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Hangerlessbolt
Trad climber
Portland, OR
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"We are not a news organization ourselves and like everyone else can only base our information on what has been reported so far. What we are attempting to provide is a credible compilation of civilian deaths that have been reported by recognized sources. Our maximum therefore refers to reported deaths - which can only be a sample of true deaths unless one assumes that every civilian death has been reported. It is likely that many if not most civilian casualties will go unreported by the media. That is the sad nature of war."
This is the number of reported/confirmed kills listed on their website...as stated, far from comprehensive.
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Chaz
Trad climber
So. Cal.
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HangerlessBolt writes:
"I'll research your question and post the information and resources here."
That's my point.
All you have to do to keep up on the number of Americans killed in Iraq is drive down the street and you're bound to pass a "scoreboard" gleefully tallying up the number for you. No "research" required. But these same folks choose to ignore the number of Americans killed in Afghanistan.
To the Left, a dead American Soldier or Marine is only worth keeping track of if they can use the death to advance their political agenda. Hence the conspicuous abscence of any public memorial for those Americans who sacrificed their lives in Afghanistan.
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Chaz
Trad climber
So. Cal.
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Prove me wrong, Mr Crowley.
Post up one picture of a public memorial dedicated to Americans who died fighting in Afghanistan.
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JuanDeFuca
Big Wall climber
Stoney Point
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When they start shooting up our shopping malls and blowing up
Starbucks than AC will finally get it. Bush took the war to the enemy, I have to give him credit for that. God Bless him.
JDF
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Hangerlessbolt
Trad climber
Portland, OR
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I mistook this for a moderately serious conversation based on the topic (having served USMC '91-'95). I see this is still a game to some folks...something to entertain themselves with.
Very well. As you were.
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426
Sport climber
Buzzard Point, TN
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chaz, interesting that you'd try to cherry pick the "original" secular progressive--PF-these are more apropos...
"To establish any mode to abolish war, however advantageous it might be to Nations, would be to take from such Government the most lucrative of its branches."
"“He who is the author of a war lets loose the whole contagion of hell and opens a vein that bleeds a nation to death”
I just don't get the feelin yer "world view" is anywhere near Tommy's...
The World is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.
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Jaybro
Social climber
The West
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As long as we're keeping score by body count, how many Al queda have been killed? any? must be some. Weren't they, ostensibly, the enemy?
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andanother
climber
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Chaz and Woodie,
You guys are seriously f*#ked up in the head. To suggest that people are only protesting to further a political agenda is disgusting.
Humans are, by nature, compassionate towards one another. While it might not seem like it at times, this really is human nature. This is essential to any society. Without this characteristic, there would be no societies, countries, or even families.
This behavior is essential for survival of any species. It’s instinct. We protect and stand up for ourselves, our friends, our families, and the citizens of our country. If our comrades are being slaughtered unnecessarily, then it is human nature to try to stop this.
People are protesting the war because they think it is wrong. Plain and simple.
Your remarks give a glimpse into your twisted minds, and it ain't pretty. Political differences aside, you guys are horrible human beings.
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WoodySt
Trad climber
Riverside
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The left loves casualties. The more dead and maimed GIs, the more little, white crosses and the more crocodile tears. The greatest fear the left has is a serious fall in American deaths. The left always overplays their hand in their cynical and repulsive game. They're the vampires of the age trying to suck up as much false sentiment as they can to push their agenda.
I'm digusted by the way Bush has screwed up and failed pretty much across the board, and I doubt we will succeed in Iraq; but I refuse to ally myself with the same scum that denigrated our military in Vietnam. They've changed tactics, but they're the same two-faced hypocrits they were then.
You hate Bush, hate Bush; he's fair game. But don't use the dead in you feud. These people should all jump into the same petri dish with Jane. That's where they belong since they all share the same DNA.
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noshoesnoshirt
climber
hither and yon
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Wow. I'm sensing a little hostility in this thread.
Can't we all just get along?
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KyleO
Ice climber
Calgary, AB
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Woody,
You make me sick. Saying that a group of people love to see humanity die so that we can feel better about how the war is going.
This only shows your narrow-minded, ignorance of the world and the way it is being run.
I pity you. Open your eyes.
Kyle Oak
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Gilwad
climber
Frozen In Somewhere
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It's not a clash of civilizations, it's a clash of ideological idiots who want a clash of civilizations. I hope civilization eventually prevails over idiocy, but as long as there are people who support the terrorists on both sides we'll have this tragedy. Every value worth standing up for in the US has been trampled by Bush and his team of crazies, and every value worth standing up for in Islam has been trashed by their extremists. Both are defiling the values they supposedly stand for.
And don't post pictures of 911 as justifaction for more idiocy, that's like posting pictures of burn victims as an argument for arson. One of my good high-school friends might be in one of those pictures, don't try and play my friend's death as a card in this unbelievably sad and idiotic chapter of US/World history.
Go hippies, down with the crazies.
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WoodySt
Trad climber
Riverside
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Gilwad,
Oh, don't play your friend's death as a card. I see the old double standard here. Not your friend but go hippies and their use of dead GIs. Like I said, hypocrits beyond belief. None of the dead should be used as propaganda, a simple concept.
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andanother
climber
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"None of the dead should be used as propaganda"
hypocrits beyond belief
Uh, Woody....
Oh. Nevermind. You wouldn't understand it anyway.
Thanks for the laugh, though.
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