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klinefelter
Boulder climber
Bishop, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 9, 2008 - 10:11pm PT
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@TGT:
In the OP, I linked to the SierraWave article because it's the our local news resource (and a fine one, at that), but I pulled the eco-terrorist/anti-wilderness speculation from another local source, the Inyo Register, and the LA Times website. I regret jumping to conclusions, but you have to admit there appeared to be a pattern to the events. And as far as the suspect being just a low-life thief, there was never any indication anything was actually stolen from the vehicles. And why break windows of cars you're syphoning gas from? I guess crazy-and-insane is always the wildcard, though.
In regards to the title of the post, I suppose Ecoterrorism just has a nice trollish ring to it - just reaches out and grabs you.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Christiana was arrested on charges of auto theft, possession of stolen property, and burglary
From the other article
Mono County has had reports of fee tubes, where campers pay their fees at unstaffed campgrounds, burglarized.
Check your reading comprehension.
More than likely two different actors though. The summit hut on White would not be reachable by road without going thru the research center.
Most likely two different nut cases running around up there.
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marky
climber
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upon reading the thread title, my mind raced through the likely suspects:
LADWP
Caltrans
Mammoth Mountain
Inyo NF
So it was none of these?
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Michael D
Big Wall climber
Napoli, Italy
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Sep 10, 2008 - 12:10am PT
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Highdesert, I agree tacitly with your 4 wheelin' comment, although 4 wheelin' can be done with less impact if you don't try to emulate the commercial slides/drifts/jumps. I taught my wife to 4 wheel in low-lock and plenty of patience with care in driving direction...on an outing, we had guys in Jeeps blast by churning up the desertscape, which will take decades to recover. When we said "Hi" to them, they commented on our 'underpowered Xterra', I felt like pulling out my underpowered PPK and seeing how their Mickey T Kevlar Belt Super Mudders would hold up.
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10b4me
climber
the gray bands
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Sep 10, 2008 - 01:24am PT
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sorry to hear about the visitor center at Schulman Grove.
that was a nice place. I'd c`ontribute to a rebuilding fund.
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Flashlight
climber
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Sep 10, 2008 - 02:18am PT
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Ron, did you quit climbing or shooting?
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Dr. Rock
Ice climber
Castle Rock
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Sep 10, 2008 - 02:32am PT
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If you hassle the off roader's, that just means more Jet Skis down the road, are you sure that's what you want?
So my drunken friend dis ables the wrist strap on his jet ski, falls off, the throttle is half on, the thing does laps in the cove, people try to come along side and wrestle it down like some kind of aquatic hog tying contest, they end up falling off, now they are getting run down by the wild jet ski, the thing finally beaches itself after scaring the sh#t out of the whole dang place.
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dipper
climber
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Sep 10, 2008 - 10:50am PT
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Here here!
Jody,
Minister to your mostly mindless mass of messy.....
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dirtbag
climber
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Sep 10, 2008 - 01:44pm PT
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"And when they mess themselves up in an accident, we get to pay for their "choice" the rest of their lives. "
I'm no OHV fan at all. But in fairness, folks could say the same thing about climbers.
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WoodySt
Trad climber
Riverside
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Sep 10, 2008 - 01:56pm PT
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Now that I bought my four wheeler, I think I'll try a little off road.
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klinefelter
Boulder climber
Bishop, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 10, 2008 - 02:26pm PT
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TGT - Check your reading comprehension.
Comprehending just fine, thanks. As I said, nothing was stolen from the 19 or so vehicles. Nothing. Windshields broken, brake lines cut, and water poured into gas tanks, but nothing stolen. Not a typical MO for a burglar.
And I'm not sure how the fee tube burglary is related to this, other than your assumptions. The suspect was in possession of some articles stolen from a cabin on Big Pine Creek, and apparently has been tied to the trail head vandalism because they found a hammer in his car.
