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adamiata
Ice climber
Candia, NH
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Jan 30, 2009 - 07:32am PT
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She's not anonymous anymore...
Your user name is what gave you away.
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UncleDoug
climber
No. Lake Tahoe, CA
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Jan 30, 2009 - 10:07am PT
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"Come on, think of the other guy for once in your life.
Geesh.
Greedy ba#t@rds. "
This.....coming from you?!?
Skip, you truly are proof inbreeding is a bad thing.
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Forest
Trad climber
Tucson, AZ
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Jan 30, 2009 - 10:48am PT
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that seems like a huge logical leap...
Gee, that's the only huge logical leap in this thread? How about most of the OP?
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Brunosafari
Boulder climber
Redmond, OR
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Jan 30, 2009 - 10:58am PT
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Personally, I love children.
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Ottawa Doug
Social climber
Ottawa, Canada
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Jan 30, 2009 - 10:59am PT
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Tolman_Paul, that picture is awesome!
Doug
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Forest
Trad climber
Tucson, AZ
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Jan 30, 2009 - 11:26am PT
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http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/01/30/mother.octuplets/index.html?eref=rss_topstories
Clearly something is up probably an illegal mexican that was getting her drugs for free, living in a 2 bedroom house with her parents and her 6 welfare children
well, according to the article:
"Suleman said she was concerned about her daughter's homecoming because her husband, a contract worker, is due to return to Iraq."
Personally, it strikes me as an absurdly irresponsible number of kids to have, but none of the above immigrant bashing conjecture seems to be true at all.
Make up sh#t much?
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Brunosafari
Boulder climber
Redmond, OR
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Jan 30, 2009 - 11:34am PT
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Thankyou Forest.
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Porkchop_express
Trad climber
thats what she said...
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 30, 2009 - 11:55am PT
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its actually called speculation. and yes, i, along with all humans do that frequently. Note the use of the word "probably" in the OP...which is not to be foisted over as definitive data but merely a rant of sorts. Your speculation leads you to believe that "immigrant bashing" is taking place here when the remarks in the OP are from my girlfriend who is a legal immigrant from the Dominican Republic. Insensitive? Sure- but no one is bashing immigrants-simply bashing the fact that so many illegal ones are getting benefits from the government without contributing to the tax pool. That last bit is my own rant, as a taxpaying citizen.
That said, if this heifer who gave birth is as white as wonder bread it makes her wastefulness no less repugnant.
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Brunosafari
Boulder climber
Redmond, OR
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Jan 30, 2009 - 12:03pm PT
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Ha that's funny Porkchop! Speakin' of human, ?es posible su novia Dominica quieres niņos o un niņo solamente?
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Forest
Trad climber
Tucson, AZ
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Jan 30, 2009 - 12:08pm PT
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Pardon me. I'll be more specific then: "Mexican bashing"
Why wasn't there any speculation that she might be a right wing christian evangelical to whom the idea of destroying some of the embryos after they all successfully implanted (usually, only a a few or less do) was considered murder?
I can't believe that I'm coming across as somehow defending an individual who's chosen to have such a stupidly crazy number of kids.
But the whole "probably an illegal mexican immigrant on welfare getting free drugs chanting OBAMA" was pretty offensive all the way around.
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reddirt
climber
subarwu
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Jan 30, 2009 - 12:08pm PT
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It's not her ethnicity I'd question, it's her species... I mean 8 is on the higher end. for canines. It may or may not be relevant but 24hrs/day ÷ 14 kids = 1.7hrs/kid/day
Anywhooo.... for the curious & ppl w/ extra time:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/01/30/earlyshow/health/main4764432.shtml
Octuplets' Family Filed For Bankruptcy
Source: Also Abandoned A House; L.A. Times: Mom Had Embryos Implanted; Ethicist Blasts Clinic That Did
BELLFLOWER, Calif., Jan. 30, 2009
(CBS) CBS News has learned that the family of the octuplets born this week outside Los Angeles filed for bankruptcy and abandoned a home a little over a year-and-a-half ago.
