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two-shoes

Trad climber
Auberry, CA
Apr 14, 2019 - 08:28pm PT
Hi Steve,

I ran into you more than once. Once at the Tollhouse Faceoff in about 1990. I remember you stopping by my shop a couple times so that I could smell your Hanwags. Those shoes had to have been the best made klettershues ever made, huh? They just kept on keepin' on!

I remember you as a very personable fella and I don't think you're as F'ed up as you might think
people feel about you. You seemed like someone that one could put faith into. Like someone you might have know for a while, that sort of think.

You shouldn't think of yourself as "homeless", only houseless! The whole world is your home for christ sake. Hang in there buddy!

Barry Chambers
Mike.

climber
Apr 14, 2019 - 08:30pm PT
Thanks for your insights, Steve.


Ghost

climber
A long way from where I started
Apr 14, 2019 - 08:38pm PT
"Cut your hair or move out!"

Being kicked out, as you effectively were, isn't the only way to realize that your family is no longer your family. Many have come to that realization for a variety of reasons, but the lucky among us also came to the realization that while we might not have a place in the family or the community of our birth, we did have a place in the extended family of climbing.

Keep on trucking.
Kalimon

Social climber
Ridgway, CO
Apr 14, 2019 - 09:10pm PT
Heavy duty . . . thank you for the reality check. So many marginalized people that were all someone's baby once. This life can be so cruel.
NutAgain!

Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
Apr 14, 2019 - 09:18pm PT
Well Steve, sounds like you have gotten your money’s worth so far on this trip through the material world. Keep on keepin’ on, and thanks for the light you’ve shined here with your tales.
Flip Flop

climber
Earth Planet, Universe
Apr 15, 2019 - 06:43am PT
TFPU

When someone is voluntarily living a lifestyle it's one thing.
The tragedy is when we have working, qualified, contributing members of society, unable to have dignified housing. Children and the infirm homeless. This is to our collective shame.
Heisenberg

Trad climber
RV, middle of Nowehere
Apr 15, 2019 - 08:53am PT
Thanks Steve.

When I first started living out of my van we spent a spring or 2 living on the slickrock in Indian Creek. We played chess games at night in your van when the weather was crap, and would wake up and you'd provide an education in the finer points of crack climbing and "harden up". Still to this day the one climb I want to do is "Cats Paw" at the cat wall. Every time I walk up to the base and look at it I think of you climbing that thing.

Over the years we'd keep running into each other at various climbing spots. Still to this day I hope to run into you again at IC, but as we both know it's a goddam zoo down there and you would probably be at some obscure area which no one knows about, or be down in some slot canyon.

You're a good man Steve.

p.s. I'll never forget when Jerry Garcia died. During an interview he said he just loved playing music. It was great he god paid for it, but even if he didn't he's still just play music. You are happier not buying into the society bs that most of us here do. I bought into it, not saying the grass is greener on either side, what I am saying like Jerry is being able to do what you love in life is what matters. Not what box society says is the happy box.

Keep writing, climbing and having an adventure. You're one of the few and lucky that has made a living out of it.
formerclimber

Boulder climber
CA
Apr 15, 2019 - 04:09pm PT
Last year "Leave no trace" movie came out...about father and daughter living in the woods on public land in Oregon (based on real story) - very good one.
It also shows very well why/how it's impossible to live in or adapt to this modern society.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_07ktacEGo8
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Apr 15, 2019 - 05:23pm PT
What Flip has said,for sure.
formerclimber

Boulder climber
CA
Apr 15, 2019 - 07:12pm PT
The tragedy is when we have working, qualified, contributing members of society, unable to have dignified housing

So, what's a point in "qualifying" or "contributing" to such "society"? None. Society that makes one "qualify" for the right to have a roof over your head by living in slavery, whle you could get by with just a tent or old trailer on your own land - but no you can't live the way you want on own land. Society which is making you slave towards forced, unnecessary standards of living by complying with some insane totalitarian rules/demands (otherwise you're not human enough to even have something between you and the rain). "Contribute" to someone else's pockets...that's all that is there. Anyone can put up a shack and an outhouse, but none of this is legal anywhere (but Alaska) anymore. Zero point in cooperating, contributing, or qualifying for some insane overblown standards created by others.

