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klinefelter
Boulder climber
Bishop, CA
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Topic Author's Original Post - Sep 9, 2008 - 03:35pm PT
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In the past several weeks there's been a wave of vandalism here on the Eastside. From major damage to cars in trailhead parking to the burning of the Shulman Grove Visitor Center, there appears to be a pattern of some kind. The research facility on the summit of White Mountain was nearly destroyed, also. An arrest has been made in the trailhead vandalism with possible ties to the White Mountain arson.
Some have speculated this is related to the highly contentious Wilderness Bill proposed recently by Barbara Boxer and Buck McKeon. Meetings concerning this bill have deteriorated into a mob scene, with those against the bill (mostly OHVers) be highly vocal and often intimidating.
We'll see what happens with the investigation, but be on alert when parking at trailheads on the Eastside.
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crusher
climber
Santa Monica, CA
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Wow...I hadn't heard about this. Totally lame. Thanks for the update and please keep us posted.
No cameras up at the research center?
Edit - maybe we have to call this "anti-eco" terrorism?
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aldude
climber
Monument Manor
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Could this be a backlash over the Berkeley tree sitters?
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dirtbag
climber
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What kind of chickenshit would burn the visitor center? It's a lovely place and a good visitor center.
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dirtbag
climber
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"look! "Chickenshit" is auto-censured but "Bullshit" is not."
It wasn't for me. Maybe it's because the software running this site was designed in California by Californians, so it automatically filters Idahoans. Not a bad idea, really.
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dmalloy
Trad climber
eastside
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everybody, take it easy now.
Tom, that is a really poor title for this thread. I know you mean well, but you are sort of fanning the flames of hysteria around here. And I would avoid using the term "ecoterrorist/ism" at all times, most conservationists who have engaged in destructive actions are doing so with a much different aim than the way that terrorists use violence. Call it "ecoterrorism" and pretty soon they will be locking conservationists up without any charges or due process - and as much as there are some nutcases out there who would like that (and quite a few on this forum), I would rather see as much of the American system of justice as possible remain intact.
The person arrested in Lone Pine on Sunday appears to have a past as a mountaineer and peak bagger. Any links to the Wild Heritage Act have been total speculation and they appear to be inaccurate. This guy was pretty much totally deranged, but he seems to be closer in his personal history to all of us than he is to the off-road vehicle crowd.
The local paper even tried to jump the gun this weekend and say in an editorial that activists who are supporting Wilderness designation would use these incidents as proof that areas need to be protected as Wilderness. That is a really low way to try to put words in the mouths of the many Wilderness activists who live in Inyo and Mono Counties, we do a pretty good job of speaking up for ourselves.
There will be a lot of need for private funds to help rebuild the Shulman Grove Visitor Center, I will be sure to provide details to this forum once they become available.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
Nowhere
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"The vandalism extended beyond windows in the Big Pine Creek area. Inyo Sheriff Sergeant Jeff Hollowell says that at least one vehicle owner reported a cut brake line. There were other reports of cut gas lines."
Cutting brake lines at trailheads is attempted murder.
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dmalloy
Trad climber
eastside
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yes, graniteclimber, it is, and you can expect the suspect to be prosecuted as such if the evidence supports the fact that he was indeed the perpetrator.
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dirtbag
climber
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ha-ha-ha, beautiful weschrist. I agree completely.
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Flashlight
climber
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The White Mtn. research station rarely has anybody around. It isn't much more than a stone hut like the one on Whitney.
Weschrist, you are a jackass for painting ALL OHVers with the broad brush. Both sides have a few whackjobs that screw things up for everybody else on their side
The Schulman grove VC is pretty cool. I snowshoed into it last winter from the gate.
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dmalloy
Trad climber
eastside
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Mr Panky (I'll resist the urge to call you Mr Hanky), you also cannot protect wild places without educating people about why they are valuable. The Shulman Grove Visitor Center had some amazing art and educational displays that helped people to understand the unique nature of the bristlecone pines that grew all around there. For the legion of tourists from all around the world who generally drive through the Eastern Sierra without ever getting more than 400 meters from a road, it was a great way to teach them about one of nature's wonders and to keep them in Inyo County spending their money for another half day.
