to which there is no readily-available guide, and once a guide is published, the places get more crowded.
But that's life. There will be guidebooks to both the Needles and Cochise before long, as well as to other areas that I don't know anything about, but which are your favorites, or someone else's favorites. Some of the folks here on ST are working on such guidebooks right now, and no, of course I'm not telling them they shouldn't do it.
On the plus side, when a guidebook draws crowds to our old favorite "secret" areas, it pushes us to find new places.
D
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Brian Hench
Trad climber
Laguna Beach, CA
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Mar 11, 2009 - 07:08pm PT
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There is a lot of printed Beta on Wonderland of Rocks and you can still go there just about any time and have it to yourself. Just because people know how to get to a place doesn't mean they have the gumption to go there. Know what I mean?
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Larry
Trad climber
Bisbee
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Mar 11, 2009 - 07:16pm PT
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I take all the information I can get, in whatever form. There's lots of room in the Stronghold. Just trolling for a reaction.
Some people will be upset by guidebooks, but I bet they still buy 'em. Or photocopy them (now THAT is bad).
As Chief Joseph said, the earth doesn't belong to us, we belong to the earth.
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tom woods
Gym climber
Bishop, CA
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Mar 11, 2009 - 08:58pm PT
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no guidebooks? what will we read in the bathroom?
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Mar 19, 2009 - 06:28pm PT
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"Bottom line is if people demand more climbing sh#t, they'll bump it."
bump
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