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Porkchop_express
Trad climber
thats what she said...
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Topic Author's Original Post - Jan 29, 2009 - 08:44pm PT
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My girlfriend sent me this today whilst I was a work...
http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Mom-of-Octuplets-Lives-with-Parents-Has-6-Other-Kids.html
"14 kids? Seriously there's your answer as to why California is in such great debt. They allow the Dr's to give fertility drugs to women when they already have children which defeats the entire purpose of the drug in the first place. And she want's to remain anonymous when the media loves to give away free sh#t to families of multiples? And doesn't want to discuss if it was fertility drugs or not, well lady I don't think you are a feline or a canine so it biologically impossible for her to have 8 children naturally.Clearly something is up probably an illegal mexican that was getting her drugs for free, living in a 2 bedroom house with her parents and her 6 welfare children chanting OBAMA! OBAMA!
Sorry for the rant this just really irks me and knowing that the hospital bill for the 8 babies is going to be attrocious since claims for a single birth with a 2 night stay would be over 25,000 and she's been in the hospital for 7 weeks and the babies will be there for at least 9 weeks, thats a bill well over 3 million dollars and if by chance she does have insurance most have a lifetime max payout of 1 million which will leave the rest of the bill for the tax payers. They should make the Dr's that are so proud of their CNN moment pay the hospital bill."
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Thorgon
Big Wall climber
Sedro Woolley, WA
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Jan 29, 2009 - 08:59pm PT
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Seems enviromentally unfriendly to me!?
There is a certain religion that encourages
this across the cul-de-sac from us in
Idaho Falls, there were 18 kids between
two households!!!!!
Thor
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Jan 29, 2009 - 09:03pm PT
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The article you cite may not support the conclusions you suggest.
"A British newspaper and CBS News report that the mother who gave birth to octuplets at Kaiser Permenente Medical Center in Bellflower, Calif., already has six children -- including twins -- who are living with her parents while she recovers.
The Sun reported that the mother is 'believed to be Hispanic,' but her identity is being kept a secret; the paper did not cite its source."
It doesn't say that she's Mexican, or an illegal immigrant, or on welfare. Nor does it say that she's permanently living with her parents - only that her existing six children are, for the time being.
I agree that it's absurd for anyone to have six, let alone fourteen, children. Particularly if she was using fertility drugs.
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Porkchop_express
Trad climber
thats what she said...
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 29, 2009 - 09:05pm PT
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18! DAYUM!
However...what adds insult to injury here is that this woman isn't making enough money to even support her self and six other kids...and she has been in the hospital for several weeks which is not cheap.
It is a multifaceted affront to basic human decency and (un)common sense.
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crusher
climber
Santa Monica, CA
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Jan 29, 2009 - 09:08pm PT
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My entire office has been in an uproar about this all day. Apparently this woman is also a single mother. The people who agreed to give her in vitro for these 8 additional kids ought to have their heads examined.
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tolman_paul
Trad climber
Anchorage, AK
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Jan 29, 2009 - 09:12pm PT
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apogee
climber
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Jan 29, 2009 - 09:16pm PT
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You beat me to it, Paul...!
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Mtnmun
Trad climber
Top of the Mountain Mun
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Jan 29, 2009 - 09:29pm PT
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Time to tax people with more than two kids. Hit them where it makes them think before over breeding.
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Dick_Lugar
Trad climber
Indiana (the other Mideast)
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Jan 29, 2009 - 09:50pm PT
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I was just commenting to my wife tonight how time, labor, and material intensive our one yr. old little daughter is...
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Ricky D
Trad climber
Sierra Westside
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Jan 29, 2009 - 10:10pm PT
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Talk about winning the lottery - between the extra exemptions, the Earned Income Credit and the Additional Child Tax Credit - this cow just scored more free tax payer's money than from any job she might have worked.
And the worst thing - she's probably both a Christian and an Republican.
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Porkchop_express
Trad climber
thats what she said...
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 29, 2009 - 10:14pm PT
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that seems like a huge logical leap...
