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Nor Cal
Trad climber
San Mateo
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 2, 2004 - 03:24pm PT
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"Think about it. Federal land, buildings, and employees are prime targets for attack, especially nowadays. The LE rangers should have as much firepower as possible"
Jody you are right.
I dont think my Mini 14 is as accurate as those Bushmaster ARs but it sure is a nice gun. I just dont have the cash to buy the M1A or AR. So I settled, at least my rounds are common.
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Dave
Mountain climber
Fresno
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Dood, if the A-rabs start bombing El Cap, I'm moving to Bolivia. They'd be really desparate by that time. Give me a break.
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Jody
Mountain climber
CA
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Hey Dave, who said anything about Arabs. What about wackos that hate the Feds...remember Timothy McVeigh? There are plenty of weirdos out there that see any government employee as the enemy and would like nothing better than to take one out. Take your head out of the sand...nobody can be trusted at any time.
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Couloir
Trad climber
Yosemite, CA
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Hey everyone, there's a nascar race on tv right now. Break out your Coors and start beating the kids. Damn gun nuts.
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Jody
Mountain climber
CA
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Nor Cal...I own a Mini-14 also...nice weapon. Isn't it amazing that the Mini-14 shoots the same round as the AR-15, uses very similar magazines(some are interchangeable), and is semi-auto, yet the AR-15 is labeled an "Assault weapon" and the Mini-14 isn't?
Why? Because the AR-15 looks nasty.
Mini-14:
AR-15:
No difference other than looks.
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can't say
Social climber
Pasadena CA
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Dood..go hang at the deli and swill some OE, then go hang in that dirt hole they call a campground and like every other loser there you get to beat your own meat cause the women that are there belong in Montana...LOL..just kidding to all those Montana peeps.
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Dave
Mountain climber
Fresno
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"nobody can be trusted at any time"
Great way to live your life. I don't trust you, Jody.
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Jody
Mountain climber
CA
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Dave, don't be a dork...you know what I meant. You have to be on your guard at all times, especially in law enforcement and even more so with federal LE.
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Clayman
Trad climber
CA
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No, doods, whats up with the orange shotguns that I have seen them rangers toting around. I was at the meadow grill in towulume one time and this ranger got out of her ttruck with a big, regular sized orange shotgun. Like, the pump and the stock were both bright orange. Rest was black, sup with that?? Anyone else seen this??
-corbin.
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Jody
Mountain climber
CA
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Clayman...these shotguns are used for "less-than-lethal" applications such as beanbags, etc.
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tyrone
Trad climber
california
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i can think of plenty of situations that could arise where park rangers would benefit from having an AR15 since they are the only LE for miles. for example, a guy working at the valley grocery store has a girlfriend that works at the lodge. chick leaves said grocery store checker for a hunk climber. checker goes psycho had goes to the lodge to kill the chick, the climber, and himself......and whoever else is around at the lodge.
until they have hum-vees with mounted 60cals at the park gates i think arming the park rangers is no big deal.
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Jody
Mountain climber
CA
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Screw arguing about rangers possessing AR-15s...I think ALL law-abiding citizens should possess one.
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'Pass the Pitons' Pete
Big Wall climber
like Oakville, Ontario, Canada, eh?
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{sigh} I love the way you Merricans talk about your assault rifles and hand guns. All we're allowed up here in the Great White North is deer rifles and moose shotguns, eh? [However I am known to shoot a little beaver from time to time...]
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Dave
Mountain climber
Fresno
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I had my fun shooting M16s and M60s in HS & college. I agree with whoever it was that that kind of power is not needed in the hands of rangers. Does the Valley really needs a SWAT team?
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Clayman
Trad climber
CA
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Less than lethal, why would rangers need that?
And Guido-- are you saichis younger brother, that used to yard duty at my school, (palmer)? I remember Ian telling me that you did have a toatally crazy like m-16 or something like that.... I might have the wrong person...but any who...
