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neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
May 17, 2019 - 12:41am PT
hey there say, ... leila beine ... just saw this...

i have shared your beautiful journey with so many, after you shared it here...

it has helped so many folks!

so much 'life to touch other lives' all here from the taco...
will be sad, yes, for it to 'stop flowing through the streams of supertopo'
:(


phylp's museum shares, too... i just read her note...

the appreciations, that johntp mentioned...
the simple little things:

like cats, dogs, flowers, clouds (of blitzo) and
so many things...

the list is just so long...




thank you ALL again, for just being here...
(these, along with the trips and history, are, 'living history' as well,
and make folks smile, after the work of the day, is done...
edit-- or, in the middle of a good, day... a place to stop by and
see how friends are doing--as to various topics, for each way of
life, within the climber-world) ...


Climbnrok

Trad climber
LA
May 17, 2019 - 01:50am PT
Iím still trying to figure out how a very low-profile site like this could end up in an existential legal proceeding. I mean, how many people post here or are registered? Itís nothing. Who would spend the money to sue a site which is made up of a bunch of rock climbers? It just doesnít add up.

http://www.supertopo.com/climbers-forum/1973161/Paul-Ryan-Fourteeners-Thread-Deleted-Why
Tarbuster

climber
right here, right now
May 17, 2019 - 06:35am PT
^^^
Yeah, this thread is a good example.

But it was almost completely just speculation/conjecture on the part of forum members.
CMAC never addressed any of it, except in private, and even that was cursory if not cryptic:

Rick A wrote in the linked thread:
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 21, 2012 - 09:31am PT

I took Wernerís advice and called Chris. We didnít speak directly, but exchanged voice mails. He said he did not know why the thread was deleted. Apparently he wasnít even aware of the issue!

So, apologies to Chris for saying that his silence indicated arrogance on his part. Apparently, he has better things to do (climbing?) than follow the discussions on his forum.

Still, there remains the mystery of who deleted the thread and why. I hope Chris can clarify how it came about.

 There was never any clarification, from what I can see. Duck, cover, avoid, ignore.
JLP

Social climber
The internet
May 17, 2019 - 06:53am PT
You haven't got idea one who mynameismud really is
No, I donít, but after a few decades in high tech I get a pretty good idea after the first sentence - just like most might recognize hyperbole in conversation.

However it was also kind of mean so I deleted it.
Mike.

climber
May 17, 2019 - 08:18am PT
Proud move, JLP.
Lynne Leichtfuss

Sport climber
moving thru
May 17, 2019 - 10:38am PT
I just created a closed SuperTopo Campfire on Facebook for the purpose of keeping connection going, not to replace SuperTopo. That's not possible. It's just to keep us connected and to post dates etc. for events.
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
May 17, 2019 - 08:37pm PT
Can't find it. Two people have started supertopo groups but I don't see yours.
Lynne Leichtfuss

Sport climber
moving thru
May 17, 2019 - 10:09pm PT
Ksolem, go to FB and in the upper left search field type in Super Topo Campfire. Ask to join and you will be a member. Cheers!
overwatch

climber
Arizona
May 19, 2019 - 07:06pm PT
For some reason they deleted my innocuous post earlier in the thread for what I can only assume was too extreme of an amount of sarcasm. It must have ruffled hangry's feathers.This place is definitely dead
Toerag

Trad climber
Guernsey, British Channel Islands
May 21, 2019 - 08:17am PT
As an occasional lurker and poster, it boils down to this - Chris has obviously become aware of his liabilities running the site and the potential for legal action and the ramifications of such action. I don't know the laws in the USA, but let's say that he could lose everything if legal action came about due to something on the site. He's decided he doesn't want to take that risk. Which is fair enough. So, what is the alternative?
1) 'hard' moderation with many mods to spread the load - all posts require mod approval before publication?
2) get rid of the site to someone that is willing to take the risk.
3) restrict postings to climbing topics?
3) Archive it, possibly with deletion of contentious posts?

The question is, what are the site owners libilities and what can be done to mitigate them? What do other sites & forums do? The beauty of ST (and UKC) is the power of the 'hive mind' - there must be people on here who know the answers to the questions! I think Chris needs to reach out to the community so we can help find a way forward and retain the hugely useful and entertaining history of this place!
Roadie

Trad climber
moab UT
May 21, 2019 - 08:37am PT
Thanks Chris,
Its been a lot of fun and brought me back in contact with some long lost friends and connected me with some new ones as well.
Good luck, Steve
kunlun_shan

Mountain climber
SF, CA
May 21, 2019 - 07:20pm PT
HUGE bummer that the Wayback Machine no longer displays archived ST pages :-(

http://www.supertopo.com/robots.txt now has:

Disallow: /
User-agent: archive.org_bot
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
May 21, 2019 - 07:32pm PT
Are you saying none of this will be accessible?
kunlun_shan

Mountain climber
SF, CA
May 21, 2019 - 07:36pm PT
Yes, wilbeer. Unfortunately, NOTHING from supertopo.com shows up on the Wayback Machine anymore.

And the Wayback will NO LONGER accept URLs from the Taco for archiving.

It's because of changes to the robots.txt file on the ST server. The file used to read:

User-agent: *
Disallow: /

but now it blocks a wide variety of agents. :-(
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
May 21, 2019 - 07:37pm PT
The question is, what are the site owners libilities and what can be done to mitigate them? What do other sites & forums do? The beauty of ST (and UKC) is the power of the 'hive mind' - there must be people on here who know the answers to the questions! I think Chris needs to reach out to the community so we can help find a way forward and retain the hugely useful and entertaining history of this place!

This is pretty easy. Spin the forum off as a non-profit corporation, which has many legal protections. However, this presupposes that Chris WANTS to do this, which it seems pretty clear, that he does not, even if the ship is turned over to a different captain. Having moderated some discussion boards in the past, I can see how it would lead to serious burn-out.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
May 21, 2019 - 07:41pm PT
Man.....kunlan, I tried it you are right. Do you think Chris is going to save it in a new domain?
monolith

climber
state of being
May 21, 2019 - 07:52pm PT
I was under the impression the forum will still be here and searchable. You just won't be able to make new posts.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
May 21, 2019 - 07:55pm PT
Likewise mono. May have been duped,every action on the net costs.
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