Colorado formerly homeless man inherits money, buys property... next he's being evicted from it (for placing a shipping container and RV), likely to become homeless again and lose the investment:
https://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/local-news/homeless-man-being-booted-off-his-own-newly-purchased-mountain-property
WBraun

climber
Apr 15, 2019 - 07:18pm PT
Thank god for people like Roadie to show us diversity of life .....
Roadie

Trad climber
moab UT
Apr 16, 2019 - 06:07pm PT
Thanks for your thoughts every one. I posted this as a kind of trial balloon for a longer piece I am working on for the paper. I am, obviously, too close to the center of it to pretend to have any objectivity. Writing it was kinda like pulling teeth, only in my soul. In short, I can't decide it is evocative and compelling or self-indulgent drivel. Thoughts? Be brutally honest. Thanks, S

PS, I am and continue to be mostly content with the path I've stumbled onto as well as reasonably happy. Cheers.
7SacredPools

Trad climber
Ontario, Canada
Apr 16, 2019 - 06:29pm PT
That was a brilliant read Mr. Seats. Single handed, you've saved ST.
dgbryan

Mountain climber
Hong Kong
Apr 16, 2019 - 08:44pm PT
It was a good read. WBraun summarizes my view of it nicely.
formerclimber

Boulder climber
CA
Apr 16, 2019 - 08:58pm PT
Very well written...the only thing it seems like you sound kind of apologetic in multiple places, for example where you refer to "redemptive qualities" or it being "in the margins" or bring up your volunteering or businesses as a "flip" side (and not clear if it's about homelessness or something else, like hard drugs), but there's no reason to be apologetic.

The not being able to live in your own RV on land you own is complete horse sh#t. It's rich people imposing on poors for making their wilderness experience less upscale. I have a friend that lives in an RV and a renovated school bus, but fortunately her country grandfathered her setup in.
Got to admire "North Pond Hermit" who camped for 27 years on private land right under everyone's noses :) since simple living on own land was made illegal by a bunch of bureaucrats...he got to make do I guess.
E

Ice climber
mogollon rim
Apr 17, 2019 - 03:24am PT
Wanna get outta the bullsh#t?
Move to Washington...i do believe you can have a container and and rv
On a $16000 lot
Lots of climbing and mountaineering all around
Where I'm living there's like 6 school buses on property as well
Its like calif was when I was growing up
formerclimber

Boulder climber
CA
Apr 17, 2019 - 07:34am PT
Wanna get outta the bullsh#t?
Move to Washington...i do believe you can have a container and and rv
On a $16000 lot
Lots of climbing and mountaineering all around
Where I'm living there's like 6 school buses on property as well
Its like calif was when I was growing up

WA has very different rules in different counties, in Western WA it's mostly even worse/stricter than in CA even (I had a home in WA before/researched a few locations there). So, it's on county-by-county basis...more freedom-friendly counties being in parts like North-Eastern WA. Where is your county? But WA is for "wealthy" people now anyway, with high cost of real estate... you can't get a good-sized 16K lot now, at least not in the wooded parts of the state, accessible year-round and where there's a good chance to hit water when drilling.
E

Ice climber
mogollon rim
Apr 17, 2019 - 09:19am PT
I live in Colville
50 miles from British Columbia
Stevens county and on the rez.
No extra rules here
formerclimber

Boulder climber
CA
Apr 17, 2019 - 10:13am PT
I see, this is one of the nicest counties in WA....and in NE WA. One of my favorite places.
I took a quick look through their ordinances (WA also has statewide code)
I don't see any prohibition against RVs except:
"Recreational vehicles shall not be used as accessory dwelling units;"
.... but for residence use - found nothing, they might be in the grey area not covered by the code?
For construction it seems like there's no minimum square footage and owner-builder exception with no inspection or permit: "A building permit, inspection fee, and inspections shall not be required for an owner/builder residence"

Pend'O'Reille is a neighboring county which also has lax building code (though they required 400 sq feet minimum for a cabin). Land prices are high now, though (and water is deep I believe). For them, I only found RV placement restrictions for flood-prone areas. Don't see anything prohibiting dwelling in general.
E

Ice climber
mogollon rim
Apr 17, 2019 - 10:13am PT
Lots of water and trees here chances you'll hit water pretty fast as we're right by the Columbia River
But the property is going fast and a lot of people are coming to Spokane and Stevens county
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