Wes, I have sat in meetings with a lot of jackass OHV drivers who use threats, intimidation and other odious tactics to advocate for their position. But I also know a lot of people around here who are totally responsible users of ATVs, jeeps and motorcycles. Some of them even go out and repair washed-out roads, pick up trash and otherwise act as stewards of their public lands. There are even a lot of climbers and boulderers who also ride dual-sport bikes and use them as a way to access crags and pebbles. Heck, those dual-sport bikes burn less gas getting to those places than all of us Tacoma and Outback drivers do.
So have some respect for the people out there who have every right to enjoy motorized recreation, even if there are some others who are abusive of both public lands and the public processes for managing those lands.
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2Grovel
Trad climber
Hangtown
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"Up with Spring"
I love the route name at Sagehen Summit "Gay 4 Wheeler's Club.
Brings renewed laughter when I see people hauling around rock crawlers and ATV's.
Let's ride in a circle and breathe a bunch of dust!
ATV= all terrain except vertical
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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I used to do a lot of off-roading, but I am so disgusted with what I've seen other OHV riders do that I quit.
I think the term ecoterrorist is appropriate in that it denotes their damage to nature, but modern PCspeak confuses the term.
These appear to be deliberate acts against those who attempt to use the resources responsibly.
That being the case the convicted criminals should be severely pilloried.
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Flashlight
climber
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Ron, have you been disgusted by what you see other shooters and climbers do?
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tom woods
Gym climber
Bishop, CA
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People around here were pretty quick to jump the anti wilderness types or the earth liberation types. Right now I'm betting on old fashion crazy. He problably has a reason that cooincides with one of these views, but I bet a dollar he's got a screw loose.
The visitor center still has not been ruled arson, but this may end up the case.
Any of you mechanics out there know whether if you were a crazy idiot you could cut a brake line thinking it was a gas line?
It looks like this guy was stealing gas to keep his car running.
Tom
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Willoughby
Social climber
Truckee, CA
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You know, porcupines have been known to nibble through brake lines. I usually take a peak underneath whenever I've been parked at a high trailhead for a few days.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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I read the article twice and drilled down and found the Shulman grove article. One speculative sentence that did not even mention ORV'ers and off this went. (there are as#@&%e climbers also. No user group has a monopoly.)
Seems fairly obvious this is a dirtbag burglar from Frisco. Not much more.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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Jody-
We climbers have an impact there is no doubt. But its kind of hard to argue that I can even come close to doing the amount of damage in a years worth of climbing that I could do in a couple hours on a 4-wheeler.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Flashlight,
long answer; yes.
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klinefelter
Boulder climber
Bishop, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 9, 2008 - 10:11pm PT
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@TGT:
In the OP, I linked to the SierraWave article because it's the our local news resource (and a fine one, at that), but I pulled the eco-terrorist/anti-wilderness speculation from another local source, the Inyo Register, and the LA Times website. I regret jumping to conclusions, but you have to admit there appeared to be a pattern to the events. And as far as the suspect being just a low-life thief, there was never any indication anything was actually stolen from the vehicles. And why break windows of cars you're syphoning gas from? I guess crazy-and-insane is always the wildcard, though.
In regards to the title of the post, I suppose Ecoterrorism just has a nice trollish ring to it - just reaches out and grabs you.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Christiana was arrested on charges of auto theft, possession of stolen property, and burglary
From the other article
Mono County has had reports of fee tubes, where campers pay their fees at unstaffed campgrounds, burglarized.
Check your reading comprehension.
More than likely two different actors though. The summit hut on White would not be reachable by road without going thru the research center.
Most likely two different nut cases running around up there.
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marky
climber
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upon reading the thread title, my mind raced through the likely suspects:
LADWP
Caltrans
Mammoth Mountain
Inyo NF
So it was none of these?
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Michael D
Big Wall climber
Napoli, Italy
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Sep 10, 2008 - 12:10am PT
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Highdesert, I agree tacitly with your 4 wheelin' comment, although 4 wheelin' can be done with less impact if you don't try to emulate the commercial slides/drifts/jumps. I taught my wife to 4 wheel in low-lock and plenty of patience with care in driving direction...on an outing, we had guys in Jeeps blast by churning up the desertscape, which will take decades to recover. When we said "Hi" to them, they commented on our 'underpowered Xterra', I felt like pulling out my underpowered PPK and seeing how their Mickey T Kevlar Belt Super Mudders would hold up.