Early Show national correspondent Hattie Kauffman says the mother is in her mid-thirties and lives with her parents.
There's been no mention of the octuplets' father, Kauffman observes.
The grandfather, she adds, is apparently going to head back to his native Iraq to earn money for the growing family. He told CBS News he's a former Iraqi military man.
Kauffman reported Thursday, and the octuplets' maternal grandmother now confirms to the Los Angeles Times, that the babies' mother already had six young children.
And a family acquaintance had told Kauffman that two of the six other kids are twins, and the six range in age from about two to about seven.
The mother's name is still being kept under wraps.
But her mother, Angela Suleman, also tells the newspaper her daughter conceived the octuplets through a fertility program.
Suleman told the Times her daughter had embryos implanted and, "They all happened to take."
On The Early Show Friday, the scientific director of an Atlanta-area fertility clinic blasted whichever clinic did the implantations, saying he's "stunned."
Doctors at the hospital where the octuplets were born, Kaiser Permanente Bellflower Medical Center in Bellflower, Calif., some 17 miles southeast of L.A., say the patient came to them already three months pregnant.
Asked at a news conference whether fertility assistance should be provided for a mother who already has multiple children, Dr. Harold Henry, part of the team that delivered the octuplets, said, "Kaiser has no policy on that, adding that doctors counseled the woman on her options.
"The options," said Henry, "were to continue the pregnancy or to selectively abort. The patient chose to continue the pregnancy."
Dr. Karen Maples, who also helped deliver the octuplets, read a statement from the mother saying, "My family and I are ecstatic about all of their arrivals."
The woman and her children live in a neighborhood of small, one-story homes, Kauffman reports, all with two-to-three bedrooms at most. Soon, she pointed out, there will be 14 children and at least three adults living in one of the homes -- until the grandfather heads back to his native Iraq,
Kauffman says unanswered questions include where the woman got the fertility treatments and how they were paid for.
On The Early Show Friday, Michael Tucker, scientific director of Georgia Reproductive Specialists, says all these developments leave him "stunned. As the story's unfolded and it's gone from the potential use of just fertility drugs, or misuse thereof, to actual, apparently, IVF (in-vitro fertilization) with transfer of embryos, this is just remarkable to me that any practitioner in our field of reproductive medicine would undertake such a practice."
Tucker, who has a doctorate in reproductive physiology, says it's "absolutely" possible the octuplets' mother got pregnant with them by taking fertility drugs on her own without the help of a clinic, "and that seemed the most plausible scenario, simply because the profession, we're policed by the American Society of Reproductive Medicine, has focused so minutely on the fact that we need to reduce the number of embryos that we transfer. We really are all about seeking the one, the one embryo that's going to make the healthy, single-born baby.
"And this kind of multiple plethora excess of babies is too much of a good thing. And it's rather a slap in the face of the whole profession, simply because it's going in the wrong direction.
"And it's unfortunate, because the media pick up on this and seem to go, I think, Arthur Kaplan from UPenn (University of Pennsylvania) said the media tend to go goo-goo gaga over this and, in fact, it's really a bit of a medical disaster."
"Had she walked into a fertility clinic and said, 'Listen, I've got other children, the oldest seven, the youngest two,' co-anchor Julie Chen asked Tucker, "is there any ethical responsibility on the clinic's part to say, 'I'm not going to treat you,' or, 'You know what? This is not a good idea?" '
"Suffice to say," Tucker responded, "I've been in this business for 25 years now. And it's pretty much standard practice in all clinics to have some form of psychological evaluation of the patient. Also, their sociological circumstances. And I'm stunned, actually, that a clinic would proceed to treat a patient in this circumstance and then even to get to perhaps the transfer of embryos and ponder the transfer in, I believe, the lady's mid-30s, a 35-year-old -- she should be receiving two embryos, maximum, as a transfer into her uterus to have had eight transferred is somewhat -- is extremely irresponsible."
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Porkchop_express
Trad climber
thats what she said...
