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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Topic Author's Original Post - Dec 8, 2007 - 03:39pm PT
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Dear Lois
As a worthy partner in our love-hate relationship, I must dedicate the following tribute to you to mark this occasion of your leaving me.
The nature of Internet discussion has created new idioms for communication protocol like “Goodwin’s Law”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goodwin%27s_law
You deserve a law named for you and I consider it my duty to propagate this law across cyberspace for the sanity of the world and to render you lasting fame. A legacy that I know you will actually cherish despite any negative connotations.
So without further ado. Let me present “Lois’s Law” and it corollary principle, “the Loising Point”
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I have an internet friend named Lois.
She just doesn’t “get it” sometimes.
The truth is we all don’t “Get it” to different degrees about something or another.
But Lois embodies obtuseness in such a way that I realize that a certain threshold of blindness is a cosmic principle in human relationships. We can talk until we are blue in the face but some people will never, ever, ever, ever, Ever “get it”
Get used to it.
“Hey Lois, can you see the nose on your face?”
“I don’t see it. Everybody else’s face seem to have a nose but I can’t see one on me”
“Lois, look way down above your lips, you gotta see it.”
“All I see is a blurry blob. It doesn’t look anything like the nose on your face.”
“Come on Lois, when you have a cold, what’s all the snot come out of?”
“Oh Lord, when it’s cold season my cat gets a cold and her nose drips all over my clean sheets. But me, I’ve never heard anything about any nose that might be on my face”
“Yeah Lois, but I searched on the internet and I found 12 examples of people telling you about the nose on your face.”
“You never can be too sure of anything. I heard of a man whose nose was shot off by his ex-wife, I bet he still get colds and he didn’t have a nose. What do you mean by nose?”
I could go on and on,
and it does go on and on.
But the point is simple.
And that is
When you’ve gone around and around trying to communicate something to someone, made your case clear, logical, documented and presented it from every conceivable viewpoint.
And that person can’t even acknowledge the issue to disagree on.
And when their responses inevitably turn into a self-referential feedback loop
That person will never get your point
But you’ve reached theirs
You’ve
reached
their
“Loising point.”
Any further discussion will only deteriorate into the “Loisification” of the subject.
The self-referential feedback loop will imprint excess bandwidth hum over any further progress in the debate.
The topic is lost and the subject reverts to "Me, Me, Me"
Don’t go there. When you reach someone’s “Loising Point” stop engaging. The discussion and only be “Loised-up” at that point.
If you take somepoint to the Loising point.
Step
Away
From
The
Computer!
With all Love
Karl
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Shack
Big Wall climber
Reno NV
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Lois, ever heard the expression, "Ignorance is bliss"?
That could explain it.
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John Moosie
climber
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Why does Dick Cheney appear to be successful? Why do the drug lords of south America appear to be successful? Is it because they are doing something good?
Nope. Material success can be achieved for a time without spiritual success. One can be spiritually ignorant and still achieve what the carnal mind thinks of as success. The rich man in the bible is a prime example. By outward signs he was successful. But was he really?
There is nothing inherently wrong with material wealth, unless it keeps you from achieving spiritual oneness. This was the case with the rich man in the bible. His material wealth kept him from truly surrendering his life.
Lois, your job of attempting to help others ameliorates much of your karma. But your Love of war will eventually catch up with you. karma does not come back instantly. If it did, then a killer would instantly die. Instead, it gives you time to learn by coming back gradually. If you do not learn, then eventually it catches up with you. My Karma is from previous lives.
You tend to see things in a black and white manner. It is not that you are ALL bad. It is that you are unwilling to look at your ego and how it affects you. You have too strong of a need to be right.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 8, 2007 - 04:10pm PT
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"For all these terrible attributes I have (and all these people that I have made so miserable), should I not be suffering more?"
"Ignorance is Bliss" as they say Lois.
Suffering is caused by a tiny heart, and by our own thoughts and desires torturing us.
Your heart's probably OK and your thoughts coalesce to torture me, rather than you.
So It's all good!
Peace
Karl
Edit: I swear I hadn't seen Shack's post when I wrote that
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Shack
Big Wall climber
Reno NV
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Kopy Kat Karl!!
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John Moosie
climber
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" I am too dominating and heavy handed for this place. The difference between me and someone like Cheney is that I DO care if I am making someone's life miserable."
So why glorify being dominating by giving it the power to keep you from admitting when you make a mistake?
Instead, be humble and admit your mistakes. Contrary to how some people think, most humans are very forgiving.
And by the way, its not that you are too domineering, its that you never admit when you are wrong. You defend yourself to the death, so you end up dead to others.
To think that you are just TOO powerful for others is an egotistical belief. There are very powerful people on this site. They just don't put up with ego.
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WandaFuca
Gym climber
San Fernando Lamas
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Here you can find the beginning of the phenomenom that is LEB--that is until it is pushed back as she adds more and more pages to her post count in her never-ending swan song.
And here is a classic example of Loisification from early in her ST career.
I was going to say that Lois is the Curse of Falkenstein because I thought that when Lois first started here, that she said that the person who recommended that she come to ST to look for information was CF. But I couldn't find any mention of it.
Lois, I try not to engage you, but I'm wondering who that person was who first recommended that you come to ST to find info about that Yosemite slide show.
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Standing Strong
Trad climber
www.happyninja.com
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lois, people who claim YOU are "making" them feel a certain way need to take responsibility for their own emotions. you're not responsible for anyone's feelings but your own.
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Standing Strong
Trad climber
www.happyninja.com
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do you ever wonder what it would have been like if you were born as the other sex? my mom was going to name me "hunter" if i was a boy.
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John Moosie
climber
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What makes you think you are going to get more lives to mess up? Isn't it arrogant to think you know how many lives you have left or even that you have lives left to live? Arrogance is a killer. Your outward success is no guarantee of future chances.
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Standing Strong
Trad climber
www.happyninja.com
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napoleon
they told you your music
could reach millions
that the choice was up to you
you told me they always
pay for lunch
and they believe in what i do
and i wonder
will you miss your old friends
once you've proven what you're worth
yeah i wonder
when you're a big star
will you miss the earth
and i know you would always want more
i know you would never be done
'cuz everyone is a f*cking napoleon
yeah everyone is a f*cking napoleon
and the next time
that i saw you
you were larger than life
you came and you conquered
you were doing alright
you had an army
of suits behind you
and all you had to be was willing
and i said i still
make a pretty good living
you must make a killing
a killing
and i hope that you are happy
i hope at least you are having fun
'cuz everyone is a f*cking napoleon
yeah everyone is a f*cking napoleon
now you think, so that is
the way it's gonna be
that's what this is all about
i think that that is
the way it always was
you chose not to notice until now
yeah now that there's a problem
you call me up to confide
and you go on for over an hour
'bout each one that took you for a ride
and i guess that you dialed my number
'cuz you thought for sure that i'd agree
i said baby, you know i still love you
but how dare you complain to me
everyone is a f*cking napoleon
yeah everyone is a f*cking napoleon
 ani di franco
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John Moosie
climber
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Thanks for the apology Lois. I wasn't so much hurt as annoyed that people just don't seem to be able to accept that someone can make a mistake and then learn from it. Once tarnished, always tarnished is some peoples beliefs.
As for the extra lifetimes. While it is true that we do have more then one lifetime to learn in, it is not true that there is an unlimited number of them, so it is arrogance to presume that you will have more. How do you know you haven't used up your allotment? Is this just hope? Or is it the ego's way of keeping you from working hard right now.
The ego is what tells someone they have plenty of time to change. It doesn't want to change because it knows that true change leads to less power for itself and eventually to its death.
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By the way Karl, your first post is too funny. LOL
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'Pass the Pitons' Pete
Big Wall climber
like Oakville, Ontario, Canada, eh?
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Applause! Bravo!
I think I need to add The Lois Point to my Glossary of Dr. Piton-isms.
Has anyone suggested the term "Loisification" yet?
Karl - can you please come up with dictionary-worthy definitions of the terms?
Clearly Karl has been reading my stuff, because he so properly gets the term "get".
Which begs the question - why do non-climbers [like Lois] write [so much] in a climbing forum? Aren't there other better places?
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Fletcher
Trad climber
Varied locales along the time and space continuum
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OK, I've been way to busy to pay attention to the Taco stand much for several months and look at all the fun on the doorstep when I arrive back!