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Ricky D
Trad climber
Sierra Westside
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Jan 29, 2009 - 10:26pm PT
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Yeah - I know.
But god told me I could say that.
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TradIsGood
Chalkless climber
the Gunks end of the country
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Jan 29, 2009 - 10:37pm PT
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How do we decide which ones to kill?
Given that they weren't aborted already, and all?
Republican and Hispanic? Is that possible?
I know. You guys are just joking, too.
Funny!
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Ricky D
Trad climber
Sierra Westside
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Jan 29, 2009 - 10:42pm PT
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Don't kill - that's too barbaric.
But I would agree to limiting the amount of tax breaks and publicly funded assistance one can get after kid number 2.
Sorry for any ranting - but I've been doing volunteer tax work for po' folks the last few weeks and am getting sick and tired of the federal freebies these freeloaders get just for hatching kids.
And yes - they are fatties!
How some ahole with an income of 12 grand a year can afford so much friggin food as to get to 300 pounds of lard is a mystery to me.
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Porkchop_express
Trad climber
thats what she said...
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 29, 2009 - 10:50pm PT
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"How some a-hole with an income of 12 grand a year can afford so much friggin food as to get to 300 pounds of lard is a mystery to me."
HAHAHA too true...
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Barbarian
Trad climber
stealth camping and hiding from the man
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Jan 29, 2009 - 11:35pm PT
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So which of my kids do you vote to kill?
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Jan 29, 2009 - 11:48pm PT
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skipt: "It is a far, far better thing that I do, than I have ever done; it is a far, far better rest that I go to than I have ever known." (Channeling Sidney Carton.)
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nevenneve
Trad climber
St. Paul, MN
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Jan 30, 2009 - 01:35am PT
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I realize tat mootz uh yuz citifyed nd ll butt effer cee khepsacs uv yur kin uf yistryr. Fahrmhowses whear maid fur bhig f'mles. Most geeneiul fulks c#m frum po laharg fameiulis bak wen.
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ß Î Ø T Ç H
climber
the ground up
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Jan 30, 2009 - 02:39am PT
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" I realize tat mootz uh yuz citifyed nd ll butt effer cee khepsacs uv yur kin uf yistryr. Fahrmhowses whear maid fur bhig f'mles. Most geeneiul fulks c#m frum po laharg fameiulis bak wen. "
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adamiata
Ice climber
Candia, NH
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Jan 30, 2009 - 07:32am PT
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She's not anonymous anymore...
Your user name is what gave you away.
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UncleDoug
climber
No. Lake Tahoe, CA
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Jan 30, 2009 - 10:07am PT
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"Come on, think of the other guy for once in your life.
Geesh.
Greedy ba#t@rds. "
This.....coming from you?!?
Skip, you truly are proof inbreeding is a bad thing.
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Forest
Trad climber
Tucson, AZ
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Jan 30, 2009 - 10:48am PT
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that seems like a huge logical leap...
Gee, that's the only huge logical leap in this thread? How about most of the OP?
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Brunosafari
Boulder climber
Redmond, OR
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Jan 30, 2009 - 10:58am PT
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Personally, I love children.
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Ottawa Doug
Social climber
Ottawa, Canada
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Jan 30, 2009 - 10:59am PT
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Tolman_Paul, that picture is awesome!
Doug
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Forest
Trad climber
Tucson, AZ
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Jan 30, 2009 - 11:26am PT
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http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/01/30/mother.octuplets/index.html?eref=rss_topstories
Clearly something is up probably an illegal mexican that was getting her drugs for free, living in a 2 bedroom house with her parents and her 6 welfare children
well, according to the article:
"Suleman said she was concerned about her daughter's homecoming because her husband, a contract worker, is due to return to Iraq."
Personally, it strikes me as an absurdly irresponsible number of kids to have, but none of the above immigrant bashing conjecture seems to be true at all.
Make up sh#t much?
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Brunosafari
Boulder climber
Redmond, OR
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Jan 30, 2009 - 11:34am PT
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Thankyou Forest.
