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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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However, you characterized it initially as a “professional opinion”. That usually suggests some higher level of credibility and insight. Now it’s just garden variety “opinion”?
Susan, I think that you're conflating "professional opinion" with "diagnosis of Brandon." The "professional opinion" concerns the "helpfulness" of this thread. Oh, and Brandon's obvious narcissism that people have all (sadly, myself included) contributed to by carrying on this long. Nobody is "diagnosing Brandon's" total condition via a thread! But it's pretty easy to "diagnose this thread" itself and have a credible professional opinion about the helpfulness or lack thereof of this thread.
And the only "about me" here is that I have an opinion that is quite obviously not shared by the majority (not new), so I have to argue harder for it, since I'm arguing opposed to many more people. Oh, and a standard gotcha is to just say: "You make it all about you." There, that accusation, I guess, makes it so. Pretty lame diversionary tactic.
In the end, this thread is by Brandon and (by his own desire) about Brandon. I've been concerned that this thread is not helpful and may even be harmful. One professional is also thusly concerned, for whatever that's worth... apparently not much to the majority here that are so confident that they know how best to deal with Brandon. Apparently every opinion is as good as a "professional one" when it comes to the "treatment" of Brandon.
Interestingly, the most recent posts all attack the mental health profession in general (I generally share that skepticism, btw). So it does beg the question: Exactly what "treatment" with/by "professionals" DO you all espouse?
The professional to whom I refer treats people on the basis of court-orders, so he is obviously considered credible by State-level courts. Apparently that's not credible enough for you, and you don't think that "professional" are in-general credible.
If that's the case, what do you propose in the way of "professional" treatment?
And if that's not the case, then why is that the professional to which I refer apparently is just not credible to you, when the COURTS think he's credible?
Anyway, I guess, carry on. As I said, Brandon has managed to get a pile of people jaw-jacking all about him for hundreds of posts. I won't contribute further to that train-wreck.
I only jumped back in here just now to respond to you, Susan, because I do highly value you, and I'm sorry when we disagree. In this case, however, I think that we're disagreeing about semantics, so I wanted to try to clear that up.
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 7, 2019 - 09:55pm PT
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Oh, and Brandon's obvious narcissism that people have all (sadly, myself included) contributed to by carrying on this long.
So, stop posting. Everyone. Let this one die.
I’d nuke it but a lot of people put time into writing.
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Happiegrrrl2
Trad climber
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I have a friend who dated a therapist who solely worked with DWI people required to take her guidance. She joked that it was the easiest money out there because the people rarely wanted to deal with the reason they were there, and they'd end up just talking about light topics for the sessions. She also partied like a maniac. She also limited her practice to cash payments only. No insurance.
I don't have to show this thread to my sister, who just got her masters last year from Marquette U in Wisconsin, and works with emotionally disadvantaged people to carve a life forward, or her husband who is a supervisor for children's services, also with the educational credentials and 30 years in the field, to know they would NEVER declare this thread in a negative capacity, much less refer to it as a train wreck or put a label on an individual.
Getting sober us fighting for one's life. Some, like me, get off relatively easily, when it comes to taking a drink. Others fight tooth and nail. To have even one drink, for a person on a path to recovery, is a win for the monster that is addiction, and that requires human sacrifice to survive.
Nobody who wants to post on this thread is going to stop, Bolted, because of your callous opinions. If I'm imagining the disease as an entity, you're standing in the darkness of its shadow and egging it on with some of your comments.
There IS a way to offer hard insight without brutalizing a person.
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Yury
Mountain climber
T.O.
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Brandon-:
Oh, and Brandon's obvious narcissism that people have all (sadly, myself included) contributed to by carrying on this long.
So, stop posting. Everyone. Let this one die.
I’d nuke it but a lot of people put time into writing. Brandon-, you are as much narcissist as madbolter1 and other 95% of Supertopo members.
This thread has a lot of useful information for addicts and people with other psychological issue.
Please do not nuke it.
1. Just ignore what people without "A" issues (like me, madbolter1 etc.) posted.
2. Pay attention only to posts of people with similar experience.
Just figure out what 80% of their advice should be ignored.
Anyway, according to my experience 80% of all "professionals" would not provide any real help to you.
I wish you a good luck with both 80/20 challenges!
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Brandon I'll stop posting if that's what *you* truly want. I appreciate that you didn't nuke it and let these words and thoughts stand in case they provide value to others.