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10b4me
climber
the gray bands
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Sep 10, 2008 - 01:24am PT
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sorry to hear about the visitor center at Schulman Grove.
that was a nice place. I'd c`ontribute to a rebuilding fund.
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Flashlight
climber
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Sep 10, 2008 - 02:18am PT
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Ron, did you quit climbing or shooting?
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Dr. Rock
Ice climber
Castle Rock
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Sep 10, 2008 - 02:32am PT
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If you hassle the off roader's, that just means more Jet Skis down the road, are you sure that's what you want?
So my drunken friend dis ables the wrist strap on his jet ski, falls off, the throttle is half on, the thing does laps in the cove, people try to come along side and wrestle it down like some kind of aquatic hog tying contest, they end up falling off, now they are getting run down by the wild jet ski, the thing finally beaches itself after scaring the sh#t out of the whole dang place.
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dipper
climber
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Sep 10, 2008 - 10:50am PT
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Here here!
Jody,
Minister to your mostly mindless mass of messy.....
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dirtbag
climber
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Sep 10, 2008 - 01:44pm PT
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"And when they mess themselves up in an accident, we get to pay for their "choice" the rest of their lives. "
I'm no OHV fan at all. But in fairness, folks could say the same thing about climbers.
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WoodySt
Trad climber
Riverside
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Sep 10, 2008 - 01:56pm PT
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Now that I bought my four wheeler, I think I'll try a little off road.
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klinefelter
Boulder climber
Bishop, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 10, 2008 - 02:26pm PT
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TGT - Check your reading comprehension.
Comprehending just fine, thanks. As I said, nothing was stolen from the 19 or so vehicles. Nothing. Windshields broken, brake lines cut, and water poured into gas tanks, but nothing stolen. Not a typical MO for a burglar.
And I'm not sure how the fee tube burglary is related to this, other than your assumptions. The suspect was in possession of some articles stolen from a cabin on Big Pine Creek, and apparently has been tied to the trail head vandalism because they found a hammer in his car.
Incidently, I ride a motorcycle and own a 4WD truck. I've been bouncing around dirt roads in the Whites and around the Eastside for 25 years. I have nothing against responsible OHVers, and I understand why they might disagree with extending wilderness areas. But I find something interesting: If these same events had occurred, but with different targets, what would the reaction be? Let's just say, for example, that someone was vandalizing dirt bikes, quads, and rhinos in the area. They cut brake lines on trucks pulling OHV trailers, and smashed windows of, or even set fire to, local businesses that cater to OHV users. How would this be interpreted by the local community, law enforcement, etc., in light of the current, hotly debated Wilderness Bill? Just curious.
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Flashlight
climber
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Sep 10, 2008 - 02:37pm PT
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Wes, you are one confused individual. You are going around in circles so fast it is making my head spin. "I didn't say 'all'", "I did say 'all'", "That's not what I meant", That IS what I meant"...make up your mind dude.
Dr. Schitt(DMT), you and your kind are very amusing. Always lecturing people not to paint with a broad brush and that is exactly what you guys are doing here. It really ruins what little credibility you folks have on the subject.
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Flashlight
climber
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Sep 10, 2008 - 02:46pm PT
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Who are you again?
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klinefelter
Boulder climber
Bishop, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 10, 2008 - 02:54pm PT
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Flashlite - The White Mtn. research station rarely has anybody around. It isn't much more than a stone hut like the one on Whitney.
Couldn't be more wrong. The summit laboratory is the fourth-highest research facility in the world and the highest in North America. It housed a variety of expensive technical equipment for high-altitude research, in addition to the wireless internet repeater that supplies the Barcroft Laboratory below with web access. It's an integral part of the Research Station, and because of it's remote location will be difficult to repair.
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Flashlight
climber
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Sep 10, 2008 - 04:08pm PT
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Well, I stand corrected on the summit shack. When I was there, nobody was around and it sure "looked" like a stone shack to me. I have talked to many people who have been up there and they had never seen anybody there. Sorry about that...
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Sep 10, 2008 - 04:17pm PT
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No Flashlight,
I didn't quit climbing or shooting as they prove to provide useful skills FOR TAKING OUT OHVers!
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Flashlight
climber
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Sep 10, 2008 - 04:20pm PT
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Dingus, who are you again?