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Porkchop_express
Trad climber
thats what she said...
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 30, 2009 - 11:55am PT
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its actually called speculation. and yes, i, along with all humans do that frequently. Note the use of the word "probably" in the OP...which is not to be foisted over as definitive data but merely a rant of sorts. Your speculation leads you to believe that "immigrant bashing" is taking place here when the remarks in the OP are from my girlfriend who is a legal immigrant from the Dominican Republic. Insensitive? Sure- but no one is bashing immigrants-simply bashing the fact that so many illegal ones are getting benefits from the government without contributing to the tax pool. That last bit is my own rant, as a taxpaying citizen.
That said, if this heifer who gave birth is as white as wonder bread it makes her wastefulness no less repugnant.
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Brunosafari
Boulder climber
Redmond, OR
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Jan 30, 2009 - 12:03pm PT
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Ha that's funny Porkchop! Speakin' of human, ?es posible su novia Dominica quieres niños o un niño solamente?
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Forest
Trad climber
Tucson, AZ
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Jan 30, 2009 - 12:08pm PT
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Pardon me. I'll be more specific then: "Mexican bashing"
Why wasn't there any speculation that she might be a right wing christian evangelical to whom the idea of destroying some of the embryos after they all successfully implanted (usually, only a a few or less do) was considered murder?
I can't believe that I'm coming across as somehow defending an individual who's chosen to have such a stupidly crazy number of kids.
But the whole "probably an illegal mexican immigrant on welfare getting free drugs chanting OBAMA" was pretty offensive all the way around.
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reddirt
climber
subarwu
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Jan 30, 2009 - 12:08pm PT
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It's not her ethnicity I'd question, it's her species... I mean 8 is on the higher end. for canines. It may or may not be relevant but 24hrs/day ÷ 14 kids = 1.7hrs/kid/day
Anywhooo.... for the curious & ppl w/ extra time:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/01/30/earlyshow/health/main4764432.shtml
Octuplets' Family Filed For Bankruptcy
Source: Also Abandoned A House; L.A. Times: Mom Had Embryos Implanted; Ethicist Blasts Clinic That Did
BELLFLOWER, Calif., Jan. 30, 2009
(CBS) CBS News has learned that the family of the octuplets born this week outside Los Angeles filed for bankruptcy and abandoned a home a little over a year-and-a-half ago.
Early Show national correspondent Hattie Kauffman says the mother is in her mid-thirties and lives with her parents.
There's been no mention of the octuplets' father, Kauffman observes.
The grandfather, she adds, is apparently going to head back to his native Iraq to earn money for the growing family. He told CBS News he's a former Iraqi military man.
Kauffman reported Thursday, and the octuplets' maternal grandmother now confirms to the Los Angeles Times, that the babies' mother already had six young children.
And a family acquaintance had told Kauffman that two of the six other kids are twins, and the six range in age from about two to about seven.
The mother's name is still being kept under wraps.
But her mother, Angela Suleman, also tells the newspaper her daughter conceived the octuplets through a fertility program.
Suleman told the Times her daughter had embryos implanted and, "They all happened to take."
On The Early Show Friday, the scientific director of an Atlanta-area fertility clinic blasted whichever clinic did the implantations, saying he's "stunned."
Doctors at the hospital where the octuplets were born, Kaiser Permanente Bellflower Medical Center in Bellflower, Calif., some 17 miles southeast of L.A., say the patient came to them already three months pregnant.
Asked at a news conference whether fertility assistance should be provided for a mother who already has multiple children, Dr. Harold Henry, part of the team that delivered the octuplets, said, "Kaiser has no policy on that, adding that doctors counseled the woman on her options.
"The options," said Henry, "were to continue the pregnancy or to selectively abort. The patient chose to continue the pregnancy."
Dr. Karen Maples, who also helped deliver the octuplets, read a statement from the mother saying, "My family and I are ecstatic about all of their arrivals."
