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Ben Rumsen
Mountain climber
Sacramento, CA
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" Why does a park ranger have to carry an automatic weapon?! " -
Are the Rangers equiped with M16's or AR15's? Think I'll go shoot my AR this Saturday!!
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Jody
Mountain climber
CA
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"Why does a park ranger have to carry an automatic weapon?!"
They don't, the AR-15 is a semi-auto version of the M-16.
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scabang
climber
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Tut, tut Jodie (sic)
In the forces we had a name for wannabee's,like you - Dickless Tracy's.
I bet that you have all your miniature Seal operators lined up next to your bath. Wanker.
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dufas
Trad climber
san francisco
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oh man. that was a piece of high art radical. I've got tears in my eyes as I'm humming america the beautiful . . . thank you. really.
scabang, welcome to the jody basher club.
jody, you're an idiot.
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anachronism
Trad climber
Yosemite, CA
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Ok, let's all accept Judy's point that these are not M-16's but rather AR-15's. They are not automatic weapons. But lets now ask why, after Jody showed us two versions of the same weapon (mini 14 VS AR15), why these Dickless Tracy's need to carry the mean looking version. Hiding behind a small dick I suppose....
"seal operators next to your bath" Bwaahahahaaaahaaa
Guys, I can't drink my coffee at this rate. The humor is killing my sides and now my keyboard and monitor is soaked with french roast.
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Jody
Mountain climber
CA
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scabang...what exactly is it that makes me a wannabe?
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Jody
Mountain climber
CA
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" But lets now ask why, after Jody showed us two versions of the same weapon (mini 14 VS AR15), why these Dickless Tracy's need to carry the mean looking version."
Because they are more accurate weapons.
scabang, dufas, anchronism...you three stooges are sure showing your maturity level. Why don't you at least attempt to convey your point without stooping to immature name-calling and such? You guys are pathetic.
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jfk
climber
Santa Barbara, CA
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Well, I don't know anything about firearms either, and I don't know where I stand on the level of firepowers rangers should have, but if rangers, LE, etc. are going to be armed, I'd rather have them carry the scariest looking weapons manufactured. In my book, it's the old ounce of prevention versus pound of cure argument.
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Jody
Mountain climber
CA
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Apr 10, 2004 - 11:45am PT
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"How are the Mini-14 and AR-15 versions of the same weapon? Not built on the same action as far as I know."
You are correct, they are different actions. They are the same in that they are 1.semi-auto, 2.shoot 5.56(.223) ammo, 3.they use detachable clips(some versions work in both weapons).
I think we need to differentiate between "LE rangers" and "campground rangers". I have had some absolutely terrible experiences with "campground rangers" harrassing people. "Climbing rangers" and "LE rangers" I have never had problems with.
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funkness
Boulder climber
Ca.
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Apr 10, 2004 - 12:41pm PT
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Last summer while hiking back to curry from Half dome I passed a Ranger who was wearing a pistol on his belt. I cant figure out WTF he needs a gun in the backcountry for. What is the threat? maybe he was scared of Bears? or unruly hikers cutting switchbacks? Seems to me there is absolutly no need for guns in the Yosemite backcountry.
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Jody
Mountain climber
CA
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Apr 10, 2004 - 02:22pm PT
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Funkness, if you don't want to carry a gun, don't. It would be stupid to send a ranger out without defense. Like I have said before, all it takes is one incident for a gun to be justified. What do you fear from a ranger with a gun? The only people that should be fearing it are those that are up to no good. What makes you think taht bad guys will leave their weapons behind when they come into a park? Personally, I think everybody should be armed...the bad guys would think twice before harrassing people. By wishing that nobody, including rangers, ahd guns, you are enabling the bad guys to roam around without fear of resistance.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Apr 10, 2004 - 09:53pm PT
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If the rangers are going to have assault weopons, I think it's fine if they LOOK like assault weapons. Perhaps the show of force will make their use less liekly.
For whatever faults they have, I haven't heard about NPS misusing deadly force, except for that ranger who shot himself.
20 years ago I worked for employee housing. We had to call the rangers on some bikers causing trouble in the dorms. They came and got this guy and walked him out towards their NPS vechicle. The guy kept talking about his bad ass "feets" and how he was a martial arts expert and could rip their hearts out with his 'feets.' When he got out to the car he assumed a karate stance and started making hissing noises. There were at least 5 rangers surrounding him. That was the only time I ever saw a ranger unclip the holster of his weapon but he didn't draw it. Then the two oldest rangers in Yosemite, Jo Anne Cross and Lanning, both probably over 50 by a long ways, just walked up to the guy and got his arms behind his back and took em away.
I have heard a few nightmare stories about the rangers from folks who I suspect were telling the truth. I suspect when NPS decides they want you out of the park, they apply a different standard of fairness to you. My experience has been 30% outstanding, 50% neutral, and 20% negative. Of the 20% negative 10% of that would be for them being too slack.
When I ran housing in Wawona, I got a call from a woman near midnight that a guy with a club was trying to break into her house. I just had a big flashlight since you aren't allowed to have guns in company housing, so I called NPS and then went out and staked the guy out. He was at her door threatening to do horrible things to the woman inside. Naturally he was drunk or on drugs. I decided to stay hidden and only come to the rescue if he managed to open her door or try to go through the window. I called NPS several more times over the next 45 minutes while waiting for them to show up. The guy was big and he had a big stick. Finally he wandered off and went into some guest cabin.
