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ChrisW
Trad climber
boulder, co
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Yea, I hung out with Shawn a little bit. STOPPED right away. He was all Trouble. I agree, he still has a good heart.
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wildone
climber
GHOST TOWN
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Hey Locker, we get it. You Don't like him. Thanks.
"He who is without sin, let him cast the first stone."
Sound familiar?
I hate religion, especially christianity, but I think the above is solid advice.
When Shawn was about 12, he was being made to buy speed for his mom, and doing it with her, realized the path he was on, found out about emancipation, got the forms together, got her WHACKED out on speed, and had her sign his "permission slip" for a "school field trip". Been on his own, raising himself ever since.
Did that happen to you? Seems like that old idiom about walking a mile in someone else's shoes may be appropriate. I think back to when I was 12, and if I was sleeping in allleys, stealing to eat...yeah, may affect my development as a human.
All things considered.
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rlf
Trad climber
Josh, CA
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Who gives a sh#t. I get so sick and tired of the pathetic excuse that someone had a lousy childhood. He's an adult now. Time to grow up. I've had numerous discussions with him over the years. He could care less about doing ANYTHING to improve himself.
He belongs in jail.
Flush him.
I'll just bet you'll be waiting for him with open arms to let him stay at your place unsupervised while cleans you out.
Wow, what a "good heart".
Oh brother.
Hi, I'm a dumb f*#k, I know you had a bad childhood, but I'll forgive you for ripping me off.
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
New York, NY
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and a good joke it was!
I wish an eventual bottom for the guy(who I have never met and only know about through some who have met him), that he can finally begin to build a life from the ruin.
From what people have said, it sounds like he has quite a high level pain tolerance. Many people never hit that bottom, and die without ever having lived the new life(which I know some people here have gotten the chance to do).
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TradIsGood
Chalkless climber
the Gunks end of the country
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That was a good joke, too, if unintentional.
Which of the ones here have died?
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Chapstick
Trad climber
Cali
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Too bad for Shawn. He might have stolen from many people but he did nothing but give to me. He does have a good heart. I suppose there is a good and bad side to everyone.
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klinefelter
Boulder climber
Bishop, CA
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How does one compare a petty thief to a serial killing cannibal?
Locker, STFU. You add nothing to the discussion but noise.
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Anastasia
climber
Not here
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People can change... They just need a combination of hitting bottom, getting counseling and having a reason to change. It takes a whole lot, but it can happen.
I feel sad because Shawn is creating his own hell, I hope he can one day pull himself out of it.
As for Shawn getting out soon... California's Proposition 184 won't allow that. In certain cases, a person with two prior felony convictions has been charged with a third felony for committing a minor shoplifting crime.
If one of the two previous felony charges had involved stealing in any manner then the shoplifting conviction, thus upgraded to a felony, would result in a mandatory sentence of 25 years to life in prison under the three-strikes law.
AF
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Reilly
Mountain climber
Monrovia, CA
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Well, I think Locker is right about the enabling thing. I've twin bros. One lives in a kick-ass house in Frisco, CO and skis every day. His twin lives in a junk yard in Wilmington, CA, literally. The latter has had so many opportunities to get it right handed to him on a silver platter it makes you just shake your head. I don't even take his calls any more except when my wife shoves the phone at me; I know he's just scamming.
Locker is right- they are like junkies- you can't help 'em if they don't want to help themselves. Don't enable!
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Chaz
Trad climber
Boss Angeles
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Re-read the law, Anastasia.
They gotta be VIOLENT felonies to count as *strikes*.
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atchafalaya
climber
Babylon
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It takes more than just a felony conviction. The conviction must qualify as "serious" or "violent" under the Penal Code. The usual term for violating parole is called a "bullet", as in "eat a bullet", and is one year. If he had committed only petty theft, they would probably dismiss the new criminal charges, and violate his parole. However, he is facing grand theft, a felony. He would also qualify for a prior prison enhancement, of an additional 1 year.