Karl: thank you for “Lois’s Law” and it corollary principle, “the Loising Point." Some truth mixed with a sense of humor, all from a very loving and kind point of view. You do a great job of manifesting the beauty that lies within us all.
John: you expressed just what I was thinking regarding material success. Thank you for being articulate and really making an effort to give and to explain what you have learned. It's that constant grasping, that attachment that brings suffering. And so too does aversion. Attachment and aversion are two sides of the same ego coin, eh? Let go attachment and aversion and we can begin the path toward spiritual fulfillment and releasing ourselves from suffering.
Lois: you have given the taco stand a flavor and character alright! And I mean that in a positive manner. At the heart of the matter, only you really know what the true state of your inner self is. And perhaps ignorance is bliss as others have said.
Here's an experiment you might want to try (or maybe not!). In your first reply to this post, in two paragraphs you used the a first person article (I, me, my, etc.) about 32 times (I'm probably not counting accurately). See if you can write a reply without using the first person or minimizing. See what you can write that gives to others. The more you give away (and the less you grasp via attachment or aversion), the more the rewards flow in.
OK, enough of my own ego yammering on. :-) Time to go take care of (give) to my kids... we participated in the Rosebud Parade here in Pasadena this morning... dress up yer wagon, stroller, etc. and have a big parade with 1,000 odd other kids down Lake Street. Great fun!
Fletch
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John Moosie
climber
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hahaha..nope Lois, you are overconfident. Once again you refuse to look in the mirror. Classic Lois's Law.
I will accept the Loising point and move on.
We do KNOTT have unlimited lives in the material world because some beings get stuck and this would lead to eternal hell for them. Hell is not eternal. God is not cruel. He/She gives us many opportunities but would not leave us eternally stuck in the hell of our own creation, hence there is a limit to how many lifetimes one has.
Oops...I broke Lois's law and went past the Loising point. Sorry.
Good night and Good luck with writing the final.
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Standing Strong
Trad climber
www.happyninja.com
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pasadena! right on. are you also doing the rose parade?!!!
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 8, 2007 - 05:26pm PT
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This was one of my favorite Loisified threads. I keep trying to bust here. It doesn't get good until near the end,
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.html?topic_id=412945
Peace
karl
Here's what I devolved to near the end
"But yeah, I should have given up long ago, but sometimes it's fun playing catch.
Like earlier this week in the Capital Punishment thread when Lois was claiming she had no idea Crowley had admired a Republican candidate for President when she claimed he hated ALL Republicans. I did I little research and found the she had posted dozens and dozens of times to the thread in which Crowley admired Republican Ron Paul.
I'm just kinda fascinated with Lois since she's a nice person and really intellligent enough to to a nurse pract. and even teach it. I want to know what makes her tick and not tick and keep wondering if there's any "wake up" button I could find.
sorry to talk about you like you weren't there Lois. You understand.
Peace
Karl
Edit: Here's where I got her.
LEB> What "guy"? Are you referring to Crowley? If Crowley is supporting a particular presidential candidate then I have not participated in the thread on which he has spoken that content. I do not dog Crowley around on every thread. Unless he says his piece on whatever thread(s) I happen to be following (which is never more than 1-3 at any given time) - or else emails me about something - then I will be totally unaware of what he has written. Who exactly is Crowley supporting. This is the second reference someone has made to this concept.
As for Moosie and big vs small government, it is difficult to respond to anything John posts because he address so many points in one posting. John asks me so many questions that I can not keep track of them all. If you wish me to address a specific point which John has made then please ask John to repost that question (by itself!) or else repost it on his behalf. My whole issue with John is that he addresses entirely too much content at any one time. Again, exactly who is Crowley supporting and when/where did he make his views public concerning this issue?
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Re: Perhaps there IS a role for capital punishment, afterall
Jul 7, 2007, 02:36pm PST
Author: LEB Paul who, Crowley? You are all always yelling at me for not using google enough. I can't google "Paul." Which "Paul?"
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Re: Perhaps there IS a role for capital punishment, afterall Jul 7, 2007, 02:38pm PST
Author: Karl Baba
It only matters 50% if you followed that thread (I'd be surprised if you hadn't posted to it!)
The fact is, you're so not paying attention that you could accuse him of hating all Republicans. Obvously, it aint so,
As for moosie, This is for you. Post it below and cropped short so she can respond
Peace
Karl
time wasted edit for Ron Paul by crowley
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.html?topic_id=409117
Crowley defends Ron Paul. I guess you weren't following that thread even though I totally, honestly lost count of how many times you posted to that thread cause I started laughing too hard!
good thing you didn't post to this one
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.html?topic_id=410748
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Re: Perhaps there IS a role for capital punishment, afterall Jul 7, 2007, 02:40pm PST
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LEB> What thread, Karl? Please direct me to the thread wherein Crowley published his views on this matter? "
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Fletcher
Trad climber
Varied locales along the time and space continuum
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Hey Standing Strong,
pasadena! right on. are you also doing the rose parade?!!!
Oh yes! The floats get staged right in front of our home on New Year's eve. The best part of the Rose Parade for us is going out after midnight, walking around and checking out all the floats and activity. It's a giant party!
Fletch
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'Pass the Pitons' Pete
Big Wall climber
like Oakville, Ontario, Canada, eh?
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Karl, where's the definition?
I miss my crab, it's about bloody time I got him back. It's been over two years.
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WoodySt
Trad climber
Riverside
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Oh no, a massive group hug; makes me want to rent a B52 and go start a war.
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Fletcher
Trad climber
Varied locales along the time and space continuum
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Radical wrote:
"but everybody chews on the shitty end of the stick once and a while."
Cracking up over that one! And ain't that the truth!
Fletch
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 8, 2007 - 07:28pm PT
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Here's my bottom line Lois. I don't mind if you stay and don't mind if you go. Just wanted to say goodbye with some distinction.
Here's my bottom line. It kills me when you jump into a discussion and turn the topic into Me Me Me. Some of the more serious topic require more focus than that and your presence sometime derails something special.
knock off that Loisification. Now the idea of using threads you start or are invited too is a great idea. Do you have the discipline to stick with it?
Peace
Karl
Pete:
Loisification is when the original topic of a thread is derailed by a self-referential feedback loop that turns the subject to the poster's personality and not the issues.
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johnboy
Trad climber
Can't get here from there
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"Loisification"
The ability to change the meaning to fit your words.
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WandaFuca
Gym climber
San Fernando Lamas
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Re: "Lois's Law" and "The Loising Point" Dec 8, 2007, 04:50pm PST
Author:
johnboy
Trad climber
From: Can't get here from there
"Loisification"
The ability to change the meaning to fit your words.
Re: "Lois's Law" and "The Loising Point" Dec 8, 2007, 04:50pm PST
Author:
LEB
climber
From: Glen Gardner
How about the ability to defend oneself effectively against those who are ever driven to change Lois
Oh, my f*#king god that is ironic and funny as hell and I bet you don't even know why.
(edit) Lois, why did you delete your post???///
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Standing Strong
Trad climber
www.happyninja.com
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lois! you really should try climbing :) i want to go with you! we all just need to go climb. word. i know i need to, i wish i had gone last weekend but i was totally PMS-ing and in a bad mood.
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Mtnmun
Trad climber
Top of the Mountain Mun
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Mother Figures
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 8, 2007 - 09:33pm PT
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"Karl, maybe you should get a law passed since you don't have the self-control to ignore the offending posts."
I agree Jody think I've learned my lesson. But the problem is, there's always the next guy to fall into the trap, Singer, Moosie, and Khanom, etc.
I don't care if there's fluff threads where we chat with lois. I just don't like it when an actual discussion turns into "all about Lois"
I don't mind folks I don't agree with (Is that us sometimes?) It's just that if I don't agree with Chaz, a topic about Global Warming doesn't turn into 12 pages about what he feeds his donkey and why his relationship with his friends keeps him from reading the links to data on the subject.
Peace
karl
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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So, Lois is like a vampire now, you have to invite her in before she can bite your neck and suck the life out of your precious thread?
Will garlic stop her?
What about holy water?
Where's Van Helsing when you really need him?