Much later,when NPS showed up, they talked to the guy and just let him walk. I've seen em do that in several situations over the years. If arresting them is a hassle, like they would have to drive them down to the valley or if they're foreign or something, they make it easy on themselves and let em go. Naturally different rangers might not do that.
I did pass an off duty ranger many years ago over the double yellow lines (used to be dotted the year before) I didn't know he was a ranger and he had a red pickup with a gun rack. The guy started chasing me and I thought he must be some nut job so I lost em in my red BMW 2002. They had a bunch of rangers waiting for me when I reached the valley. I told em I was just trying to lose this guy who was chasing me. Then the guy shows up! When I told the story in court they reduced the charges to just the passing over the lines.
There's one guy that used to post here that had a ranger watch him pull off the road and go into the woods to take a leak. When he returned to his car, the ranger made threats that if he saw his weener he could have busted him for indecent exposure!
I hate to admit this but many years ago I was a bit whacked out on drugs and the rangers paid me a visit since a well meaning person called them to save me. I know they planned on hauling me off but I was nice to them and they were totally cool to me. They didn't charge me or ask me to rat anybody out.
So I think they're just humans of various sorts and their job can be stressful and using power wisely is hard for anybody, much less somebody getting paid diddly.
We gotta call em on it when they get out of hand, but we owe em some respect and understanding as well.
PEace
karl
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Apr 10, 2004 - 09:57pm PT
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If the rangers are going to have assault weopons, I think it's fine if they LOOK like assault weapons. Perhaps the show of force will make their use less liekly.
For whatever faults they have, I haven't heard about NPS misusing deadly force, except for that ranger who shot himself.
20 years ago I worked for employee housing. We had to call the rangers on some bikers causing trouble in the dorms. They came and got this guy and walked him out towards their NPS vechicle. The guy kept talking about his bad ass "feets" and how he was a martial arts expert and could rip their hearts out with his 'feets.' When he got out to the car he assumed a karate stance and started making hissing noises. There were at least 5 rangers surrounding him. That was the only time I ever saw a ranger unclip the holster of his weapon but he didn't draw it. Then the two oldest rangers in Yosemite, Jo Anne Cross and Lanning, both probably over 50 by a long ways, just walked up to the guy and got his arms behind his back and took em away.
I have heard a few nightmare stories about the rangers from folks who I suspect were telling the truth. I suspect when NPS decides they want you out of the park, they apply a different standard of fairness to you. My experience has been 30% outstanding, 50% neutral, and 20% negative. Of the 20% negative 10% of that would be for them being too slack.
When I ran housing in Wawona, I got a call from a woman near midnight that a guy with a club was trying to break into her house. I just had a big flashlight since you aren't allowed to have guns in company housing, so I called NPS and then went out and staked the guy out. He was at her door threatening to do horrible things to the woman inside. Naturally he was drunk or on drugs. I decided to stay hidden and only come to the rescue if he managed to open her door or try to go through the window. I called NPS several more times over the next 45 minutes while waiting for them to show up. The guy was big and he had a big stick. Finally he wandered off and went into some guest cabin.
Much later,when NPS showed up, they talked to the guy and just let him walk. I've seen em do that in several situations over the years. If arresting them is a hassle, like they would have to drive them down to the valley or if they're foreign or something, they make it easy on themselves and let em go. Naturally different rangers might not do that.
I did pass an off duty ranger many years ago over the double yellow lines (used to be dotted the year before) I didn't know he was a ranger and he had a red pickup with a gun rack. The guy started chasing me and I thought he must be some nut job so I lost em in my red BMW 2002. They had a bunch of rangers waiting for me when I reached the valley. I told em I was just trying to lose this guy who was chasing me. Then the guy shows up! When I told the story in court they reduced the charges to just the passing over the lines.
There's one guy that used to post here that had a ranger watch him pull off the road and go into the woods to take a leak. When he returned to his car, the ranger made threats that if he saw his weener he could have busted him for indecent exposure!
I hate to admit this but many years ago I was a bit whacked out on drugs and the rangers paid me a visit since a well meaning person called them to save me. I know they planned on hauling me off but I was nice to them and they were totally cool to me. They didn't charge me or ask me to rat anybody out.
So I think they're just humans of various sorts and their job can be stressful and using power wisely is hard for anybody, much less somebody getting paid diddly.
We gotta call em on it when they get out of hand, but we owe em some respect and understanding as well.
PEace
karl
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Jody
Mountain climber
CA
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Apr 10, 2004 - 09:58pm PT
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Karl, that post was excellent. A breath of fresh air from the misguided political posts you usually make!:)
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Demented
climber
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Apr 11, 2004 - 10:29am PT
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Karl, got any ranger grady bryant stories? he was a friend of mine B4 he became The Man. i dunno how long he was posted in YO.. most of the 80s i think..
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WBraun
climber
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Apr 11, 2004 - 11:10am PT
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He's still here. See him almost every day....good man!
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