-corbin
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Jody
Mountain climber
CA
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"I agree with whoever it was that that kind of power is not needed in the hands of rangers. Does the Valley really needs a SWAT team? "
What are you afraid of? You think the rangers are going to use it on you for no reason at all? What makes you think that the bad guys will play by the same rules? Remember Cary Staynor? Wherever there are a lot of people(Yosemite for instance) there is always the possibility that some wack job will decide to go 10-8 and then you WILL need a SWAT team. Why wait for it to happen and then prepare for it? Why not prepare for the worst, and hope the worst doesn't happen?
Dave, this world is a bad place and there are bad people in it. You need to wake up and realize that, instead of being in denial about the possibility. I carry a weapon everywhere, I truly hope I never need it. However, all it takes is one incident and I'll be glad I have it. It doesn't mean I am paranoid...it means I am using my freakin' melon and preparing for all possibilities instead of just sticking my head in the clouds and hoping nothing bad ever happens.
"Less than lethal, why would rangers need that?"
LOL! First people are complaining about the rangers having too much firepower and now they are complaining about non-lethal?
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tyrone
Trad climber
california
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LOL! i too believe that a fair amount of people that go into law enforcement are cowards on a power trip. not all of them though, and the bottom line is that its a necessary evil that we have to endure. nobody likes getting traffic tickets and all that, but if we didn't draw the line somewhere and make a stand, then we'd have as#@&%es causing all kinds of wrecks. it works the same with everything else. the fact that those rangers have firepower and are willing to use it prevents crime and possibly terrorist action. its not like they're parking tanks in el cap meadow. they just have rifles in the squad cars in case a situation arises.
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WBraun
climber
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Obviously some of you are real dumb f**ks and! I give you just one example; there was a guy in the boulders at Arch rock with a high powered rifle ready to take out anybody. There was a standoff, no shots were fired they were able to have this guy surrender. He had a sh#t load of rounds. Stuff you guys no nothing about. There are more; one where they shot down a CHP chopper in Death Valley. I'm not going to go into details. It's a waste of time for me anyways...since some of you obviously know so much about everything.
Werner
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Jody
Mountain climber
CA
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beers...Staynor is the worst thing so far, not the "worst case scenario".
"real cops in cities where murders occur EVERY DAY don't carry those weapons."
Shows how little you know...many LE agencies carry them every day in their cars...mine does.
"so why do the rangers need 'em? because they are coward pussies on a power/ego trip."
Stupid, uneducated, childish remark...enough said.
I have a question, why would a coward go into LE? "Power trip" maybe, in some cases. But coward? It takes a coward to walk up on a car in the middle of nowhere with no back-up around? It takes a coward to answer a domestic violence call where it is a fact that most cops get killed in these situations? It takes a coward to do all these things for miniscule pay? It takes a coward to go break up fights in an isolated campground somewhere? Come on people....
Tyrone and Werner, thank you for being voices of reason in this cloud of bullcrap.
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Nor Cal
Trad climber
San Mateo
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 3, 2004 - 11:51am PT
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Werner, thanks for the example. Its stories like that that we never hear about.
The worst story I've heard about in the Valley was about some kids who were going around with spray paint "taggin" trees and boulders.
I've never heard stories of sniper stand-offs. Perhaps these stories are kept quiet as to not detract from the park.
I think it is just fine for the rangers to have their rifles.
I usually pick up on things like the guns in the cab of the ranger vheicles, I had never before seen the M-16 in the Valley. Did I miss it in the past, perhaps, or did the previously carry them in the trunk, I dont know.
I saw a CHP on 101 in Palo Alto yesterday, I noticed the M-16 mounted in his car as he passed me.
As with any law enforcement I just hope that the professionals resort to thier weapons as a last resort, in every case.
I think that the quality of the cop is going down as small women and efeminate men are joining the force. They are more likely to resort to deadly force as they are incapable of taking down a large person any other way. Jody am I wrong with this?
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