Claims of narcissism or trying to take advantage of people are utter B.S. In your 2nd post to this thread (3rd overall) you rescind the request of money and you state you were being selfish and need to be humble. A narcissist would not say things like that. When people put themselves out there and then other people use this to put them down is low, and one of my pet peeves. Your posting history doesn't show you to be self obsessed, your are more inquisitive and humble than many posters here. *My* take on this thread is it quickly evolved from a monetary request to a show of support (with unfortunately some piling on of negativity, and perhaps some legitimate concerns of enabling). I think it's a great thing to ask for and accept support. It's hard for men to do this, and it takes some strength to overcome your ego. It is not a sign of narcissism, it's a sign of being engaged with your fellow man and being humble.
What some people fail to understand is there is more than one thing at play, or way to look at things, or way to deal with things (like most things in life). I would surmise that yes most people struggle with addictions as the result of poor choices they made earlier, and ultimately it is their responsibility to change their thinking and behavior to deal with it, however long term substance abuse changes the chemistry of the body and how you think and people with empathy can see that and understand that it can be harder for some people to control than others (not to mention people are just born with different levels of addictive personalities).
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capseeboy
Social climber
portland, oregon
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Hey Brandon, disregard peeps saying it is only about you---it is about all of us trying to figure this shite out, this shite called life.
Macho, mental health, and alcohol/drugs have entangled strings for many a climber of all stripes. Shammers are just one.
To get to the Summit, Cory Richards had to loose it all.
https://www.outsideonline.com/2234616/life-after-near-death-cory-richards
“The central message of PTSD research is that memories are not created equal, unlike men,” Morris wrote in an e-mail.
Good Luck Brother.
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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hey there say, brandon_ and all... do your best-- keep up the good work...
it is never, 'for nothing' ...
say,
how very odd, or, interesting, how things work, in and on, our life trails...
due to the share on the THREAD: turkish bath/berryessa gloryhole, spillway, and a share about the
'devils' throat iguszu waterfall, well:
i happened to come across this:
[Click to View YouTube Video]
if you go and see the clip, of the movie (which i have not seen, but, just might find it and, get it) well:
the person that shared there, (that put the clip up??) had a
very interesting part of their life, that they shared:
it was about how their '20's was very bad...
however, later on, in the years that came-- they could
see the change...
things changed for good-- that person GREW and learned and saw more than they could see, during the the 'troubles years'
THERE is a quote, (I THINK it came from the movie)
“If I disappeared from the world..
the dreams and wishes I couldn’t think about, things that I couldn’t do when I was alive, and things I want to redo.. there must be many regrets left behind.
But the world where I existed and the world where I vanished.. I want to believe they are different.
It may be an insignificant change, but it’s proof that I was alive. Struggling and worrying, these are proof that we’re alive.”
now, THIS was quote, at the end of the movie:
The world where I existed and the world where I vanished. I want to believe they are different.
and you know-- IT CAN be different-- we do not have to think of
having to see the 'two worlds' (one that vanish from, or, one that we never existed in)...
it does not have to be, as if we were never here...
that is why we share 'remembrances threads, etc, here' ... so we can remember those that went before us, and have helped us, or made us smile...
we ARE all here, to do the best we can, and the world,
as we pass-on-into-eternity, WILL be better for us having been here:
we may not still have a marriage... or, the job that we may have lost...
or, a promotion, etc, but:
IF--we care to do our best, now...
AND, if we 'catch the vision' that we are here for interacting
with others, for good human growth and support, and friendships...
well-- our seeds will live on..
and grow good things for others...
*the young man's character, in that movie, was diagnosed with a brain tumor, and...
was thus, wondering if anyone would even know he had been in the
world, after he was gone... or, he would just 'vanish' ...
we all can help each other out, somehow and we all do, just by
'being us' ...
thus-- don't give up, Brandon_ you still have 'trails to forge' ...
you CAN do your best...
it just takes time...
(like the example of the gal? that shared her story, just
under that movie clip) ...
hard years, can change to good-- sadly, we only hear the bad stories, in the news... the good stories are there, but 'pushed out of the lime light' ....
edited... i think the first quote, too, from from the movie...
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D Murph
climber
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Brandon, how're you making out man?
Hope it's going well. Wish I could say the same for my brother. If you slip though no biggie, just keep trying!
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Q- Ball
Mountain climber
but to scared to climb them anymore
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Brandon,
Was just thinking about you coming to play in the Honduran jungle. I just returned and if I recall correctly you about came down a few years ago for one of my crazy walkabouts. Take care, even though I've never met you I wish you the best. Let's go to a blank spot on the map!
Hugh
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 4, 2019 - 04:18pm PT
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Wish I could say that it’s going well these days, but I can’t. I have a policy of not lying or bullshitting.
Life f*#king sucks sometimes, but I’ll land on my feet. I always have at least.
Hope you all are thriving!
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kunlun_shan
Mountain climber
SF, CA
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May 29, 2019 - 08:15pm PT
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Brandon, I hope things are going better for you. What's going on with you lately?
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