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Bullwinkle
Boulder climber
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I took Shawn under my wing his first season in the Valley, turned him on to HiLining (thoses dbl pulleys on his rig are mine) Beyond not returning my pulley's he's never been anything but a friend to me. I feel he has a good heart, many others do not feel this way because of their personal experince's with him.
It's not my place to make judgement's of others, this is something I try to work on everyday. The man is in jail and there is no need at this time to talk about him on a public forum. Can't this thread be deleted and we post about. . . .climbing? DF
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Anastasia
climber
Not here
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Bullwinkle,
I agree with you... This thread should be deleted. What is going down is extremely unfortunate for all of us.
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Please have some empathy people... This world isn't black and white and... It isn't easy for any of us. Add a few soul wounds and many of us might be walking the same path.
Plus, this has catastrophic implications...
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It is true that "Life Imprisonment" under the California Three Strikes Law is only used for "violent crimes." Yet... Crimes that are "not violent" will still be given "25 years imprisonment" under the Three Strive Law.
While a felony conviction can be a disaster anywhere, the California Three Strikes Law is especially severe—making California the worst state in which to face a felony conviction.
California Penal Code section 667, the “Three Strikes and You’re Out” felony law,
requires that repeat offenders face increasingly elevated punishment.
If a defendant has one strike and is convicted of a second, a limit on good behavior sentence reductions is imposed.
A previously convicted felon facing “second strike” sentencing automatically faces a doubled prison sentence—before sentencing is even read.
If a defendant has two strikes and is convicted of a third, “Three Strikes” comes into full effect, and the accused is automatically sentenced for 25 years to life in prison without the possibility of parole.
Under California Penal Code section 666, (Petty Theft with a Prior), a person previously convicted of a theft-related crime faces California felony penalties if he/she commits another theft-related crime. This means that a “two strikes” defendant charged with a minor shoplifting misdemeanor will be upgraded to a felony charge—and 25 years to life in prison.
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Chaz
Trad climber
Boss Angeles
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The first two *strikes* need to be VIOLENT FELONIES.
There's a list of the specific *strikes* somewhere.
Just being a rip-off won't earn Shawn any strikes.
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Anastasia
climber
Not here
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(Source: http://www.lao.ca.gov/analysis_1995/3strikes.html);
California's Three Strikes Law
The Three Strikes law significantly increases the prison sentences of persons convicted of felonies who have been previously convicted of a violent or "serious felony," and limits the ability of these offenders to receive a punishment other than a prison sentence.
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Most Offenders Charged With Nonviolent, Nonserious Offenses.
Data we reviewed show that during the first eight months of implementation about 70 percent of all second- and third-strikes are for nonviolent and nonserious offenses.The types of offenses cover a very wide range. The largest single category of third-strike charges is burglary (defined as a serious offense), although it accounted for only 12 percent of the total.
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Chaz
Trad climber
Boss Angeles
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It's not going to apply to Shawn, Anastasia.
Trust me. I know.
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chez
Social climber
chicago ill
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The DA here in Mono County is a climber and a staunch Republican.
I have a feeling Shawn will get what he deserves.
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susan peplow
climber
www.joshuatreevacationhomes.com
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Like Neal said, he's got problems.
He probably is a kleptomaniac in the true sense of the disorder.
No way does someone chose to behave that way, that much for so long.
I feel bad for those who have suffered loss to his hands but I find myself thinking what an utter waste it is for him, his family and the community at large.
Guy needs help but if it were me that he poached from forgiveness would be difficult.
~Sooze
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Russ Walling
Social climber
Upper Fupa, North Dakota
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The simple recipe:
murderers: chop off head
sex offenders: chop off shank
thieves: chop off hands
choss pile FA'ists: chop off bolts
hippies: chop off hair
weed smokers: chop off tiedye
I would forgive him if he had his hands chopped off.
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Anastasia
climber
Not here
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People earn their sentences and I do believe in rehabilitation. Maybe this is the bottom he needs to hit in order for him to change his life around. I just hope that whatever happens that our society is protected and he gets the help he needs.
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