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Contractor
Boulder climber
CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 18, 2018 - 04:08pm PT
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This is a test of the soul really. Are you going to give in to the fear that someone is getting something for free on your dime or are you going to focus on the power of a community and get involved (at the ballot box at a minimum)?
So before you declare that the Government is the worst vehicle for a safety net please consider our Federal first responders and portions of our military, including medical untits and the duty they have provided to us all while under government management and civilian oversight. Try to imagine the corrupt, pork-boondoggle if a Halliburton was providing those services.
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
moving thru
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Oct 18, 2018 - 05:19pm PT
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EdwardT and Tenb4me, this is a good example of the point I have been trying to make for years.
Some say that President Obama was shut down by the Republicans, others that President Obama shut down the Republicans. So here we have the crux on both sides....us against them.
This country must find middle ground or we may be doomed. What the heck is so hard about compromise?
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Oct 18, 2018 - 05:37pm PT
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What does this mean? Individuals are better than groups? People with no authority and responsibility are better than those who have authority and responsibility? Huh?
What it means is plainly obvious, but if you want to play "I'm cleverer than you are", feel free.
You don’t know either of these.
Yes, he does. As does anyone rooted in reality.
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dirtbag
climber
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Oct 18, 2018 - 05:56pm PT
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Sorry, but one side is to blame far more than the other.
There is no bothsidism here.
The republicans have been waging a war on the legitimacy of the Democratic Party for years, becoming full scale since at least Newt Gingrich. They are a minority of the electorate that through sheer ruthlessness controls all three branches of government and have shown no interest in bipartisanship. They have gerrymanderered, blocked people from voting, betrayed norm after norm, encouraged cooperation with Russians, embraced white nationalism, and would be perfectly happy running an autocratic state. That party needs to be destroyed.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Oct 18, 2018 - 06:12pm PT
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Contractor,it has been their plan all along ,break the government,end entitlements.
Corpocacy.
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WBraun
climber
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Oct 18, 2018 - 06:14pm PT
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Both Parties are not REMOTELY the same.
Yeah they are!!!!
They are both st00pid corrupt criminals and you st00pid Americans keep supporting them.
St00pid st00pid brainwashed people you are .....
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
moving thru
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Oct 18, 2018 - 06:18pm PT
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dirtbag, "that party needs to be destroyed."
Really.....pretty serious statement.
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dirtbag
climber
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Oct 18, 2018 - 06:35pm PT
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It needs to be destroyed. Absolutely. It is a threat to democracy.
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Oct 18, 2018 - 06:40pm PT
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EdwardT and Tenb4me, this is a good example of the point I have been trying to make for years.
Some say that President Obama was shut down by the Republicans, others that President Obama shut down the Republicans. So here we have the crux on both sides....us against them.
This country must find middle ground or we may be doomed. What the heck is so hard about compromise?
My point was to simply refute Jim's claim that Obama was all about bipartisan support, when he told the GOP to piss off on day three of his presidency. The Republicans are definitely less cooperative than the Dems. But let's quit portraying the Dems as a bunch of saints.
I agree with you that we need more cooperation and less adversity. If this forum is any indication of the left's mindset, then nothing will happen. Numerous posters here seem to think bridging the divide is a non-starter because they have nothing in common with those stupid, deplorable, racist, scumbag right-wingers... "that party needs to be destroyed".
IOW their own myopic bigotry prevents progress.
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Aeriq
Social climber
Location: It's a MisterE
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Oct 18, 2018 - 06:41pm PT
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I see very little Mercy and a lot of Forbearance in the future of this thread, given the reactive -vs- active state of being of the majority here.
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AP
Trad climber
Calgary
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Oct 18, 2018 - 07:02pm PT
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A lot of the right vs left thing is just a smokescreen to divert people from the fact that large corporations are picking their pockets and the rich are not paying their fair share of the govt expenditures.
The Republicans are worse but that does not make the Democrats good.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Oct 18, 2018 - 07:49pm PT
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10-4
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Oct 18, 2018 - 08:32pm PT
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Mercy me, isn’t it a shame that forebearance is no longer a quality held by many.
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clinker
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
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Oct 18, 2018 - 08:41pm PT
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Crime and Punishment
War and Peace
Pride and Prejudice
Cheech and Chong
Shake and Bake
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Oct 18, 2018 - 08:46pm PT
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Dead and gone
Oops
Wishin' and hopin'
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skywalker1
Trad climber
co
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Oct 18, 2018 - 08:57pm PT
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These tax cuts are great (I don't see them), its this social security entitlement that is bringing the country down. You mean the one I've paid into since age 12? Give me a f#ckin break.
S....
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10b4me
Social climber
Lida Junction
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Oct 18, 2018 - 09:16pm PT
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What the heck is so hard about compromise?
Once again, Lynne, this is a question for the republicans
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Lituya
Mountain climber
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Oct 18, 2018 - 09:24pm PT
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Lynne, you may recall that when Obama came to office he tried to reach out to the other side. He spoke loftily about the good of the nation and working together, through compromise, for the betterment of all.
The republicans in congress shut him down completely...
History fail? Democrats had complete control of Congress during Obama's first two years. So much more than ObamaCare he could have accomplished--but didn't.
My cynicism doesn’t extend to the point where I think that it doesn’t matter who is in power. The abysmal performance (in so many ways) of the Republican Party has made it an easy choice for me.
You tied in with McNamara and LBJ once, right?
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Oct 18, 2018 - 09:25pm PT
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Ain't Social Security my friends it's the war machine
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