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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People have spoken cause they like to hear themselves talk. YOU should be ashamed for caving to a bunch of mamma's boys, with their blanky in one hand and a dirty cookie in the other.
Dirt's first law of posting threads on the internet:
Once you post it, you have no control over where it goes. Period.
Anyway Lois, I'm making an official invitation to YOU, Lois, Pre-eminent Grand Pariah of ST, to visit any thread I ever have posted or will post.
IF you make me feel like throwing up I'll do my best to throw up on you, but I'd like to hear it first ( and proably 30 more times), from you, and I always find you funny, even when you're trying to be serious.
YOU are more entertaining (for whatever reason) than most posters here, by far.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
Nowhere
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"Anyway Lois, I'm making an official invitation to YOU, Lois, Pre-eminent Grand Pariah of ST, to visit any thread I ever have posted or will post."
Ditto.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 9, 2007 - 02:12am PT
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Hi Lois
I win! I win! I broke through the "Loising Point!"
Don't worry baby. I have threads you can post in. The thread about my new page page and commie business model. As soon as it drops off the front page, you go Lois it up good.
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.html?topic_id=497854
Peace
Karl
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 9, 2007 - 02:39am PT
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Locker wrote quoting Lois
"Lois wrote:
"OK, dirt, I accept your invitation and I will be HONORED to participate. Frankly I wish I could find your Dick"...
huh???..."
see Locker, all those spam emails talking about your need to purchase some enlargement device, they really know! Women pass the word on these things I hear....
;-)
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turd
climber
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Putative.
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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Just so you know, in the Victorian era, legs, even table legs, were referred to as limbs, because the mere mention of the word, or the sight of a even a table leg, might drive men wild with desire, and who know what might have happened?
This is why we have table skirts, so men would not see those erotic table legs and go sexually berserk.
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Mungeclimber
Trad climber
sorry, just posting out loud.
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Dec 10, 2007 - 12:50am PT
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Maybe we can add this to Duece's Bigwall wiki?!?!
aka incommensurability
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
New York, NY
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Dec 10, 2007 - 11:08am PT
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"...so as to not injure some of these very fragiles egos here or else "destroy" precious threads. If we were all dogs, apparently, it seems, that I am a pit bull. So, I am trying to be a "nice" pit bull and not bite all these lovely people who I have been (apparently) so agregiously injuring."
So I'm guessing that when Lois said she didn't want to hurt anyone, it was just bullsh#t, since she's - repeatedly - made remarks like this ever since.
I don't quite see here playing one of those miniscule fiddles as she harps on, but....just about. As for a dog analogy, pit bull's hardly it. More like the persian cat that won't stop crapping all over the home, despite the efforts of others "trying everything" to remedy the situation.
That's all rhetorical Lois. No need to respond to it.
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
New York, NY
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Dec 10, 2007 - 11:16am PT
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Lois - if you are anything remotely like your online persona in real life, I would most definitely not like you. People who can't focus, who can't see what's really going on in human interactions, bug the flying f*#k out of me. I stay as far away from them as possible.
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
New York, NY
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Dec 10, 2007 - 12:30pm PT
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GGGGGGAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHGGGHHHHHHHHH>>>>>!!!!!!!! STTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP already.
You're really - a jerk. And I'm sorry if you have backers who think you're a nice person, naive and innocent. They're too kind.
If you are DMT, then this is all excusable. Though a total waste of talent(DMT - you are talented even if Lois isn't your internet invention. I've been wondering why you don't blog?)
Does anyone else think DMT should blog? Wouldn't they be interested in it? Even write books, for heaven's sake. At least for the climbing rags, he's that good.
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Fletcher
Trad climber
Varied locales along the time and space continuum
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Dec 10, 2007 - 12:43pm PT
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Well, just when it looked all was fine and dandy in Mayberry, suddenly, out of the blue, poor Happiegrrl has reached the Loising Point (I am so thankful to Karl for creating this very handy new shorthand... truly a great public service).
Happie, try to let it all go and disengage... you don't need the aggravation, that's for sure. Time to cut off the oxygen (i.e., responding). It just causes the flames to burn stronger at this point.
Dang, where the hail is Barney Fife when you need him? Or maybe this is job for Goober or Gomer? I know Sheriff Andy is wisely sittin' this one out and gone climbin'.
Fletch
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 10, 2007 - 01:16pm PT
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I'm not judging Happi for not liking Lois but I'd like to give Lois HUGE kudos for Liking Happi anyway.
That's the way to peace in the world in my mind
PEace
karl
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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Dec 10, 2007 - 04:44pm PT
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You just can't make up sh!t like this.
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wildone
climber
Where you want to be
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Dec 10, 2007 - 06:37pm PT
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....and I'm all out of popcorn.
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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Dec 10, 2007 - 07:01pm PT
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WOW, popcorn!
great idea!
I sure hope poor excaveator will defend helpless, lamb-like, innocent crappiegrrl against the vile, hateful, machiavellian LEB.
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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Dec 11, 2007 - 03:10am PT
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That's a pretty good story Lois.
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TradIsGood
Recently unshackled climber
the Gunks end of the country
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Dec 11, 2007 - 12:09pm PT
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Karl,
It
appears
that
you
might
have
started
a
cat
fight.
LEB≠DMT
Or
DMT=?
hmmm.
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TradIsGood
Recently unshackled climber
the Gunks end of the country
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Dec 11, 2007 - 12:12pm PT
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Bears.
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TradIsGood
Recently unshackled climber
the Gunks end of the country
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Dec 11, 2007 - 12:12pm PT
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Squirrels.
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TradIsGood
Recently unshackled climber
the Gunks end of the country
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Dec 11, 2007 - 12:13pm PT
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Coyotes.
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TradIsGood
Recently unshackled climber
the Gunks end of the country
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Dec 11, 2007 - 12:13pm PT
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Skunks.
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TradIsGood
Recently unshackled climber
the Gunks end of the country
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Dec 11, 2007 - 12:14pm PT
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Last
fuel
for
50
miles.
Burma Shave.
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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Dec 11, 2007 - 02:01pm PT
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Don't listen to fatred Lois.
He's just mad cause you steal the thunder from his inane clash of civilizations rants and his global warming crap.
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dirtbag
climber
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Mar 20, 2008 - 02:56pm PT
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Bump.
Karl nailed it.
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mojede
Trad climber
Butte, America
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Mar 20, 2008 - 07:18pm PT
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This sign?
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Nefarius
Big Wall climber
Fresno, CA
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Mar 20, 2008 - 07:48pm PT
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You guys must realize this only eggs it on and makes it worse... You're offering the attention it craves.
edit: ≠
:)
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Mar 20, 2008 - 08:06pm PT
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You mean this sign?: ≠
As a resolute non-nerd, if I can do it, anyone can. :-)
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TradIsGood
Chalkless climber
the Gunks end of the country
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Mar 20, 2008 - 09:29pm PT
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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Mar 20, 2008 - 10:18pm PT
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God, I love this thread!
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nature
climber
Santa Fe, NM
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Mar 20, 2008 - 10:27pm PT
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≠
I don't get it. How come I can't get it to work.
Lois, please explain in three paragraphs or more?
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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Mar 20, 2008 - 10:32pm PT
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No no, Malamute, you dog you. Lois does not google when she can ask about it here. IF she did, she would not be so very Lois.
IF I had 5 bucks (inflation you know) for all the times Lois has asked something she could have googled, I'd have a big pile of money.
She claims she knows how to google quite well by the way.
BTW again, regarding a thread crossover of sorts, IF Lois were related to Jello, she'd be the Lois of the Lowes.
I really do wish Lois would start posting on RC.com, because then she would have a bigger audience, and thus be more likely to reach critical mass for Karl's newly minted terms.
As a Loisificated Mnemonic, I offer:
You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make it drink.
You can lead a whore to culture but you cannot make her think.
If you can keep your head on straight when all about you can't,
You'll find that you just might survive the normal Lois rant.
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nature
climber
Santa Fe, NM
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Mar 20, 2008 - 10:36pm PT
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≠
a little help here?
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TradIsGood
Chalkless climber
the Gunks end of the country
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Mar 20, 2008 - 10:43pm PT
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LOL. Nature, lois is still thinking about it. You are very smart and clever guy.
You just need to add a cfe eea after the end of what you typed.