To say I was "stalking" anybody just shows what a fool you are.
For an older guy you sure show an astounding lack of reasoning ability.
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Flashlight
climber
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Sep 10, 2008 - 04:21pm PT
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Ron, you always have the snappiest comebacks. :) However, do you see the point I was trying to make?
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Flashlight
climber
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Sep 10, 2008 - 05:00pm PT
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No Dingus, the point YOU are making for me is that you are an unequal opportunity criticizer.
Who are you again?
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Flashlight
climber
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Sep 10, 2008 - 05:14pm PT
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Dingus, for you to say I am "stalking" a woman because she attacked me on this forum numerous times and I fired back is absolutely assinine...I won't even address that issue any more as you are obviously slanted and slightly 5150. A little history...YOU should not be lecturing anybody.
The below is copy/pasted:
The emergence of Dr. Schitt changed all that. Being such a distinctive nickname
caused me to check out this poster right away. Before long, I had him pegged as
Dingus, but it wasn't until the end that he f*#ked up and gave up the evidence.
So let's take a little look at what Dingus said when he was hiding behind his
Dr. Schitt handle...
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Search Result 3
From: Dr. Schitt (drsch...@hotmail.com)
Subject: Re: question for climber-attorneys in OR
Newsgroups: rec.climbing
View: Complete Thread (11 articles) | Original Format
Date: 2002-04-17 21:19:39 PST
"Nate B" wrote in message
news:a9ke34$3sg9h$1@ID-82914.news.dfncis.de...
> Well aren't you a piece of work! Bolting - was it? - in an area where it
> was clearly not allowed. Now you're looking for an attorney to work for you
> for free.
> Good luck, dickweed.
Nate the Prick in classic form.
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Now why would good old Dingus use another alias to flame Nate? Not only that,
ohmygod, he called him a name! I thought Dingus was above all that? Dawn
defended Dingus not long ago, until I exposed him as Dr. Schitt. Dawn, why
don't you speak up and answer this question. You said that Dingus didn't do
this kind of sh#t. What gives?
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Flashlight
climber
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Sep 10, 2008 - 05:20pm PT
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It just shows what a moron you are Dingus...whoever you are, as you are too cowardly to identify yourself.
Knucklehead...
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Dr. Rock
Ice climber
Castle Rock
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Sep 10, 2008 - 07:10pm PT
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Just call each other up if you have an unsolvable beef.
A five minute call saves the rest of the freaks from "It's all about the He said, She said bullshit" syndrome.
I mean, we like watching family feud, but not since Dawson died, the other guy sucks.
It takes 3 to argue, two freaks and an audience.
No audience, no argument.
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Flashlight
climber
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Sep 10, 2008 - 07:19pm PT
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Tell him to stop "stalking" me and all will be fine. LOL!
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tom woods
Gym climber
Bishop, CA
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Sep 10, 2008 - 07:59pm PT
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hang on fellers, it looks like this guy is climber. John Christiana from San Francisco, anybody know him? I can't say for sure its the same guy but it looks like he's climbed Everest and was on his way toward the seven summits.
He's charged with the vandalism at the trailheads. Investigators have not proven arson at the Schulman no connection to the White Mountain Station has been made yet.
The mug shot is a www.sierrawave.net.
This will not go over well with the locals who pretty much wish all climbers would die.
Tom
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Flashlight
climber
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Sep 10, 2008 - 08:01pm PT
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Oooops.
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Flashlight
climber
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Sep 10, 2008 - 08:16pm PT
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Wes, how can you say ALL alpine climbers are jackasses? Do you even know one? Do you even know what an alpine climber is?(FYI, they are called alpinists). YOU are a jackass!
:) Just messing with you.
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The Wedge
Boulder climber
Bishop, CA
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Sep 10, 2008 - 08:36pm PT
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Way too keep people informed Tom. May hit the B-milks if the rain stops.. L8er -eric
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tom woods
Gym climber
Bishop, CA
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Sep 10, 2008 - 08:47pm PT
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I'm going myself. Things'll be wet, but it beats not going
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Sep 10, 2008 - 10:59pm PT
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So after a 70+ post rant about ORV'ers including one proposing multiple murder methods it turns out to be an
as#@&%e climber!
and complete nutcase to boot.