The woman and her children live in a neighborhood of small, one-story homes, Kauffman reports, all with two-to-three bedrooms at most. Soon, she pointed out, there will be 14 children and at least three adults living in one of the homes -- until the grandfather heads back to his native Iraq,
Kauffman says unanswered questions include where the woman got the fertility treatments and how they were paid for.
On The Early Show Friday, Michael Tucker, scientific director of Georgia Reproductive Specialists, says all these developments leave him "stunned. As the story's unfolded and it's gone from the potential use of just fertility drugs, or misuse thereof, to actual, apparently, IVF (in-vitro fertilization) with transfer of embryos, this is just remarkable to me that any practitioner in our field of reproductive medicine would undertake such a practice."
Tucker, who has a doctorate in reproductive physiology, says it's "absolutely" possible the octuplets' mother got pregnant with them by taking fertility drugs on her own without the help of a clinic, "and that seemed the most plausible scenario, simply because the profession, we're policed by the American Society of Reproductive Medicine, has focused so minutely on the fact that we need to reduce the number of embryos that we transfer. We really are all about seeking the one, the one embryo that's going to make the healthy, single-born baby.
"And this kind of multiple plethora excess of babies is too much of a good thing. And it's rather a slap in the face of the whole profession, simply because it's going in the wrong direction.
"And it's unfortunate, because the media pick up on this and seem to go, I think, Arthur Kaplan from UPenn (University of Pennsylvania) said the media tend to go goo-goo gaga over this and, in fact, it's really a bit of a medical disaster."
"Had she walked into a fertility clinic and said, 'Listen, I've got other children, the oldest seven, the youngest two,' co-anchor Julie Chen asked Tucker, "is there any ethical responsibility on the clinic's part to say, 'I'm not going to treat you,' or, 'You know what? This is not a good idea?" '
"Suffice to say," Tucker responded, "I've been in this business for 25 years now. And it's pretty much standard practice in all clinics to have some form of psychological evaluation of the patient. Also, their sociological circumstances. And I'm stunned, actually, that a clinic would proceed to treat a patient in this circumstance and then even to get to perhaps the transfer of embryos and ponder the transfer in, I believe, the lady's mid-30s, a 35-year-old -- she should be receiving two embryos, maximum, as a transfer into her uterus to have had eight transferred is somewhat -- is extremely irresponsible."
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Porkchop_express
Trad climber
thats what she said...
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 30, 2009 - 12:11pm PT
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I'll do you one better...we don't want any children- but if we did they would be paid in full by us, not by anyone else. For what it's worth my Spanish is not great...
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reddirt
climber
subarwu
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Jan 30, 2009 - 12:11pm PT
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oh yeah... one more thing. Glad my health insurance isn't Kaiser & I don't have to pay into their pool. Not that they didn't do the right thing as she cam to them in her 2nd trimester.
wonder what the total numbers spreadsheet looks like on this case.
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Porkchop_express
Trad climber
thats what she said...
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 30, 2009 - 12:14pm PT
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Illegal Mexican bashing perhaps...the key term being illegal. Legality/citizenship would beg the question of whether or not this person paid into the system from which they were benefiting- which would negate the entire premise of the rant, which I might add is being taken a bit out of context...
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ec
climber
ca
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Jan 30, 2009 - 12:40pm PT
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I just read an article stating that she refused to have embryo reduction on 'moral grounds.' IMO embracing fertility treatment is immoral. Don't mess with Mother Nature...
 ec
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Gene
climber
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Jan 30, 2009 - 01:22pm PT
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Grandma's house in Whittier has three bedrooms, two baths, and 1,559 square feet. Gonna be kinda crowded with 14 kids, Ma, grandma and grandpa. The $450K mortgage might limit the budget for Pampers.
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rectorsquid
climber
Lake Tahoe
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Jan 30, 2009 - 01:59pm PT
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My grandmother gave birth to 13 babies all natural over the course of 20 or so years. I don't think she was doing anything wrong at the time and it's very natural to have as many kids as possible to spread your genetic code around as much as possible.
Only 11 survived past infancy. My mother was the fourth. My older sister and an uncle were born 1 year apart and one of my cousins is older than that same uncle.
