Airplane, part one


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Social climber a single wide......
May 25, 2005 - 10:07am PT
yea- i'll 'fess up to huffing airplane weed on the summit of Mt. Whitney

Big Wall climber
Jun 4, 2005 - 03:43am PT
If I was asked. . .I would have said okay, just promote my new novel What We Do Is Secret (Villard, ISBN 0812973097;

"Airplane" was the first article I wrote and sold and it led more or less directly to working for Outside for several years as a contributing editor and columnist, then on to Rolling Stone and other magazines and lots of travel. So the legacy of the crash worked positively for some of us at least. A couple of years ago the revived MG published an anthology titled "When In Doubt, Go Lower." "Airplane" was not included, but there's an appendix containing a variety of letters to the editor, including one praising "Airplane" rather extravagantly and calling me a "fine journalist."

It's signed by some unknown hipppie-solunding dude in Colorado named Jon Krakauer.
can't say

Social climber
Pasadena CA
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 4, 2005 - 09:16am PT
My appologies for not going the extra mile and trying to find you to ask your permission. I'm glad the story segued into better gigs for you.


Sport climber
Venice, Ca
Jun 4, 2005 - 09:11pm PT
Nice story, Kief, but not all climbers in Camp 4 thought, felt or acted like the waifs depicted in your account.

But back then, most of us did smoke weed. Should have seen the flame that would leap off a pipeload of av-gas soaked airplane hemp the moment you put a match to it and huffed hard--like a grease fire suddenly broke out in the corn cobb. The shite so worked my lungs I eventually gave away most of what I had. I remember one friend--who'd humped out some 100 pounds worth-- showing me a bankrool thick as a Presto Log. He started a business he still runs today.

Amazing to think that was 28 years ago . . .


Trad climber
Jun 7, 2005 - 06:36pm PT
It seems that everyone is beating around the bush about this thing. Okay here goes nothing: The rumor as I heard it at the crag was that the plane was full of weed grown in nearby Stanislaus national forest in Northern Tuolomne county by climbers we all know. It was driven down Camp Nine road or I-Bar road to Columbia airport. (that's Columbia California near Sonora in the gold country.) The plane took off from Columbia Airport which led to the silly notion that it was from "Columbia" which is the closest town to the grow. Unfortunately, rumor has it that the co-pilot got into a gunfight with the pilot shortly after take off and may have killed him in an effort to betray everyone and steal the load. The plane tried to return to the airport but crashed into the lake because of damage to the cockpit. Climbers killing climbers over a bunch of fukking weed! A tale of greed, betrayal and murder....Is this what you guys want to be associated with?

And my apologies to those who were so offended by my efforts to discourage mainstream publication of this damaging information. If you want to hear more about the incident go drive out to a place called "Planet Jupiter" just past Mount Knight on I-bar road and start asking questions. The murderous co-conspirators who planned the rip-off are still there today cooking crank and growing via diesel generator operations. You can see the smoke for miles. Bring your satelite phone and relay the info you get to Licky for his book. But dont plan on making it home.

Trad climber
Jun 7, 2005 - 07:37pm PT
dear wbraun, I shared what I heard about the incident as everyone seems to want. as far as the "climbers we all know," they have made themselves known in this forum and i respectfully omit their names because I am only sharing a RUMOR which I made very clear. this whole discussion has been a bunch of unsubstantiated rumors. I never said I know what happened. i said I heard third hand. Why do you get hostile? I'm trying to understand what the point of all this discussion is. Maybe there is no point at all. And please read my apologies to everyone. I am sorry if I pissed you off. I thought the point of this subject was to share stories, rumors etc. however fantastic or wrong they may be. Chill dude. If you dont want to hear it then now you are the one who is trying to censor the conversation. And drive up to planet jupiter yourself if you dont believe me. People from Jamestown, Sonora, Columbia, Angels Camp, Twain Harte and beyond have been telling that version of the planecrash story for years. Why do you have an issue with my relating it? Havent you been reading all the weird stuff on this topic?

sorry if I pissed you off.

Jun 7, 2005 - 07:54pm PT
Your statement says:
the plane was full of weed grown in nearby Stanislaus national forest in Northern Tuolomne county by climbers we all know.

they have made themselves known in this forum

Chainsaw? Where has anyone said they grew this stuff on any of these threads?

And what so called climbers have made any of your so called claims?

I'm not the least bit pissed whatsoever, I'm just seeing some bullshit here.

Please enlighten me with what "climbers we all know" on these threads grew this stuff.

Trad climber
Jun 7, 2005 - 08:03pm PT
I said It was rumored that the climbers grew it. I heard this from several totally unreliable sources so I will not mention any names, although the sources did. It is very likely that these people had nothing to do with anything at all. But it is an interesting story. If you want to continue this discussion please stop addressing me in such a hostile way. I dont like getting crucified here. And yes I'm an idiot for not knowing that the link by my name reveals my actual email address. Most forums and personal sites do not allow access to that info when a "handle" is choosen to protect peoples real identities. But I guess the cat is out of the bag. Just out of curiosity, why are you so interested in that info?

