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WBraun
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High quality cam video. I've even installed one in one of the Valley's crown vic's.
Not good to leave the guy laying there so close to the road. What if he got up all woozy and accidentally staggered into oncoming traffic.
Not going to comment on the officers actions. I would first have to be in his shoes at the very moment.
Basically you always cooperate. The guy was uncooperative and thus set the tone. Remember that officer is out there by himself and will do anything to protect himself if he even thinks there will be a problem. You can argue well the guy just walked away.
Yeah, but the trooper might have thought now the guy is going to take flight? And a bigger scenario might start up.
There's a ton of variables that come into play on these routine traffic stops, try one sometime and you'll see what I mean.
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Shack
Big Wall climber
Reno NV
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WOW! What a dumbass!!
He definitely was asking for a tazering.
I have no sympathy for that idiot.
If you resist or don't follow instructions = Tazer.
That guy was gonna bolt or at least looked like he was.
The wife is lucky she didn't go for interfering.
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Watusi
Social climber
Newport, OR
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Yeah it appears that the motorist wasn't complying...But the officer didn't seem like he was the sharpest tool in the shed either.
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Shack
Big Wall climber
Reno NV
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Did you hear some of crap that dude was saying to the cop?
Demanding to know this and that..like he was in charge.
Maybe he'll have better luck demanding things from the judge.
PS. If the cop has already written the ticket,
there is no chance in hell of talking your way out of it. Duh.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
Nowhere
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 8, 2007 - 12:22am PT
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They were both idiots, but the cop was being an idiot on the taxpayer's dime.
The cop is lucky the wife didn't have a CWP.
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WoodySt
Trad climber
Riverside
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Just dump the tasers and go back to the 9mm.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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How was the cop threatened?
Was the guy farting?
Sorry. You get what you pay for. If you can't pay six figures to someone who carries weapons then you'll see more of this.
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Ricardo Carlos
Trad climber
Off center, CO.
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Attitude, Attitude , boys and girls.
Having been pulled over 36 times in the past 16 years. Resulting in four tickets two that stuck What can I say Attitude.
The guy learns a lesson
1 Argues with cop not real smart
2 Will not sign ticket . Give me a break, to what point
3 The guy walks around even puts his fingers of right hand in his pocket. After being told to stop and put his hands behind his back.
How fking clear is that.
Put your hands behind your back.
Guess in the 70s and early 80s I spent too much time not being noticed , even though my driving now gets me noticed.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Look, I agree with you on 1, 2, and 3, Ricardo, but I just don't think the idiot driver crossed a threshold that justified zapping him. His heart could have vapor locked.
Sure, he was an idiot in denial, but he could have just been cuffed by a more competent professional officer.
Seems like the video shows three people screwing up to various degrees.
Welcome to the human race.
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John Moosie
climber
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3 people screwing up. Yep.
I picture the guy getting tazed falling into the highway and getting run over. The cop went for the tazor too soon. You can see from the beginning that he is out of patience. His lack of patience endangered that guy. It doesn't matter if the dude is an idiot. The cop is paid to protect idiots from themselves. He should have first ordered the man over to the side of the vehicle away from the highway. He went for the tazor way too soon.
Cop lost his cool. Give him some more training and hopefully he wont get anyone killed. It would have been real ugly if that guy had fallen into the highway and gotten run over.
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Wow - you guys crack me up!
So beside the fact that the motorist is a complete smart-ass moron,
should the cop just stand there while the guy walks toward the car
(with his hands obscured/in pocket, BTW), and have faiith that he wasn't
going to take off, let alone spin around and start shooting with a weapon
retrieved from the car? A whole lot of cops have been killed in situations
much less heated than this. You NEVER let someone who is under arrest
saunter back to the car! Put down the peace pipe, you deluded hippies!
Hate to break it to you folks, but driving is a privilege, knott a right.
In case you forgot, when you signed the form for your Driver License,
there's a bit in the knott-so fine print about obeying traffic officers...
This wasn't the sort of situation to let wishful-thinking get in the way of common sense,
at least knott as long as cops are getting killed every other week around the country.
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John Moosie
climber
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Hardman, Watch almost any other cop. They would have ordered him over to the side of the vehicles away from the highway BEFORE telling the guy to turn around. That is just common procedure. He was too casual in controlling the man before he attempted to arrest him. Until he told the man to turn around and put his hands behind his back, the man was obeying. The cop should have used that opportunity to get the man away from the highway.
Then tell him to turn around and put his hands behind his back.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
Nowhere
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 8, 2007 - 03:35pm PT
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Did the cop ever tell him he was under arrest?
I did knott hear him say that.
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Good point about the guy being so close to the road/falling into the road.
I watched the video a few more times, and the guy walked straight back,
then turns around, puts his hands in his pocket saying: "What the heck's wrong with you"...
It does knott take a rocket scientist to realize that refusing to sign a ticket will
get you arrested or at least detained (in cuffs), so it's pretty irrelevant whether
he is told "You are under arrest". In fact, it's knott necessary to tell them anything
until they have been detained, as I understand it. As every 15 year old with a learner's
permit knows, if you do knott obey the nice officer, you WILL go to jail.
Uh, hello?
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HighGravity
climber
Here, but will be there next week
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Well, he was good to go on that, but there were a ton of other safety issues the officer had way before the taser came out.
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the_don
Trad climber
Arlington, VA
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There's a lot of talk about what happened right before the guy got tazed. But how did it even get that far?
It's possible the whole situation could have been avoided if the cop had calmly explained to the guy that he had a choice between signing the ticket and being arrested. As it was, it went straight from "Sign the ticket," to "Get out of the car."
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Another good point. Although I seriously doubt the guy would have reacted differently.
Again, every 15 year old with a learner's permit knows what happens if you don't sign
the ticket. I never forgot that little fact. Why should we assume everyone else does?
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John Moosie
climber
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The cop was impatient from the beginning. This guy would have eventually cooperated. But the cop sounded like he was having a bad day and decided he wasn't going to take anymore gruff. If everyone who argued with a cop was arrested, the jails would be overloaded.
The cop shouldn't have to take crap off of people, but that is part of what he is paid for. At the beginning, when the dude said he didn't see another 40 mph sign, this could have been true. He could have been looking the other way. He could have been passing a big rig at the time he passed the sign. Lots of things keep you from seeing signs. Even when you are looking for them.
But the cop was frustrated and that is a bad sign to begin with. He escalated things way too fast and made a few bad decisions which put the dude in danger.
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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I thought A. Crowley would be smart enough to know that the side of the freeway
is knott the place to argue the case - that's what the courts are for. And A. Crowley
would certainly be smart enough knott to get all bossy with the cop, as if he's the
one running the show...
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