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The Schmutzvink

climber
The WAY past
Jun 8, 2005 - 12:06am PT
rob, er.. chainsaw.. not sure what you gained by spinning such a yarn (PURE boulderdash). I don't think you are savvy enough to be an inspired troll, so I'll chalk it upon to the empty bleatings of a moron

mater of fact, i think writing such about the pilot- when you KNOW his widow reads this thread is very poor form. you are a very sorry bloke. i think i'll call you up and give you a piece of my mind (chuckle). naw. i think i'll just tell your employer that you are known to spread slander and libel on the internet.
The Schmutzvink

climber
The WAY past
Jun 8, 2005 - 09:53am PT
p.s. I called McDonald's, and they don't care if chainsaw Robbie is an imbecile. They just said make sure he swabs those floors spic and span and keep his hands off the teen-age coworkers.
thumbs

climber
Jun 8, 2005 - 08:48pm PT
What ever became of the wreckage? Was it carried out in pieces, shoved into deep water or left where it was? Is it still up there?
Licky

Social climber
California
Jun 8, 2005 - 09:41pm PT
Thumbs, that's part of the story. The NPS attempted to sue Pam for the salvage costs.
chainsaw

Trad climber
CA
Jun 30, 2005 - 04:13am PT
Hey schmutznick, do you know that the former employer you refer to was found criminally negligent in their management of employee safety? Did you know they were fined? Are you aware that osha shut them down temporarily due to their total negligence of safety? I have copies of the official reports from the consumer affairs division. Did you also know that it was not I but one of their current employees who impregnated a 16 year old co-worker? While at work? Dont throw those stones at me dude. Did you know that one of their auto belays just dropped a kid to the deck unchecked? Want to get in a mudslinging contest with me about that sh#t and see what you get? Those guys are as#@&%es. Plain and simple. Join them since you fit right in!
Licky

Social climber
California
Jun 30, 2005 - 04:54am PT
Ahhh....the drama. This is what keeps "it" alive.
Watusi

Social climber
Joshua Tree, CA
Jun 30, 2005 - 09:23am PT
Whoa!! Me and BVB had our share of that stuff!! It did pack a whallop!
Kofi Donny Annan

climber
darkest of africa
Jun 30, 2005 - 09:39am PT
911 to Chainsaw- take your meds

p.s. nobody cares what you have to say
(tho your entertainment value is akin to watching the aftermath of a bad car crash....
Sketch

Trad climber
Lurking
Jun 30, 2005 - 10:36am PT
He reminds me of that guy in Kentucky Fried Movie.
arete

Trad climber
Estes Park, Colorado
Jul 1, 2005 - 02:24pm PT
The ranting against drug use and users has always struck me as quite interesting. Most of the people I knew in my youth smoked pot and used other "controlled" substances. And yet most of them turned out rather normal (well... as normal as anyone who throws themselves repeatedly against vertical walls of stone could possibly be). I myself gave all that stuff up many years ago. I have also known a few who overdid it and wasted away.
The thing is, those few were highly self destructive individuals and the rest were not. There is a widespread misconception among people (like chainsaw) that drugs destroyed their lives -- TOTALLY UNTRUE -- THEY DESTROYED THEMSELVES.
If I could wave my magic wand and eliminate all controlled substances right this minute, such people would still find a thousand different ways to destroy themselves.... alcohol, paint thinner, violence, psychosis, suicide, rock climbing.... you name it.
I'm very unimpressed by the ranting. Tunnel vision.
Licky

Social climber
California
Jul 2, 2005 - 01:36pm PT
bhilden...if you are still around and reading this, drop me a PM, your email addy doesn't work anylonger.
Sanjan

Boulder climber
a prissy pit
May 28, 2008 - 12:56pm PT
" The ranger who is generally credited with giving out the 411 on the crash lost his life in an "accident" while on a night-time search/rescue. " i remember this part of the story circulating through the valley at the time . the version i heard implicated climbers in the yosar team , but at face-value they would not even have motive . for my own lowly part i only found a piece of the wing when on a backpack trip around the clark range . i wish i'd brought it back to put on ebay .
Meow Now

Trad climber
Emerald City
Jul 9, 2011 - 10:20pm PT
The pot was the crap and produced a massive headache.

I don't know who would have bought this sh#t cuz it was crap; saturated with jet fuel and oil.

At least it went to a good cause. No one deserved it more than the climbers.

Meow Now
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jul 10, 2011 - 12:34am PT
i wish i'd brought it back to put on ebay .

HaHaHa! I bet that woulda brought at least a buck fiddy.

Now, go find Amelia's Lockheed and we'll talk investments.
Linette St Vrain

climber
Apr 21, 2012 - 10:31pm PT
Just wanted to give you yet another side to this tale... I was the Park photographer in the spring of '77. I had just started working for the NPS interp. division on taking slides for the ranger campfire talks and exhibits. A member of the LEO came to me and asked what my photgraphic background was. "I have a BA degree". I replied. So you can take decent photos and attest to their authenticity, he asked. Sure! This was to be my first job in a summer of lots of evidence shots and helicopter rides.
I flew up to the lake the first week in April. to start photographing the operation and recovery. Like the previous author had said, it looked like a surreal landscape. Holes in the Ice, gear everywhere and rangers tagging and bagging it all. I was 23 at the time with no law enforcement experience (none wanted) and I was following the Western Division Chiefs of DEA, NPS, DOJ, FBI and a few other initials I have since forgotten. The Park Service told me not to say anything to anybody when they flew me down a week later and that I was expected to testify in SF later that year. As I walked out of El Cap meadow, people asked me how much dope was still there (lots..) Did they find the pilot (just that day, when I fell through the ice and found the wing) and other stuff that I'm sure the Park Service didn't think anyone knew.
Never heard anymore about it after I turned in the film. Except for one other thing... I took the photos of the recovery of the SAR ranger who died later that year.
John Calkins