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 30, 2009 - 12:11pm PT
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I'll do you one better...we don't want any children- but if we did they would be paid in full by us, not by anyone else. For what it's worth my Spanish is not great...
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reddirt
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subarwu
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Jan 30, 2009 - 12:11pm PT
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oh yeah... one more thing. Glad my health insurance isn't Kaiser & I don't have to pay into their pool. Not that they didn't do the right thing as she cam to them in her 2nd trimester.
wonder what the total numbers spreadsheet looks like on this case.
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Porkchop_express
Trad climber
thats what she said...
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 30, 2009 - 12:14pm PT
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Illegal Mexican bashing perhaps...the key term being illegal. Legality/citizenship would beg the question of whether or not this person paid into the system from which they were benefiting- which would negate the entire premise of the rant, which I might add is being taken a bit out of context...
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ec
climber
ca
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Jan 30, 2009 - 12:40pm PT
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I just read an article stating that she refused to have embryo reduction on 'moral grounds.' IMO embracing fertility treatment is immoral. Don't mess with Mother Nature...
 ec
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Gene
climber
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Jan 30, 2009 - 01:22pm PT
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Grandma's house in Whittier has three bedrooms, two baths, and 1,559 square feet. Gonna be kinda crowded with 14 kids, Ma, grandma and grandpa. The $450K mortgage might limit the budget for Pampers.
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rectorsquid
climber
Lake Tahoe
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Jan 30, 2009 - 01:59pm PT
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My grandmother gave birth to 13 babies all natural over the course of 20 or so years. I don't think she was doing anything wrong at the time and it's very natural to have as many kids as possible to spread your genetic code around as much as possible.
Only 11 survived past infancy. My mother was the fourth. My older sister and an uncle were born 1 year apart and one of my cousins is older than that same uncle.
Dave
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
Nowhere
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Jan 31, 2009 - 05:49pm PT
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28948599/
Grandma: Octuplets mom obsessed with kids
'Instead of becoming a kindergarten teacher ... she started having them'
LOS ANGELES - The woman who gave birth to octuplets this week conceived all 14 of her children through in vitro fertilization, is not married and has been obsessed with having children since she was a teenager, her mother said.
Angela Suleman told The Associated Press she was not supportive when her daughter, Nadya Suleman, decided to have more embryos implanted last year.
"It can't go on any longer," she said in a phone interview Friday. "She's got six children and no husband. I was brought up the traditional way. I firmly believe in marriage. But she didn't want to get married."
Nadya Suleman, 33, gave birth Monday in nearby Bellflower. She was expected to remain in the hospital for at least a few more days, and her newborns for at least a month.
A spokeswoman at Kaiser Permanente Bellflower Medical Center said the babies were doing well and seven were breathing unassisted.
While her daughter recovers, Angela Suleman is taking care of the other six children, ages 2 through 7, at the family home in Whittier, about 15 miles east of downtown Los Angeles.
She said she warned her daughter that when she gets home from the hospital, "I'm going to be gone."
A mother's dilemma
Angela Suleman said her daughter always had trouble conceiving and underwent in vitro fertilization treatments because her fallopian tubes are "plugged up."
There were frozen embryos left over after her previous pregnancies and her daughter didn't want them destroyed, so she decided to have more children.
Her mother and doctors have said the woman was told she had the option to abort some of the embryos and, later, the fetuses. She refused.
Her mother said she does not believe her daughter will have any more children.
"She doesn't have any more (frozen embryos), so it's over now," she said. "It has to be."
Her daughter wanted to have children since she was a teenager, "but luckily she couldn't," her mother said.
"Instead of becoming a kindergarten teacher or something, she started having them, but not the normal way," he mother said.
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rick d
climber
tucson, az
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Feb 27, 2009 - 06:43pm PT
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so she gets a disability settlement from the state from a 1997 injury, gets 6 kids over time, then another 8 kids at once.
Two or three of the first 6 kids are also on disability claims.
p-s-y-c-h-o
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