Dave
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
Nowhere
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Jan 31, 2009 - 05:49pm PT
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28948599/
Grandma: Octuplets mom obsessed with kids
'Instead of becoming a kindergarten teacher ... she started having them'
LOS ANGELES - The woman who gave birth to octuplets this week conceived all 14 of her children through in vitro fertilization, is not married and has been obsessed with having children since she was a teenager, her mother said.
Angela Suleman told The Associated Press she was not supportive when her daughter, Nadya Suleman, decided to have more embryos implanted last year.
"It can't go on any longer," she said in a phone interview Friday. "She's got six children and no husband. I was brought up the traditional way. I firmly believe in marriage. But she didn't want to get married."
Nadya Suleman, 33, gave birth Monday in nearby Bellflower. She was expected to remain in the hospital for at least a few more days, and her newborns for at least a month.
A spokeswoman at Kaiser Permanente Bellflower Medical Center said the babies were doing well and seven were breathing unassisted.
While her daughter recovers, Angela Suleman is taking care of the other six children, ages 2 through 7, at the family home in Whittier, about 15 miles east of downtown Los Angeles.
She said she warned her daughter that when she gets home from the hospital, "I'm going to be gone."
A mother's dilemma
Angela Suleman said her daughter always had trouble conceiving and underwent in vitro fertilization treatments because her fallopian tubes are "plugged up."
There were frozen embryos left over after her previous pregnancies and her daughter didn't want them destroyed, so she decided to have more children.
Her mother and doctors have said the woman was told she had the option to abort some of the embryos and, later, the fetuses. She refused.
Her mother said she does not believe her daughter will have any more children.
"She doesn't have any more (frozen embryos), so it's over now," she said. "It has to be."
Her daughter wanted to have children since she was a teenager, "but luckily she couldn't," her mother said.
"Instead of becoming a kindergarten teacher or something, she started having them, but not the normal way," he mother said.
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rick d
climber
tucson, az
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Feb 27, 2009 - 06:43pm PT
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so she gets a disability settlement from the state from a 1997 injury, gets 6 kids over time, then another 8 kids at once.
Two or three of the first 6 kids are also on disability claims.
p-s-y-c-h-o
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Feb 27, 2009 - 06:43pm PT
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It is unnatural. Period. Full Stop.
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jstan
climber
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Feb 27, 2009 - 07:43pm PT
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Nature's way of dealing with this was to allow children to starve when their parents were unable/unwilling to keep them alive.
We have decided not to follow this strategy while at the same time we have not suggested a better alternative.
Furthermore
If you step back you see our culture now functions only via reducto ad absurdam. We can address issues only when they have progressed to the absurd.
Implantation of this many fertilized eggs in a woman on public assistance with six children is just that.
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bwancy1
Trad climber
Here
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Feb 27, 2009 - 07:57pm PT
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"If you step back you see our culture now functions only via reducto ad absurdam. We can address issues only when they have progressed to the absurd. "
It's like internet porn...hardly anything is shocking anymore.
showed me everybody
naked and disfigured
nothing's shocking...
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Michelle
Trad climber
El Frickin' Paso
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Feb 27, 2009 - 08:51pm PT
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I just want my tax refund..
14 kids is ridiculous
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Ricky D
Trad climber
Sierra Westside
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Feb 27, 2009 - 09:05pm PT
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I can't believe that no one is commenting on Vivid Entertainment's offer to pay her $1 million plus health care for a year if she agrees to star in a porno film.
The catch - she has to have sex with 8 men!!!!!!
Ouch!!!
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ec
climber
ca
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Feb 27, 2009 - 09:07pm PT
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8 scenes, 8 different men
Vivid miscounted. It should be 14 and 14!
ec
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tiki-jer
Trad climber
fresno/clovis
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Feb 28, 2009 - 05:18pm PT
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So I hear Denny's has a new breakfast in honor of the octo-mom.
14 eggs, No Sausage and the people in the next booth pay for it!!
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