Incidently, I ride a motorcycle and own a 4WD truck. I've been bouncing around dirt roads in the Whites and around the Eastside for 25 years. I have nothing against responsible OHVers, and I understand why they might disagree with extending wilderness areas. But I find something interesting: If these same events had occurred, but with different targets, what would the reaction be? Let's just say, for example, that someone was vandalizing dirt bikes, quads, and rhinos in the area. They cut brake lines on trucks pulling OHV trailers, and smashed windows of, or even set fire to, local businesses that cater to OHV users. How would this be interpreted by the local community, law enforcement, etc., in light of the current, hotly debated Wilderness Bill? Just curious.
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Flashlight
climber
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Sep 10, 2008 - 02:37pm PT
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Wes, you are one confused individual. You are going around in circles so fast it is making my head spin. "I didn't say 'all'", "I did say 'all'", "That's not what I meant", That IS what I meant"...make up your mind dude.
Dr. Schitt(DMT), you and your kind are very amusing. Always lecturing people not to paint with a broad brush and that is exactly what you guys are doing here. It really ruins what little credibility you folks have on the subject.
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Flashlight
climber
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Sep 10, 2008 - 02:46pm PT
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Who are you again?
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klinefelter
Boulder climber
Bishop, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 10, 2008 - 02:54pm PT
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Flashlite - The White Mtn. research station rarely has anybody around. It isn't much more than a stone hut like the one on Whitney.
Couldn't be more wrong. The summit laboratory is the fourth-highest research facility in the world and the highest in North America. It housed a variety of expensive technical equipment for high-altitude research, in addition to the wireless internet repeater that supplies the Barcroft Laboratory below with web access. It's an integral part of the Research Station, and because of it's remote location will be difficult to repair.
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Flashlight
climber
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Sep 10, 2008 - 04:08pm PT
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Well, I stand corrected on the summit shack. When I was there, nobody was around and it sure "looked" like a stone shack to me. I have talked to many people who have been up there and they had never seen anybody there. Sorry about that...
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Sep 10, 2008 - 04:17pm PT
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No Flashlight,
I didn't quit climbing or shooting as they prove to provide useful skills FOR TAKING OUT OHVers!
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Flashlight
climber
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Sep 10, 2008 - 04:20pm PT
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Dingus, who are you again?
To say I was "stalking" anybody just shows what a fool you are.
For an older guy you sure show an astounding lack of reasoning ability.
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Flashlight
climber
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Sep 10, 2008 - 04:21pm PT
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Ron, you always have the snappiest comebacks. :) However, do you see the point I was trying to make?
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Flashlight
climber
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Sep 10, 2008 - 05:00pm PT
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No Dingus, the point YOU are making for me is that you are an unequal opportunity criticizer.
Who are you again?
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Flashlight
climber
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Sep 10, 2008 - 05:14pm PT
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Dingus, for you to say I am "stalking" a woman because she attacked me on this forum numerous times and I fired back is absolutely assinine...I won't even address that issue any more as you are obviously slanted and slightly 5150. A little history...YOU should not be lecturing anybody.
The below is copy/pasted:
The emergence of Dr. Schitt changed all that. Being such a distinctive nickname
caused me to check out this poster right away. Before long, I had him pegged as
Dingus, but it wasn't until the end that he f*#ked up and gave up the evidence.
So let's take a little look at what Dingus said when he was hiding behind his
Dr. Schitt handle...
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Search Result 3
From: Dr. Schitt (drsch...@hotmail.com)
Subject: Re: question for climber-attorneys in OR
Newsgroups: rec.climbing
View: Complete Thread (11 articles) | Original Format
Date: 2002-04-17 21:19:39 PST
"Nate B" wrote in message
news:a9ke34$3sg9h$1@ID-82914.news.dfncis.de...
> Well aren't you a piece of work! Bolting - was it? - in an area where it
> was clearly not allowed. Now you're looking for an attorney to work for you
> for free.
> Good luck, dickweed.
Nate the Prick in classic form.
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Now why would good old Dingus use another alias to flame Nate? Not only that,
ohmygod, he called him a name! I thought Dingus was above all that? Dawn
defended Dingus not long ago, until I exposed him as Dr. Schitt. Dawn, why
don't you speak up and answer this question. You said that Dingus didn't do
this kind of sh#t. What gives?
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