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Flashlight
climber
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Sep 11, 2008 - 12:44am PT
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The silence is deafening...
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Flashlight
climber
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Sep 11, 2008 - 12:56am PT
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"...those against the bill (mostly OHVers) be highly vocal and often intimidating."
"OHV'ers are NOT ecoterrorists, they are jackasses... or just terrorists. They are not protesting anything, they are simply vandalizing sh#t."
" OHV'ers just want to race their toys, and throw a tantrum when they aren't allowed to roam freely."
"ha-ha-ha, beautiful weschrist. I agree completely"
" I used to do a lot of off-roading, but I am so disgusted with what I've seen other OHV riders do that I quit."
" Jackass OHV'ers are not an exception to the rule. The vast majority are jackasses."
" OHV'ers and Christians seem to have more than their fair share"
"Someone has to stand up for their right to trash the outdoors and spill motor oil everywhere"
"No, that would detract from the point that OHV'ers are jackasses. "
And the dude turned out to be a climber. LMAO!!!
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Social climber
valley center, ca
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Sep 11, 2008 - 01:48am PT
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This Thread has been diverted to FaceLift...No more post allowed til after the lift...Bwahahahah.
Fo get Eco T. Join the Lift......a subversive....lrl
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Russ Walling
Social climber
Nutsonthechin, Wisconsin
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Sep 11, 2008 - 02:19am PT
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kunlun_shan linked:
http://latino.myspace.com/johnchristiana
this guy makes the standard Taco nuts look sane. The writing on the link is fantastically crazed. It should be mandatory reading for any would-be Kazinski.
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dmalloy
Trad climber
eastside
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Sep 11, 2008 - 10:12am PT
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"The person arrested in Lone Pine on Sunday appears to have a past as a mountaineer and peak bagger. Any links to the Wild Heritage Act have been total speculation and they appear to be inaccurate. This guy was pretty much totally deranged, but he seems to be closer in his personal history to all of us than he is to the off-road vehicle crowd. "
Geez, way back in post #8 on this thread I was trying to fill people in and call off all the OHV frothing, but you guys won't read anything that is more than 50 words long unless it has an "OMFG" at the end....
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couchmaster
climber
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Sep 11, 2008 - 10:58am PT
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Hanky you lowlife piece of sh#t. I believe your post is more criminal than what the piece of sh#t in question did.
If you plant a 12 ga shotgun in a pipe primed to blow and a 5 year old out walking with her family in the woods steps on it whats gonna happen to that poor innocent lil kid you dumb motherf*cker?
&@##$$&*^$$# THATS SO FRIKKAN IRRESPONSIBLE TO BE SPREADING THAT KIND OF SH#T. PULL YOUR POST IMMEDIATELY !
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Sep 11, 2008 - 12:43pm PT
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Forget it man. Its Chinatow,... uh,...er,.. the internet.
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dirtbag
climber
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Sep 11, 2008 - 03:57pm PT
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Weschrist wrote:
"OHV'ers just want to race their toys, and throw a tantrum when they aren't allowed to roam freely."
I wrote:
"ha-ha-ha, beautiful weschrist. I agree completely"
Then Jody wrote:
"And the dude turned out to be a climber. LMAO!!!"
Is there a point Jody? Weschrist's statement is more general than just the individual who vandalized cars and the visitor center. And I agreed with the general statement.
BTW, I'm sorry to see you revert to your old habit of using more than one ID, i.e., "liberalsimisamentaldisorder," to stir the pot.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Sep 11, 2008 - 04:19pm PT
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He is a '9/11 Truther'...that sums things up pretty well.
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Flashlight
climber
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Sep 11, 2008 - 04:33pm PT
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Dmalloy, I saw that but, you're right, the OHV stuff continued.
Wes, that was a nice story but where is the OHV relevance?
Sorry dirtbag, flashlight is the only I have used since its inception.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Sep 11, 2008 - 07:48pm PT
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What is this guy, some kind of backcountry Oswald looking for attention?
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Flashlight
climber
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Sep 11, 2008 - 08:34pm PT
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I saw a guy cut off another guy pulling into the post office. They both happened to park in adjacent spots. The guy that got cut off had skidded so far he probably flat-spotted his tires. Anyway, he got out, went over to the offending party, stuck out his hand and said, "Don't worry about it, mistakes happen." He was so kind and forgiving because he WASN'T a jackass liberal.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Sep 11, 2008 - 08:48pm PT
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"pot smoking hippies who speak out against government corruption get tear gassed, cuffed, and thrown in jail."