If that is not equal to what you want, then you could
try using less then greater then. You know like so.
<>
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nature
climber
Santa Fe, NM
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Mar 20, 2008 - 10:46pm PT
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i just want the not equal to sign to appear. How clever can I be if Lois could do it but I couldn't?!?!? What could she possibly be thinking about?
EDIT: oh!
I left out the ;
≠
what am i missing?
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Mar 20, 2008 - 11:01pm PT
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"All that was preserved and it all came back to her by the grateful people she shared it with. And so, My Friend, think twice before you jealousy guard this knowledge you have from one who asks you to share it. You just never know what life holds for you. The ironies are many."
Somebody's been "reading" Reader's Digest again. Favourite bedtime reading of Ronald Reagan, too.
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TradIsGood
Chalkless climber
the Gunks end of the country
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Mar 20, 2008 - 11:02pm PT
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Maybe you solved your problem.
But nature gave you a problem.
And you did not solve his.
Please think about it.
Looks like nature did everything right.
He even added half a colon to the end.
But that does ≠ the not equal sign.
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nature
climber
Santa Fe, NM
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Mar 20, 2008 - 11:06pm PT
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i'm following directions
≠
They are zero's right? Not "Oh's"?
yeah... i thought I had it after the ; got added. But I guess Knott.
EDIT: Now I'm really confused. ≠ ≠ ≠
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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Mar 21, 2008 - 12:12am PT
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Of course we're friends Lois.
When I'm really pissed at you, you'll get posts like the ones I directed at crappiegrrrl.
Maybe if I can piss you off enough, you'll try to figure out just what is motivating all the pissing. Piss does have it's uses you know!
Think how bad it would be if we could not pee!
Did you know, and I swear I am not making this up, that once upon a time people brushed their teeth with urine, and that the whiter your teeth were, the more urine you had put in your mouth?
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TradIsGood
Chalkless climber
the Gunks end of the country
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Mar 21, 2008 - 12:16am PT
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TradIsGood
Chalkless climber
the Gunks end of the country
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Mar 21, 2008 - 12:21am PT
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Nature, copy and paste the above post. Then click the post. Then edit and paste in the ≠ sign. Then click post.Then edit and put in your comments.
It worked for me. Do you have moatpad?
PS. By above, I meant the one before the one to dirtineye.
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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Mar 21, 2008 - 12:44am PT
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Well Lois, if you look to be offended, who am I to stand in your way?
You've laughed at your own obtusenicity before, so don't stop now.
One more time, if I'm really mad at you, there won't be any doubt. You should know that by now.
But what about that business of rinsing and brushing with urine? that is really true. It is the ammonia that whitens teeth.
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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Mar 21, 2008 - 01:08am PT
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Used to what? Brush your teeth with urine, or use boiled urine as an anti-septic?
You know, horse urine and ox blood was a common stain for furniture a few hundred years ago.
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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Mar 21, 2008 - 03:40pm PT
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My friend who goes to Baja a lot says that light colored cats are coyote food, more so than dark ones.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 9, 2009 - 01:05am PT
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Lois has intimated on another thread that she will be posting little or not at all in the coming undefined period of time.
Better bump this thread to commemorate Lois
(although a wait and see attitude is always called for)
You are the ONE and ONLY Master!!
;-)
Karl
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 9, 2009 - 01:07am PT
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Here's Lois' last post on the "Hudson Salinity" thread
"Karl,
My dearest friend, I was just going to bed when I noticed your post. You did create something very clever there. Now I have something I must tell you. I am not going to post to anymore threads except this one (or a specific request on someone else's thread). I'd miss you too much to close all options BUT I am not "playing in the sandbox" anymore. Too much poo. It has really reached a point where the negatives have outweighed the positives. When that happens in life - well, you check out.....except I just can't check out on YOU and a quite few others here who I have grown very attached to over the years. I AM, however, very tired of all the poo.
So what that means is if you want to chat, you know where to find me - right here . Same rule applies - anything and everything is fair game for discussion. Otherwise , I'm out of here. ST has gotten simply too poopy, of late. A whole lot of people here just took dumps at the campsite instead of going over to the latrine.
One more thing, please do carry a message for me over to the "Lesson" thread. Dehydration causes severe impairment in judgment. That alone explains explains much everything in terms of "how" There is one little point I want to add. Many people around Woody's age start to get diabetic or pre-diabetic (it is called insulin resistance). Possibly he had some measure of this extremely common phenomenon. It affects huge numbers of persons in that age group. A significant number of persons do not even know they have it.
That being said, small increases in blood glucose (to say nothing of moderate or large increases) magnify the effects of dehydration by MANY fold. IF he were even mildly hyperglycemic (very common at his age) AND he became dehydrated on top of that, the net effect would be to cloud judgment to a very significant level. This whole "mystery" could be nothing more complex than simply a case of a mildly elevated glucose level.
Goodnight, Karl. You know where to find me."
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Jaybro
Social climber
wuz real!
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"obtusenicity" okay that one, I HAD to steal!
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MisterE
Trad climber
One Step Beyond!
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The concept of "dominance" and "submissiveness" is not restricted to the erotic. The psychology of manipulation, allowance, and subtle prods for furtherance and limitations of any Sadistic and Masochistic behavior reaches well beyond the physical.
I reiterate: The Bottom Is The Top. By allowing the Bottom to define the boundaries of abuse within their accord, the Sadist becomes the manipulated,
not the Masochist.
Such is Lois' Power. She plays the responsive like a harp.
Well done! The Marquis would have appreciated your suffering, and hence, your power.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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almost enough to send me back to nOOb.com
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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I tried logic and reason.
Relentless.
Unyielding.
I lost. Too old and weak to endlessly reply, reply.
Pointed out Twitter, chat, twitter, chat, chat.
Still lost.
I was loisisfied weeks ago.
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survival
Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
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WBraun
climber
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Well Sewellymon
The way I see it a lot of you guys can't control yourselves from responding towards her posts. The knee jerk reactions are overwhelming towards her.
Then you guys start poking at her like some wild animal captured in a cage to get it pissed off. That animal will start getting angry and react. This is where you guys blow it big time because you have no good self control so you guys exacerbate the problem instead of fixing it.
Some of the people here really get a pleasure out of it because of their boring life and low self/confidence esteem. They aren't even aware of that part.
To turn some one off, you don't respond, it's simple. There are others that also have collaborated on this simple fact to deaf ears to the out control rabid posters.
Some folks like the entertainment factor associated with her as they bored. Locker egged her on in this fashion all day yesterday. He tried it with me in a subtle fashion and I shined him on and thus nothing came of it.
It's just as much fault to the idiots here who engage as to hers. You people are extreme finger pointers to all problems originating outside of yourselves.
You all chose to be born here knowingly and mostly unknowingly ...........
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rectorsquid
climber
Lake Tahoe
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Can't just tell locker that your going to stick with it and not post elsewhere? Somehow driven to shrink his head instead? Maybe it's this constant shrinking of heads that is what grates some people on the taco.
If you want to tell locker that he is wrong, just say "you're wrong." Don't go explaining to him that he's wrong because of some mental issue (of his) then suggest that you forgive him for it. That just gets back to being all about LEB and how great LEB is.
Some people paint a big target on themselves. That seems to be the case here. It's strange how some people are liked by all and some are liked by some and hated by many. If I had a thread devoted to how I screw up other threads, I might think it was something I said or did and I would wonder what I could try to improve in myself to better get along with people or if I simply had made some mistakes that I could prevent in the future. But if I had a really big ego, I would then probably just try to shrink them and analyze them and try to figure out what is wrong with all of the people that I anger. They must be defective but I'd be a big person and forgive them for it... considering their tragedy and all.
Dave
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Richard
climber
Bend, OR.
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Book burning, McCarthyism, and witch hunting only work for the ill informed
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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I like LEB's suggestion.
She will from now on only post when specifically invited.
I think we should honor this excellent idea of hers.
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couchmaster
climber
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Couchmaster,
I sent you email about April 2, 1986 (a day which lives on in infamy in my life no matter how hard I try to forget it). Did you receive that email? "
Sorry, I did not see it. My email address is billcoe at gmail.com
replace at with @ no spaces. I am unable to change my email address here, someone (me) has the gmail address already and I get a script fault when I try and use it. I had originally tryed to register as billcoe like I post on cascadeclimbers.com and rockclimbing.com, but the ST registration got screwed up, so I went with couchmaster. So now I can't use my name or my real email address:-(
Feel up to resending it to me at gmail?