Jun 7, 2005 - 08:12pm PT
I'm interested because I witnessed this whole thing from the beginning to the end.

Chainsaw said: "I heard this from several totally unreliable sources"

And: This is the first time Ive ever heard any of this so called rumor, including the one claiming climbers we all know grew this stuff.

Im not trying to be hostile towards you, sorry if you feel that way, but Ill still call it total bullshit!

Prove it without doubt.

Gym climber
San Francisco, CA
Jun 7, 2005 - 08:37pm PT
ugh ..

i thought we had already dealt with chainsaw ..

bottom line is that chainsaw is totally f*cked up because alot of people in his life got totally screwed up by drugs .. so he blames all drugs for all his life's shortcomings ..

.. sorry your life got messed up by drugs chainsaw ... now go away while the rest of us talk about some funny sheit that happened in the valley about 30 years ago.


Trad climber
Jun 7, 2005 - 08:47pm PT
okay ricardo, have it your way. Sorry i keep pissing you off. by the way, have you climbed purple haze at the leap? I'm trying to figure out if we were offroute there. any clues?
Hardman Knott

Gym climber
Mill Valley
Jun 7, 2005 - 09:12pm PT
Hey Weedwhacker -- you really outdid yourself (if that's possible) by knowingly spreading
bullshit rumors for the obvious purpose of defaming others. You even said your sources were "unreliable". WTF?

If that doesn't fit the definition of libel, it's damn close.

You are way over the top with this nonsense.
Let it go before you make yourself look even worse.
Dingus Milktoast

Jun 7, 2005 - 09:25pm PT
"If that doesn't fit the definition of libel, it's damn close. "

Who did he libel? He's just trolling.

He's pretty good at it too.

Hardman Knott

Gym climber
Mill Valley
Jun 7, 2005 - 09:26pm PT
Let's hope for his sake yer right...

Jun 7, 2005 - 09:48pm PT
Bullshit rumors with the implied defamation pointed at people on this and the 1977 Airplane Crash in Yosemite thread!

Defamation: communication to third parties of false statements about a person that injure the reputation of or deter others from associating with that person.

It also says look up libel.


Trad climber
Humboldt, CA
Jun 7, 2005 - 09:57pm PT
well, I'm no fan of the weedwhacker, and NEVER heard of a connection between the goings on in Jupiter to "Lodestar Lightening," (but definitely tasted *cough* it), AND haven't lived in Tuolumne County in 25 years...BUT, back in that day when looking for our own...ummm, garden spot, we KNEW that Jupiter was already hot so looked elsewhere. (just saying...) Jupiter was a place to stay away from - of course there was a real gold rush happening then on the Stanislaus as gold prices had skyrocketed, with claim jumping and shootings as if it was 1849. but I digress - and shouldn't even post. forget I said anything...

wadda ya say Licky?

Social climber
Jun 7, 2005 - 10:46pm PT
Well Nibs, I say not much has changed from where I stand. I'm still looking for humorous stories and stories that tell about how people's lives have benefited from the crash. We are trying to find something good out of all of this even though lives were lost, families destroyed, and a ton of headaches that were delivered on platers.

Those that have contacted me via email or phone have heard me and some of my stories. Yeah, I know rumors can be entertaining, but the real question is why spread a rumor in the first place?

Just for those that have followed spray from thread to thread, I am in possession of the death certificate of the pilot, the NTSB's final report, and a few other docs that support our story, not the rumors in the mill. All of this will come out in the book and will be supported.

As for Chainsaw. Well, there ya go.

Social climber
kennewick, wa
Jun 7, 2005 - 11:00pm PT
I have found this all kind of entertaining yet disturbing. In one thread chainsaw was trying to protect the virtues of his athletes hero's by not writing a book of stories from that era. In another thread he is sh**ing on them...Something is rotten in denmark and my great gramps was from there so I otto know...

Trad climber
cayucos california
Jun 8, 2005 - 12:01am PT
Damn if that lake wasnt full of jet fuel I'm sure it would of been fun to swim in! Could of bottled the water and sold it too. It was probaly the largest amount of bong water on earth.
The Schmutzvink

The WAY past
Jun 8, 2005 - 12:06am PT
rob, er.. chainsaw.. not sure what you gained by spinning such a yarn (PURE boulderdash). I don't think you are savvy enough to be an inspired troll, so I'll chalk it upon to the empty bleatings of a moron

mater of fact, i think writing such about the pilot- when you KNOW his widow reads this thread is very poor form. you are a very sorry bloke. i think i'll call you up and give you a piece of my mind (chuckle). naw. i think i'll just tell your employer that you are known to spread slander and libel on the internet.
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