Yeah, when they refuse to cease and desist AND start breaking stuff!!!!
stupid hippies. Can't they just stay home and do bong-rips?
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Flashlight
climber
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Sep 11, 2008 - 09:14pm PT
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Wes, I figured you would miss/ignore my point.
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klinefelter
Boulder climber
Bishop, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 11, 2008 - 09:51pm PT
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I got it. You were pointing out that we shouldn't jump to conclusions about people and tag them with labels and stuff.
Like, 'He is a '9/11 Truther'...that sums things up pretty well'
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tom woods
Gym climber
Bishop, CA
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Sep 11, 2008 - 10:05pm PT
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What we have here, with this guy who lost it, is a tragedy. A personal tragedy that spilled out of himself and to his family> when his family couldn't deal any more this tragedy spilled out into the world. The family has probably been watching this for years, we see it now.
And now that it's into world, we take an example that is not unique, but totally personal, and we put our personal politics into it.
Liberal, conservative how can life be divided into one of two things? Everything we do, is damn hippies and f*#kin' fascists.
How does this apply here? The guy has serious mental problem and it's OHV'ers vs hippies. What about hippie OHV'ers? What about fascist hippies.
The world can't be divided into one of two things, just because the political parties want us to be.
I'm starting to sound like this guy they arrested, but seriously the only difference between this paranoid schizo, is that we sober up and don't feel like blowin' sh#t up anymore.
Tom
Oh yeah, and you philosphers out there might be able to divide the world into one of two things, but I'm about politics.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Sep 11, 2008 - 10:15pm PT
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Tom, I'm just sayin'his MySpace page was pretty telling of a mentally unstable and dangerously paranoid person.
Otherwise, I pretty much here ya.
We should be able to arrest people based on their MySpace rants. (kidding).
Oh, also, there is an appropriate saying that applies to paranoia and mental instability, "The eye that alters, alters all".
I'll let you guys figure out what that means......
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tom woods
Gym climber
Bishop, CA
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Sep 11, 2008 - 10:31pm PT
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His rants on the my space seem unfortunatley common for people who lose it. He's not officially implicated in the recent arsons, but the difference here is that he acted on this.
I don't know why these things happen. There are plenty of folks who lose it. They don't like their meds because they know the meds change them and they think they need to let themselves live free and natural, problem is what they feel is themselves not on heavy drugs can be dangerous to self and others.
Fortunately this guy didn't hurt any body.
Us vs. them is so dangerous because in the end there is only us.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Sep 11, 2008 - 10:38pm PT
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I hear ya, Tom.
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klinefelter
Boulder climber
Bishop, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 11, 2008 - 10:48pm PT
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I'm sorry this thread devolved into an anti-OHV argument, which wasn't really my intention. I hate to see any discussions derail senselessly and that's exactly what's happened. Thanks to Tom for keeping us posted (and grounded), and dmalloy for injecting some rationale early on.
I'm going to be working with the Eastern Sierra Interpretive Association on a web page for fund raising to get the Visitor Center rebuilt, so I'll post a link here when that's done next week. Hopefully the pinkos and brownshirts can come together for the occasion. Cheers.
Funny - while I'm posting this, an ad for Arctic Cat Snowmobiles shows at the top of the page. I want one!
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hillbille
Social climber
POway
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Apr 25, 2015 - 10:43pm PT
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All it takes is a few hours (with a faulty regulator on your bottle).
JOhn's been at altitude -on 7 Summits. And deprived of oxygen for too long in the past..
I knew him in high school and Scouts.,,,, in the 70's and recently, on Whitney,in 22 hours, in the early 90's. And Shasta on New Year's Day 1990.
He dragged me up there.
Was always driven to summit everything. Just a good soul that fell, in the past.
He was my friend.
Some of us fall farther than others.
Sucks, but that's life.
Bryan Evans
Poway, CAlifornia
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hashbro
Trad climber
Mental Physics........
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Apr 25, 2015 - 10:54pm PT
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sounds like the Cliven Bundies are busy intimidating and bullying
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