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 22, 2010 - 12:22am PT
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Bump
Cause I feel like doing the bump
Hi Lois.
Love you honey!
;-)
Karl
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Captain...or Skully
Big Wall climber
Transporter Room 2
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Aug 22, 2010 - 12:50am PT
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I really don't give a green goddam what your lois thinks.
I think she's like a thorn, festerin' in the fricken void, ripe to be plucked & cast aside like the fricken vermin she is.
Have a nice fricken day.
And I'm nicer than some folk.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 22, 2010 - 01:05am PT
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You're losing the troll game skully. Your misery feeds the monkey.
Be sure to read the initial post on this thread so you know the mechanics of the Lois brain
or you'll get the mental blue screen of death
Peace
karl
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Captain...or Skully
Big Wall climber
Transporter Room 2
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Aug 22, 2010 - 01:24am PT
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Of course I'd lose the Troll game.... No bridge, no goats.
More of an On Point King, maybe.
There's guff, though.
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jstan
climber
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Aug 22, 2010 - 01:47am PT
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This is still a gem.
Dear Lois
As a worthy partner in our love-hate relationship, I must dedicate the following tribute to you to mark this occasion of your leaving me.
The nature of Internet discussion has created new idioms for communication protocol like “Goodwin’s Law”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goodwin%27s_law
You deserve a law named for you and I consider it my duty to propagate this law across cyberspace for the sanity of the world and to render you lasting fame. A legacy that I know you will actually cherish despite any negative connotations.
So without further ado. Let me present “Lois’s Law” and it corollary principle, “the Loising Point”
+++++++++++++++++++
I have an internet friend named Lois.
She just doesn’t “get it” sometimes.
The truth is we all don’t “Get it” to different degrees about something or another.
But Lois embodies obtuseness in such a way that I realize that a certain threshold of blindness is a cosmic principle in human relationships. We can talk until we are blue in the face but some people will never, ever, ever, ever, Ever “get it”
Get used to it.
“Hey Lois, can you see the nose on your face?”
“I don’t see it. Everybody else’s face seem to have a nose but I can’t see one on me”
“Lois, look way down above your lips, you gotta see it.”
“All I see is a blurry blob. It doesn’t look anything like the nose on your face.”
“Come on Lois, when you have a cold, what’s all the snot come out of?”
“Oh Lord, when it’s cold season my cat gets a cold and her nose drips all over my clean sheets. But me, I’ve never heard anything about any nose that might be on my face”
“Yeah Lois, but I searched on the internet and I found 12 examples of people telling you about the nose on your face.”
“You never can be too sure of anything. I heard of a man whose nose was shot off by his ex-wife, I bet he still get colds and he didn’t have a nose. What do you mean by nose?”
I could go on and on,
and it does go on and on.
But the point is simple.
And that is
When you’ve gone around and around trying to communicate something to someone, made your case clear, logical, documented and presented it from every conceivable viewpoint.
And that person can’t even acknowledge the issue to disagree on.
And when their responses inevitably turn into a self-referential feedback loop
That person will never get your point
But you’ve reached theirs
You’ve
reached
their
“Loising point.”
Any further discussion will only deteriorate into the “Loisification” of the subject.
The self-referential feedback loop will imprint excess bandwidth hum over any further progress in the debate.
The topic is lost and the subject reverts to "Me, Me, Me"
Don’t go there. When you reach someone’s “Loising Point” stop engaging. The discussion and only be “Loised-up” at that point.
If you take somepoint to the Loising point.
Step
Away
From
The
Computer!
With all Love
Karl
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krahmes
Social climber
Stumptown
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Aug 22, 2010 - 01:53am PT
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I just got linked to this website that does a pretty good job of codified the players in the internet game of Flame Wars.
http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/
I thought it was pretty accurate and complete.
Edit: You'll have to manually or paste the ~mreed/ part of the link.
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Captain...or Skully
Big Wall climber
Transporter Room 2
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Aug 22, 2010 - 02:01am PT
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Jstan=Karl?
You're messin' with my mind, man.
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Gene
Social climber
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Aug 22, 2010 - 02:08am PT
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Jstan=Karl?
No way.
Peace
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 22, 2010 - 02:37am PT
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I think you mean LED = DMT
Are there still those who doubt the existence of the Lois? Why are they so wrong all the time? Striking out and such.
:-)
Karl
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Mungeclimber
Trad climber
sorry, just posting out loud.
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Aug 22, 2010 - 02:59am PT
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Toxic granny + Grammarian + Eagle Scout + Therapist + Loopy Flame Warrior types = Lois
heh
It's like Cosmo mag quiz.
how'd I do?
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Aug 22, 2010 - 02:59am PT
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Loist in Space!
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jstan
climber
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Aug 22, 2010 - 02:22pm PT
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Shall we face it?
If we didn't have Lois
we'd have to invent her.
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Sep 15, 2010 - 05:49pm PT
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sounds like LEB found the knitting forum but refuses to lift yarn and needles....
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Sep 15, 2010 - 08:02pm PT
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What do they talk about in this, "other forum"?
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edejom
Boulder climber
Butte, America
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Sep 15, 2010 - 08:18pm PT
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BUH-BYE!
Enjoy the new crew of despots, scallawags, and ne'er do wells...
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Sep 15, 2010 - 08:29pm PT
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Pour very hotw#ter over the tea bag. Dunk it up and down 2-3 times. Cover the tea container. Depending on how strong you want the tea depends on how long you keep the tea bag in the cup that is covered aout 5-7 minutes or steeped. Remove the tea bag and add lemon,or sugar, or cream. Or lemon and sugar or cream and sugar. (But no, no, no--don't add lemon AND cream because the lemon juice will curdle your cream.)
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LED
Social climber
the great beyond
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Sep 15, 2010 - 09:15pm PT
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jstan
climber
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Sep 15, 2010 - 09:19pm PT
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Lois:
This place is a little like Hotel California. You can always leave but you can never get away.
Have you seen Mars Attacks? There is only one way you can get away. If you base jumped El Cap with Ammon and had a sex video taken on the way down, everyone's head here would explode. You will have trumped everyone.
Then you'd be free.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Sep 15, 2010 - 09:33pm PT
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hmmm, then that means I must be about to run into a happy surprise!
Moderated. You may miss the wild west, but you are the one who journeyed to the East...
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Sep 15, 2010 - 10:11pm PT
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Is Jody there?
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Sep 15, 2010 - 10:27pm PT
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If we find out what the new forum is, are we under a moral or legal obligation to warn them of what they're in for? What if it's a forum of people just like LEB - would we want them to even know SuperTaco exists?
No wonder they invented existentialism.
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Sep 15, 2010 - 10:36pm PT
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What did you expect Lois? We Liberals (read Progressives) actually listened to the Women's movement when they said, in chorus, that they wanted to be treated equal.
It is the Conservatives (read regressives) that have blocked the equal pay initiatives because they want to keep women subjugated and subservient.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Sep 15, 2010 - 10:54pm PT
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Remember, you're the one who called yourself "old fashioned" and "unenlightened"...
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Sep 15, 2010 - 10:55pm PT
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Oh WaaaaaaH.
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Oxymoron
Big Wall climber
total Disarray
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Sep 15, 2010 - 11:29pm PT
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You really are a dumb bitch. An is used when the 1st letter of the suject is a vowel. Otherwise it's A. Get it?
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corniss chopper
Mountain climber
san jose, ca
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Sep 16, 2010 - 12:04am PT
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LEB
Fortune favors the bold.
CC
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Sep 16, 2010 - 01:21am PT
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He was able to do an L seat on the rings, even though he was a lard butt.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Sep 16, 2010 - 01:21am PT
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LEB being the antithesis, in spelling as in meaning, of the French word bel. (If the adjective were female, it would of course be spelt as belle.)
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Sep 16, 2010 - 12:18pm PT
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I know, I know....
arrogant ignorance.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 16, 2010 - 01:20pm PT
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LEB writes
Well, it is POSSIBLE that I may have found another forum to hang out at. Just as was the case here, I stumbled across it quite by accident and it really seems like it could be a very good "fit." I have been trying it out - cautiously, of course - and it looks like it could "work." You know how it is, when you are looking for something and you can't quite find it - then you stop looking and suddenly it shows up in your life i.e. you stumble across it.