climber
Aug 6, 2012 - 10:45am PT
I was the Camp 4 ranger at the time and did not die on a night rescue...My friend, Jack Dorn, a climber on the rescue site did during an early morning rescue at Lost Arrow Direct...
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Aug 6, 2012 - 12:17pm PT
The rumor as told by Chainsaw is pretty laughable, but then we all love a good
laugh. If the weed had been grown in California it makes zero sense to drive
it to Columbia in order to load it into a unique airplane for delivery within
the US. If nothing dope dealers are rational and all about the bottom line.
Why transport the dope in a very expensive airplane with all its attendant risks?
A truck is much cheaper and trucks always fly below the radar. Now the use of
the plane to bring it in from Mexico makes good sense - risky but acceptable.
BobDodds

Trad climber
VA
Aug 30, 2013 - 08:01pm PT
That year, coincident with Airplane money, lots of Valley climbers happened to come to Eldorado Springs. I talked to Vern Clevenger, Kevin Worrall, and Del Johns, in Eldorado Springs. Kevin was staying at Mike Lowe's stone house at the end of the road. I knew Vern and Del from the Valley, and had a picture of Kevin Worrall climbing Stoned Groove just before I did. Del and "Roger" had been with me, I think, on what was probably everybody's first climb one spring.

Del worked at Yvon Chouinard's GPIW. One day around the same time Del was in Colorado, Chouinard himself was at Lowe Alpine Systems talking to Jeff and Mike Lowe. I went climbing with Del in Eldorado Springs and Boulder Canyon. The first day, Del told me about Jack Dorn, from Grand Junction I believe, whom we had known in the Valley. Del also said that Roger, last name forgotten by me, was in prison for pharma grade coke.

Jeff Long was there as well, and he mailed a non-fiction story about California climbers not climbing, to Playboy magazine. I had met Jeff in 1971 or 1972 in a backyard on the northeast corner of CU--he threw the football and our mutual friend George Mainzer and I took turns at receiver and defender. After Jeff had tried that, he changed to fictional story about a Colorado free solo climber, and the rest about the plane crash and Jack falling, as if he had fallen off the wide trail Yosemite Falls, and Lost Arrow.

I wondered if Roger really found much cocaine at a drug store, and how a climber could fall off an atv trail.

Kevin said he soloed Stovelegs on LSD. I never met any good climbers who used meth, though, as far as chainsaw here. Before climbing, I had opted out of everything but a little mj, after using Hawaiian woodrose, STP, DMT, mescaline, psylosibin, LSD, PCP, as a CIA brat. I remember Paraquat, so maybe you can rate Airplane versus Paraquat.

I thought climbers should have money, because we belonged, like eagles in the sky, and bears in the C4S parking lot. I remember that Jim Bridwell got in trouble at the mountain shop, and I did not think of those who worked there as being as worthy of income. When I worked at EMS in Boston, everybody was stealing, including the CEO, who stole the business from a family. When we had a sale at Denver EMS, one of the top insiders walked out with $100k cash and left the checks and credit cards for IRS. Back in Boston, a guy with handlebar stache and an afghan hound and a Bentley, assumed to be above material needs, was removing an equal amount of cash for every credit card slip he ever handled. Three guys started a shop in the Sierras with kayaks and stuff they took out the back door in Boston.

Other climbers worked in the AK pipeline, WY oilfields, at OB and NOLS, Jeff Lowe and Kevin Donald's International Alpine School.

Bob Carmichael, NFL Films, tried to break into TV with a pilot for PBS called Outside the Arena. He supported a lot of climbers for a month in making that pilot.

Greg Lowe was making 16mm film to take to Hollywood, or Robert Redford, Greg having been a stuntman in Grizzly Adams. Greg's film showed him and myself demonstrating free solo climbing in Colorado and Idaho, hopefully for a movie of some sort. I raised about $100 toward that venture, by hosting Greg's freestyle ski films in Denver and Boulder.

Canning and scarfing, and maybe it's a home, and not a minivan. Nils Anderson of Everett WA let me stay in his VW bus after wet snow collapsed my plastic tube tent the first time I went to Yosemite. Later I read his obit in Mountain, saying his name out loud. The cashier said he had been the last one to see Nils, and said don't go up, there's a storm coming in, toward the Matterhorn. "Maybe it's not really a minivan", cowboy in the Pontiac Montana commercial sure looked and sounded like Mike Weis.

Kevin Donald was Cabela Man and Volvo Man.

Bev Johnson made $5000 on a Mountain Dew commercial. She came back to the Valley after two years smoke jumping. After using up a one-way plane ticket to Fresno, I was hitch-hiking toward a rock. A brief interview profiled her as ready to lead Lunatic Fringe. She bought the drinks afterward. "Something to write home about", she said. She was back, not just geographically, but she was back to "stoked". Climbers always come back, we said.

Jane Wilson was a National Geographic centerfold, for about the same as scarfing and canning money.

The first honest real money for canners and scarfers, or eagles and bears who belong, might have been John Bachar's rumoured $100k/yr for Fiere and all.

Lynn Hill says "karma", and look at her. My nanny word at the time was, drug money is Pandora's Box. On the other hand, mj laws are like a backup knot.
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