Ah yes, voter fraud

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HighDesertDJ

Trad climber

Arid-zona

Oct 14, 2008 - 12:13pm PT

Woody- You have GOT to be kidding me. LEB's posts are rebutted "point by point" again and again and again. Seems like the only defense you guys have is to not read the posts and then pretend that they are nothing but personal attacks.

Also, it's difficult to rebut trolls.

dirtbag

climber

Oct 14, 2008 - 12:13pm PT

"Regardless of the allegations against ACORN and their merits these are the actual facts about Obama's connection to Acorn:

1. He was NEVER a community organizer for them.
2. He provided a total of 2 hours of training for them.
3. He represented them as an outside attorney in a legal case alongside the US Justice Department forcing the State of Illinois to enforce voter access laws. "

Pathetic how they inflate guilt by association. It's all they have left. They can't win on issues.

philo

Trad climber

boulder, co.

Oct 14, 2008 - 12:18pm PT

Excellent WoodStroke! Classic double speak from where the world is still flat.

AND LEB
"We've got to get the job done there and that requires us to have enough troops so that we're not just air-raiding villages and killing civilians, which is causing enormous pressure over there."

Exactly WHAT about that statement indicates the slightest verification of your personal belief of Obama's attitude?

philo

Trad climber

boulder, co.

Oct 14, 2008 - 12:26pm PT

Or do you believe that bombing civilians is effective military strategy and ethical foriegn policy?

HighDesertDJ

Trad climber

Arid-zona

Oct 14, 2008 - 12:27pm PT

Gee LEB. Looks like you're getting a little touchy there. Is it that I post actual information and the best you can do is post quotes that you reinterpret in the worst way possible?

"We've got to get the job done there and that requires us to have enough troops so that we're not just air-raiding villages and killing civilians, which is causing enormous pressure over there."

He's saying that currently we don't have enough troops to do much more than air-raid villages which results in a higher civilian casualty toll than would a proper ground operation. This is a simple fact recognized by top military generals which is why he's saying it. He's saying that the troops need MORE SUPPORT.

Now I think this is pretty clear. In fact I think it's so clear that the only way someone could misinterpret it is if they were:

A. Incredibly stupid

or

B. A huge troll

You have your NP (allegedly) so you aren't incredibly stupid, so that must mean you are intentionally misinterpreting it to be a huge troll.

John Moosie

climber

Beautiful California

Oct 14, 2008 - 12:29pm PT

"You have your NP (allegedly) so you aren't incredibly stupid, so that must mean you are intentionally misinterpreting it to be a huge troll."

Yep... I think she is intentionally trying to get under peoples skins so that she can tthen act all superior when they blow up and she doesn't. Dirt called it. Smug.

HighDesertDJ

Trad climber

Arid-zona

Oct 14, 2008 - 12:31pm PT

LEB if you had been paying any attention at all (which you haven't) you would know that there have been numerous air raids lately that resulted in HUGE numbers civilian casualties because we had bad intelligence and simply bombed the target. That is what he is responding to.

Jim E

climber

Oct 14, 2008 - 12:32pm PT

LEB - "Now here is my very favorite Obama statement which fits right in with your views. Here is a statement made in Aug 2007 by a man (Obama) who would be Commander-in-Chief of the US Armed forces."

"We've got to get the job done there and that requires us to have enough troops so that we're not just air-raiding villages and killing civilians, which is causing enormous pressure over there."

Of course it's your favorite line. It's taken out of context, twisted, distorted, and misinterpreted and supports your forgone conclusion. The way the Republicans are spinning it they are implying that he said our military is targeting civilians when in fact they all know he meant 'accidentally', or as they like to call it 'collateral damage'. Our own military leaders are dismayed over the loss of civilian lives while the Republican mindless flock such as yourself 'explain it away' as acceptable as the end justifying the means. Anyone with half a brain knew what he meant by that statement.

The whole damned Republican party is grasping at straws. They are desperate and unscrupulous so anything goes.

bluering

Trad climber

Santa Clara, Ca.

Oct 14, 2008 - 12:34pm PT

It seems to me there are lots of questions that need answering with regard to this group, ACORN. They appear to be cooperating, but only after they were discovered to be negligent, corrupt, or worse.

From Las Vegas office investigation…
“Some of them used non-existent names, some of them used false addresses and some of them were duplicates of previously filed applications,” (Secretary of State) Walsh said, describing the complaints, which largely came from the registrar in Clark County, Nev. He said some registrations used the names of Dallas Cowboys football players.

From Ohio…
http://news.bostonherald.com/news/2008/view.bg?articleid=1125393&srvc=2008campaign&position=12

I guess we'll see where the investigations go.

John Moosie

climber

Beautiful California

Oct 14, 2008 - 12:38pm PT

"They appear to be cooperating, but only after they were discovered to be negligent, corrupt, or worse. '

BULLSH#T

HighDesertDJ

Trad climber

Arid-zona

Oct 14, 2008 - 12:38pm PT

bluering- The problem with ACORN that I see is that they are paying people to get voter registrations. They are not alone in this as there have been numerous instances in the recent past of republican organizations paying people to get voter registration but they only got paid for the registrations to the republican part and the rest of the forms were simply thrown away.

Paying people to get voter registrations will always result in numerous registrations of the same person and other problems because people have an incentive to get as many registrations as possible.

In any case, as I've stated this has no connection to Obama.

Jim E

climber

Oct 14, 2008 - 12:39pm PT

LEB, Did you ever bother to look up the thread where you blew up at me? You called me names, stomped your feet, and maybe even held your breath.

Edit: Oh yeah, you accused me of stalking you, too.

2nd edit: So don't get all high and mighty holier than thou. You lose it in your own way, almost always.

Mighty Hiker

Social climber

Vancouver, B.C.

Oct 14, 2008 - 12:40pm PT

"consort with Satin"? This I gotta see.

graniteclimber

Trad climber

Nowhere

Oct 14, 2008 - 12:41pm PT

LEB, but do you teach sex to kindergarteners and pal with terrorists? Until then, you aren't part of the "the club."

John Moosie

climber

Beautiful California

Oct 14, 2008 - 12:43pm PT

Republicans support torture. This is fact. Lots of democrats also support torture.

George Bush supports torture. So does McCain.

philo

Trad climber

boulder, co.

Oct 14, 2008 - 12:44pm PT

Sheets or panties Lois sheets or panties?

HighDesertDJ

Trad climber

Arid-zona

Oct 14, 2008 - 12:45pm PT

No LEB, it's just that only a stupid person could see that quote as meaning "our troops are evil and specifically target civilians."

Either that or a huge troll. I went with troll since I'm guessing you're not stupid. But maybe you are it's really up to you.

Mighty Hiker

Social climber

Vancouver, B.C.

Oct 14, 2008 - 12:46pm PT

Anyway, just as long as no one's criticizing hanging chads, Diebold voting "machines", or the Supreme Court - all for proven vote manipulation - it's all good, isn't it? I mean, how can the Republicans win if they don't try the race card?