Now if this whole thing "works," I can sort of transition over there and you all will at long last be free (enter Rev Martin Luther King's speech .... Free at last). You guys have been veritably "suffering" for quite some time now, eh? Your prayers MIGHT be about to be answered. We can always hope so...
It sounds like you have just been using us for sex! ;-)
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dirtbag
climber
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Sep 16, 2010 - 01:22pm PT
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Sep 16, 2010 - 01:23pm PT
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And it wasn't good.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Sep 16, 2010 - 01:43pm PT
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Too funny, Dirtbag!
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dirtbag
climber
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Sep 16, 2010 - 02:11pm PT
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I agree, Lois has gotten far, far more nasty sh#t here than she has ever dished out.
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Sep 16, 2010 - 02:42pm PT
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I really don't have the time to read this old thread. I don't even try to follow LEB threads. Looking at the first couple of posts I found this very funny.
Karl Baba:
And when their responses inevitably turn into a self-referential feedback loop We're all guilty of Loisification around this joint. Ain't that part of the ego gratification component of the internet forum super glue?
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Sep 16, 2010 - 03:23pm PT
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Absolutely so.....BUT, I did NOT call Oxymoron (or you) a "stupid bitch" ... or, (more accurately, since I suspect you are both males) a "stupid prick." I exercised, at least, some modicum of politeness.
You are right Lois, you didn't do these things. You just have this supercilious tone that is guaranteed to piss people off. Sometimes I think you don't realize this, and other times I think that you are doing it on purpose. How dare someone question me. I am always right. You are a fool for questioning me.
You talk down to people, so they talk down back to you. Then when that elicits no response, they resort to name calling. Round and round it goes and you don't see your part.
You think not resorting to name calling makes your superior, but it doesn't, because of the supercilious tone.
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Oxymoron
Big Wall climber
total Disarray
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Sep 16, 2010 - 04:20pm PT
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If I met you in person, I'd still call you a stupid bitch.
Probably worse, you've got it coming.
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Sep 16, 2010 - 04:47pm PT
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I can't help but think that the "mindset" of this forum is very liberal, accordingly, there is "open season" on GOP i.e. conservative women. Such a person becomes a convenient target upon which to vent all the frustrations they hold for Bush, Cheney, etc. Any measure of civility goes out the window.
Oh.. stop blaming others and playing the "poor conservative woman" victim card. This opinion is exactly what I am talking about. Well.. mercy me.. no one else thinks that I act arrogant, it muuuuust be you. blah blah. I have shown you dozens of times how arrogant your communication is. You never seem to learn. You are the energizer bunny of arguing. There is no end to your arguing. You argue to hear yourself talk. You brag about how long you can argue.
This holds a key for you..
WRONG, WRONG, WRONG.
Your correctness depends on how one pronounces your avatar. So both answers can be correct; both can be incorrect. Even after having this pointed out, you maintain you were correct. If you can't see the other point of view on a simple thing like this, then you are not a reasonable person.
you responded with..
I don't care that he disagreed. In fact, YOU held the key to the whole thing namely how one pronounces it. Technically, you were correct (as was I) depending on how one pronounces the word. The problem was the vulgar name-calling. It gets tiresome after a while. In this case the vulgarity came from oxymoron. Your post was not the problem, as I recall.
No.. he is not "technically" correct. He is correct. By saying "technically", you are trying to make him sound wrong, in an effort to never admit that you were in part wrong. This is arrogance.
Your problem is that you think humbleness is a sign of weakness, when in fact it shows true strength. The strength of character that allows one to see when one makes a mistake, thus enabling them to grow at all times. That is true strength. Instead, you defend your beliefs to the death. That is the false ego. The funny part is that it is your death that will occur, as your ego can only lead you to death. But that is a whole nother area of conversation.
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dirtbag
climber
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Sep 16, 2010 - 04:56pm PT
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I just can't imagine calling anyone a stupid bitch.
Especially Lois. Jeezus, some of you guys are wound way too tightly.
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Sep 16, 2010 - 04:57pm PT
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Death by keyboard.
You got that right. But I feel bored and Lois is strangely compelling. So innocent sounding at times, and yet so deadly. "I only voted for George Bush twice because I thought that he would keep me safe". Weird sh#t. Whole countries were brought to ruin with her kind of thinking. The problem is that you can't beat it to death. It won't die.
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nutjob
Trad climber
Berkeley, CA
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Sep 16, 2010 - 05:10pm PT
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Malemute said:
On the other hand, if YOU are impervious to logic & reason, then you should be called names.
Or, instead of calling someone names, you can do as Karl suggested in the original post and just walk away.
I used to behave as in Malemute's suggestion when I was in a difficult marriage and couldn't cope with what I perceived as an audience impervious to logic and reason. My life got a lot better when I figured out how to walk away instead of reverting to name-calling.
Edit: I make a habit of not checking on LEB threads, but it was started by Karl and curiosity got the better of me this time. I'm ducking out before I share fates with the proverbial cat.
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Sep 16, 2010 - 05:32pm PT
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Where I draw exception is in using abusive language and attacking the person on other points/threads (which have nothing to do with politics) because of their views.
and where I draw exception is with your superior tone.
I do not feel like a "victim" I
It doesn't matter how you feel. It matters how you act. You pretend like you are a "poor poor conservative" long suffering woman. You used the excuse. I didn't.
You all are perfectly happy with the forum just the way it is and that is just fine
Stop trying to pigeon hole me. I do not like the name calling. I have apologized many times for my own name calling and I have asked people to stop many many times. I even voted to kick Crowley out because he couldn't control himself. So don't try to pigeon hole me. It is how you try to demean people and is another aspect of arrogance. It makes you feel better about yourself.
So basically you are wrong on every point, which is exactly why we are pissed at you. You are entitled to your opinion, and to whomever you vote for. But when you fail to see, and acknowledge and learn from your mistakes, when in fact you flat out refuse to acknowledge your mistakes by trying to say that no one could have forseen Bush's ineptitude, or trying to excuse your vote by saying that you thought the other guy would be worse, then you are just being obstinate and refusing to acknowledge your own mistake. It is that which pisses me off. It is pure arrogance and will be the ruin of this country, even this world.
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divad
Trad climber
wmass
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Sep 16, 2010 - 05:54pm PT
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aren't we at "the loising point" yet?
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Sep 16, 2010 - 06:07pm PT
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Obtuse comes to mind. Did I not say,, it doesn't matter how you feel. It matters how you act.
Good night Lois. I'm done.
And yes, we have reached the loising point long ago. Passed it many many times.
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divad
Trad climber
wmass
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Sep 16, 2010 - 06:31pm PT
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listen, then engage brain before putting mouth in gear
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Sep 16, 2010 - 07:02pm PT
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It doesn't matter how you feel. It matters how you act. You pretend like you are a "poor poor conservative" long suffering woman. You used the excuse. I didn't.
Again, I do NOT feel like a victim.
I said earlier that it didn't matter how you felt if you acted like one and yet you say.. "Again, I do not FEEL LIKE a victim". Why did you say that you didn't FEEL like a victim when I told you that it didn't matter how you felt, that it mattered how you acted? Perhaps because you don't really try to understand where a person is coming from or what they are actually saying? You just check to see if you agree with them, and if you don't, then you argue. That or you prejudge where they are coming from using black and white logic.
You acted like a victim by saying that you were picked on because you were a conservative female. You aren't picked on because you are a conservative female. You are picked on because you are arrogant and have a supercilious tone. You are right and NO ONE is going to be able to tell you differently, no matter the facts. How many times have you ignored facts? That is your attitude. That is arrogance.
Here is an example. You thought that we went to war with Iraq because it was involved in 911. You believed this and no matter how many different ways we showed you, you didn't believe us until someone you trusted showed you. It didn't matter how many different publications or what source we showed you, you still believed what you wanted to believe. You even said a source that you normally rely on wasn't reliable, which was hilarious and sad considering that you had earlier quoted it as being reliable. This is how you defend your beliefs. No matter what you are shown, if it disagrees with what you believe, then it is wrong. That... is arrogance.
Once you understand that, then you will be able to understand what I am saying and why I get frustrated. You epitomize the republican party in your ignorant arrogance. That is why I try to understand you, because no matter what you think of me, I do respect the republican party and want it back to what it once was. An actual representative of conservative values. It no longer represent that. It represents arrogance.
Here is something for you to think about. Some of the most arrogant people on this planet are also the most civil. Being civil is not proof that one isn't arrogant. Arrogance stems from pride. If you pride yourself on civility, then of course you will be civil. But is it really being civil if you talk down to someone?.... Nope. Calling names is not civil, neither is talking down to someone. Two sides of the same coin.
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Douglas Rhiner
Mountain climber
Tahoe City/Talmont , CA
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Sep 16, 2010 - 07:07pm PT
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LEB,
It goes to the whole thing of the child asking "why?" 43 times in a conversation that has been going on for 1 minute.
The inquisitiveness is good, but the "why?" gets annoying.
You are the adult version of this scenario.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Sep 16, 2010 - 07:14pm PT
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Can someone who is an objective observer PLEASE explain the dynamics of what is going on to me.
You condescend to people and they resent it, often causing them to 'act-out' in a rude manner. Not being an attentive listener, (ie; causing people to repeat themselves), doesn't particularly help defuse this dynamic.
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LED
Social climber
the great beyond
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Sep 16, 2010 - 07:37pm PT
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Sep 16, 2010 - 07:38pm PT
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Such grammar for an educated man. You mean, they are AN LEB. What is the matter with you.
This is sneering condescension. Yes, we know that you have been attacked by Dr F. but you pretend civility when in fact you take glee in trying to demean him. That is condescending.
Any time you think someone has attacked you, you speak this way to them. You pretend civility. See how nice I speak to you.. as the acid drips off your tongue.
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Oxymoron
Big Wall climber
total Disarray
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Sep 16, 2010 - 07:46pm PT
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A stake in the heart. It's the only way.
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edejom
Boulder climber
Butte, America
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Sep 16, 2010 - 07:54pm PT
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LEB's new forum, here: TROLLSRUS
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Sep 16, 2010 - 07:56pm PT
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I thought that might be a bad example. It is not the only one. It is so ingrained in you that it isn't surprising that you do not see it. I have shown you many times, but you always failed to see. Once again, not surprising. You have a long history of not seeing. What is surprising is that you are intelligent, yet can't see what so many see.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Sep 16, 2010 - 08:04pm PT
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HOW do I condescend? Give me an example of how I "condescend."
No one has ever mentioned this before?
i'll try to highlight a clear example that best illustrates this. Moosie ( and others) may have some ideas. Too bad Ed seems to have boycotted these...
and I don't mean anything about the way you interact with me, you're pretty direct with me.
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MisterE
Social climber
Bouncy Tiggerville
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Sep 17, 2010 - 12:04am PT
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Lois, one thing that stand out glaringly is you never concede a point, put in a different way: it seems you won't allow other people to be right if it contradicts what you have stated or believe. It's as if you allow this, then your whole way of behavior over a lifetime comes into question, and that is something you simply cannot allow.
Many of us call this allowance "growth". You see, by this allowing, this acceptance of a fear, that which you cling to most desperately, one can move away from a constant state of denial and stasis. Denial of behavior, patterns, other people being right, ad nauseum.
Lois, you seem like the adolescent spirit that the more challenged, the more vehemently you defend your perspective. Allow your spirit to mature, and you will find the risk ultimately rewarding, if initially uncomfortable.
This is the "Loising Point" you must allow to melt away from your identity of self, if you wish this to quit dogging you throughout your life.
You see, those lessons we refuse to learn always come back to us until we move through and past them.
Stated another way: The important lessons in life are never the easy ones, so when things get difficult to understand, it is important to consider the lesson, and allow it.
Erik
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dirtbag
climber
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Sep 17, 2010 - 12:19am PT
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Don't you leave us Lois!!!!!!!!
The evil one
Seconded.
But I wouldn't blame her if she did.
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MisterE
Social climber
Bouncy Tiggerville
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Sep 17, 2010 - 12:20am PT
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No, Lois. I have almost never owned other people's psychosis or behavior as my own. It is simply not mine, so I do not find a need to engage it. Yes, I get angry occasionally, I disagree, I am threatened, hurt and insulted - but none of that is my being. It is all external, and as such, so much noise to keep me from the important stuff.
Thus, I find the importance of the lesson, consider it, concede a learning if there is one, and let it go.
Even in the worst circumstances - actually, going back to the difficulty rule mentioned above, especially in the difficult situations.
One has to find their own path to this acceptance, inevitably. It gets easier, fortunately.
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LED
Social climber
the great beyond
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Sep 17, 2010 - 12:32am PT
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MisterE
Social climber
Bouncy Tiggerville
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Sep 17, 2010 - 12:36am PT
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That is because you are none of those things you have been called - you draw the negativity to you by choosing those references, and then have to defend yourself. It seems to be a comfortable space for you at some level, if a little masochistic. You are simply Lois, and not a static being capable of being pigeon-holed if you choose for it to be so.
The problem here lies in that you have created an auto-response with many of the members, and that is now a tough one to shake.
Some consideration and agreement, like we have had, even in the face of insults (*ahem* especially...) can go a long way.
OK, that's all from me tonight, I gotta water the garden and take the garbage out...
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WBraun
climber
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Sep 17, 2010 - 12:38am PT
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Lois, we climbers are proud that we are not average
False pride?
Climbers are less likely to blindly accept authority (than the rest of the sheep).
More false pride?
Climbers at some point have to bow to the forces of Mother Nature.
And even more false pride?
Every living entity has to bow to the forces of Mother Nature .......
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Sep 17, 2010 - 01:05am PT
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Yes, Erik, this IS all true. But the scary part is the fact that I am starting to buy into this world view here that I am actually the deviant one. This is not healthy or normal. It is like when the abused woman starts to buy into the paradigm that she deserves to be abused. I can't fall into that trap. I know better. So what the f*#k am I doing here allow this to happen. It is beginning to creep into my reality. It is starting to "get to" me. That is a danger sign and I recognize it. I cannot allow this to happen.
This is just your ego speaking. No one says that you are the deviant one. That is your false ego which says you have to be all right, or you are all wrong. Nothing is further from the truth, but that is what your ego believes. So the more you listen to your false ego, the scarier it gets. It says that if you listen to us, then you are all bad. But that is not what we said. We said you need to be less invested with your ego, because it makes you condescending and trapped in false beliefs, as you were about the Iraq war. You think the problem was that you just weren't educated enough, but that was not the problem. The problem was that you thought too highly of your own knowledge base and weren't willing to listen to those you had labeled as false because you labeled them as liberals, which in your world are bad. You have lived too long hearing that liberals are bad.
Jaybro is sort of liberal, and is a decent person whom you say that you respect, but he says that you are condescending. Uh oh.. what are you going to do? Oh I know.. make it black and white and run, because we must be wrong. Or do the opposite of that and stay and just ignore.. He just has to be wrong.
Or how about this. Stay and try to understand that it is not the end of the world to make mistakes. That false pride will kill you, but you can overcome false pride by not feeding it. Feed your true self instead. The problem comes in trying to figure out what your true self is.
It is not so much "leaving" as the realization that maybe I have fallen into an unhealthy environment where my world views are too much at odds with the norm for the place.
This is where you either decide to feed your ego, or stay where you are challenged. It is your choice, but don't expect staying to be easy. Climbers tend to challenge themselves a lot. Some more then others, but still that is common.
You say it is about what you believe. I say it is how you handle those beliefs. There are other folks on this forum who believe like you and they don't get as much sh#t as you do. Your answer is that you are a woman. That is sexism.
Maybe the answer is that you are condescending and have false pride and need to take a look at that. But that would rock your world. Well, some folks have their whole world taken away from them so that the universe can reveal to them their pride. Others listen when given the opportunity. This is your opportunity.
How stubborn were you about Iraq? Do you even remember? Your stubbornness was just pride and arrogance. One of the best things about challenging yourself in the wilderness is the humility that one can gain. You see folks like Jello with great great great abilities, and yet humble and able to admit mistakes. According to him he was not always humble, but life showed him the need for humility.
You have mistaken humility for weakness. That is your error. Jello is not weak. Nor are others here who have humility. True humility is a strength. In the wilderness it will save your ass. Humility is not that "poor me" that you seem to think it is. It is recognizing that you can't know everything. It is recognizing that everyone has some talent. It has no need to think of oneself as better then another. It will at times recognize the need to take authority, when one does have more knowledge. But proper authority knows that it isn't always right, so it is willing to listen. There is a fine line between true strength and just plain stubbornness.
You have strength, but you channel it into stubbornness because you think it is a sign of weakness to acknowledge a mistake.
Now you will tell me how wrong I am. haha..
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Sep 17, 2010 - 01:05am PT
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You probably won't relate to this analogy because you are a man
There's a good, typical example. Now imagine how that would sound the other way around.
Empathy does exist in the male brain. You know that, right?
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Sep 17, 2010 - 01:09am PT
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Excellent point Jaybro.. How condescending to think that a man can't empathize with a woman.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Sep 17, 2010 - 01:12am PT
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Yeah, some of us actually enjoy a long walk on the beach
especially if there's a worthwhile point break awaiting.
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WBraun
climber
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Sep 17, 2010 - 01:22am PT
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In the old days, a climber that had climbed more than a couple years wasn't an idiot, because the idiots either injured or killed themselves; or they scared themselves so badly that they quit the sport.
This is pure bullsh'it Malemute .....
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Mimi
climber
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Sep 17, 2010 - 01:36am PT
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Lois, give it up. Again.
You've been here long enough to know better. You're engaging with a rough crowd especially on the internet. You're attempting to develop relationships with strangers in an arena that you have never known. Nor do you show any inclination to even dabble in it except for here. You dive in, get pummeled because of your opining, and come back for more. I've lectured you before about using your time more wisely. The ST is a total distraction for you. Some of us are your lab rats. I hate to bring it to you on a third grade level but you're never coming into the treehouse until you can climb the rope.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Sep 17, 2010 - 01:41am PT
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You just have to pay attention while listening.
and ignore the drivebys.
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Mimi
climber
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Sep 17, 2010 - 01:50am PT
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That's a stupid question. Go onward and be bountiful. I'm sure you'll be back again someday when you get back to procastinating on something more important. Just consider the ST a bad habit. You'll feel better about leaving.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Sep 17, 2010 - 01:54am PT
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Mimi's (apt) treehouse analogy reminded me of this bit of, historic Video lore;
[Duke hurts his hand trying to open the trunk of the Malibu.]
Archie: Aw, Dukie Wookie hurt his wittle hand.
Duke: F*#k you, Archie! Just for that, you're not in the gang any more.
Archie: I'm taking over now.
Debbie: Oh, leave it!
Archie: King Archie! The Invincible!
Duke: Shut up, Archie!
Archie: Hey Debbie! Watch this!
[Archie opens the trunk and is vaporized by the contents.]
J. Frank Parnell [blankly]: Oh, my. What a shame.
Debbie: Duke, let's go do those crimes!
Duke: Yeah. Let's get sushi... and not pay!
-There is little in life that cannot be explained with a metaphor from Repoman, The 'Blueboy' episode of Dragnet, The Grateful Dead, or climbing...
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Mimi
climber
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Sep 17, 2010 - 01:59am PT
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AC, as you well know, we can also pull the rope UP and make you skin your knees trying to ascend without it.
Lois Edit: Yep, we is some coooolldddd turkeys over heah.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Sep 17, 2010 - 02:01am PT
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You gonna let maybe, some of us know where this "over the rainbow" site is? If we promise not to tell. And give you back the top bunk?
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edejom
Boulder climber
Butte, America
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Sep 17, 2010 - 02:02am PT
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"There are places where people can talk to one another without having to dodge stray bullets."--LEB
...so in 3 paragraphs, tell us why you are still here:
...or (hopefully) knott!
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Mimi
climber
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Sep 17, 2010 - 02:03am PT
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No AC, it's all the good people on here that will run you out of town again if you get out of line. You've had two strikes already. Or was it three? I lose track of the ball marks.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Sep 17, 2010 - 02:10am PT
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Let's click our heels and go back to 'Papa John'.....
AC you goin' to Facelift, I think a bunch of us will be spending our time in the meadows.
and Lois, i do get the recovering addict metaphor; Supertaco seratonin....
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Mimi
climber
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Sep 17, 2010 - 02:11am PT
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Lois, most eastern religions will require you to get beyond yourself. That will be a worthy challenge especially when you can't get past us. LOL! Sorry, just kidding really. I'm sure there are a multitude of those sites to ask questions. There seems to be limited resources here that elect to engage on the subject. May you have better luck at the Indian restaurant than at the tacostand.
If you really want to be here, ignore the haters. Have a good night.
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edejom
Boulder climber
Butte, America
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Sep 17, 2010 - 02:21am PT
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LEB, I don't "throw bullets", I try to help folks see and deal with REALITY, open their consciousness, and expose one's inner-self.
You seeing that as a bullet defines your weakness in all three areas--'til next time, toots:-)
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Sep 17, 2010 - 02:21am PT
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www.widefetish.com
a kinder gentler supertaco...
and Crowely, I ride BART, I wouldn't know an ontime train, if it hit me...
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Sep 17, 2010 - 02:31am PT
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Staying tuned...
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Sep 17, 2010 - 02:38am PT
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If you only knew...
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Sep 17, 2010 - 09:58am PT
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Well, you are sort of an example of what I am talking about and why I don't want to be here. There are lots of people like you around here.
And yet here you still are.
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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Sep 17, 2010 - 11:02am PT
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"oh damned LEB-presence! die, i say!" -- cap'n pate-hab
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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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Sep 17, 2010 - 11:20am PT
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LEB - "That is why it is very important to me not to be so strong as to step on the rights of others. That feeds right into what I was saying in the other thread. When I read about how miserable I was making all these putatively grown men (and a few women), I did not think, as some believe, "whoa is me." Actually, John, I thought "Oh God, what AM I doing to these poor people." I thought "I am torturing them." They really did whine, big time and I do mean whine. I thought, I'd better get out of here and find someplace that can handle me better. I am too dominating and heavy handed for this place. The difference between me and someone like Cheney is that I DO care if I am making someone's life miserable."
how about that for condescending?
by the looks of it... this is a more explanitory fattrad. Able to articulate thoughts, or at least fill in some blanks..
good job (the use of a "positive" word does not always mean "good" for you)
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WBraun
climber
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Sep 17, 2010 - 11:48am PT
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The whole thing here is Lois is who she is.
Many of you just can't accept that.
It's not her it's, YOU.
If you're stupid enough to engage with her and you don't get get back what you really want, and you get upset, then it's your own stupid fault.
All you whiners already described all her faults whether true or false based on your own projections and experiences so you have no one else to blame except yourselves.
Move on, it's that simple.
But NO, you keep engaging her infinitely like idiots .......
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Homer
Mountain climber
742 Evergreen Terrace
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Sep 17, 2010 - 12:54pm PT
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Seems like negative attention beats no attention on both sides. Probably the same dynamic working for all of us.
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Sep 17, 2010 - 01:08pm PT
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Malamute, for many people, it seems that not agreeing is the same as not listening.
Nonsense. How long did it take for you to figure out that Iraq had nothing to do with 911?
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Sep 17, 2010 - 01:20pm PT
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So then you admit that you are stubborn?
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dirtbag
climber
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Mar 16, 2017 - 12:03pm PT
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Bumpetty-bump-bump!
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'Pass the Pitons' Pete
Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
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Mar 16, 2017 - 12:31pm PT
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One of the All-Time Best Supertopo posts, sheer brilliance by Karl Baba!
I frequently think of the term "Loisification".
I wonder what she's up to these days? Do you think she still Loisfies other internet forums?
Good ol' Lois....
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John M
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Mar 16, 2017 - 12:55pm PT
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I agree Pete. Funny thread. I think about loisificatxon too. Perhaps a different version of it is the black is white, white is black people. Some people, no matter what you say to them, they will twist it into meaning something else. Then there are the people Werner calls politards, who keep saying the same things over and over, as though thats going to change things.
By the way.. Lois is posting on the political thread today.. Good catch Dirtbag. Its funny how once you see her posts, she is so easily identified.
Man.. life is funny right now. So many bizarre things going on.
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