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John M

climber
Aug 3, 2018 - 10:53am PT
yep.. I miss the conifers. But the desert has its beauty too. Seems like you have looked at Canada already. Out of curiosity, what about Belarus? what are its pluses and minuses? Or have you already ruled out third options? If so.. I would go back to Russia for a visit/stay in a rural town. When is the last time that you were back?

Edit: yes.. accupuntucre can trigger heavy releases which can cause problems, but these are generally short term. You should have talked to your acupuncturist. NAET is a treatment form that uses acupressure. It helped me a lot with sensitivities. There are plenty of health care options that cause short term pain for long term gain. Surgery can hurt like hell, is one example.
formerclimber

Boulder climber
CA
Aug 3, 2018 - 10:56am PT
Mungeclimber

Ok, I'm out of this thread. You've decided already, you just lack the commitment. Otherwise, you would have already put money down on property in Russia. I predict you'll use the cover of your rejection of corporate culture to override the practicalities of moving elsewhere, since you seem focused on that, and that will get you the commitment you need.

Best of luck,
M

I'm not sure I exactly understood what you were trying to say...
To explain: one does not put money down on property in Russia, without being there physically and permanently!
Russian real estate tansactions are dangerous things and pepole get killed over "them", money get stolen (CASH is involved), plus a lot of crooks and deception, and improper or disputed ownership issues. No "home inspectors" available! No "title companies"! No "escrow companies" ! No one can be trusted. There're "black notaries", "black realtors" who work with mafia that kills home sellers or buyers getting cash or home ownership transfer in their name with forget signature of dead person!
One has to live in the region for a while, scanning and researching properties and documentation that accompanies them, to get proper transaction, while finding the right lawer and bank who will store CASH for duration of property registration process with the government, so that cash is no stolen by bank employees or buyer (these happen!), and having nothing bad happen to you in the meainwhile.
John M

climber
Aug 3, 2018 - 10:59am PT
He is saying that it sounds like you have already made up your mind and just want people to push you in the direction of going to Russia.

Edit: that is if there is no place that you can comfortably live in the US.
Mungeclimber

Trad climber
Nothing creative to say
Aug 3, 2018 - 11:00am PT
Sure seems like corruption in the real estate market. The relatively well ordered real estate market in the US might be safer.
Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Aug 3, 2018 - 11:03am PT
My problems with the US:
the country appears to be a forced labor camp run by the rich and heading into some mad direction of world aggression, destruction of own land, spiraling state debt and division between rich and poor, at this point.
I say "forced labor camp", because healthcare issue is the hook used to install the forced element here (below). I absolutely don't enjoy corporate rat race, which already made me physically ill, from stress and dissatisfaction from meaningless work (software engineer), and unable to work, basically, driven to a total breakdown and diagnosis of biploar disorder, along with some other issues resulting from prior accident.

Your long term socialist slave training coupled with an uncritical acceptance of the western Left's propaganda and deranged value system is coming home to roost in your overwrought psyche.

The psychological problems you have wrongly attributed in some way to the U.S. would occur anywhere -- given most of your lifestyle choices. They will not go away by moving to a high latitude authoritarian state where the average amount of dopamine provided by sun exposure would not keep a Pygmy shrew happy.

You perhaps need to move to a very sunny climate with low population, get outside a lot more, radically limit your screen time ( computers, TV, smartphones) and quit listening to fake news as#@&%es.
formerclimber

Boulder climber
CA
Aug 3, 2018 - 11:04am PT
Mungeclimber

"Sure seems like corruption in the real estate market. The relatively well ordered real estate market in the US might be safer."

Correct. In Russian real estate transaction, I have to first and foremost worry about my personal safety. Next I have to worry about my money (or my home if I'm a seller) not be stolen. Having a good protocol of steps allows to resolve these issues, I had a chance to watch how it's done safely in 2010 when I sold my flat there. (realtor was "trusted" through local friends, now I don't have this option going to another region. Realtor offered me armed guards for the duration of transaction, but I refused) A lawyer by your side allows to address issues of improperly documented or disputed ownership cases.
formerclimber

Boulder climber
CA
Aug 3, 2018 - 11:07am PT
John M

He is saying that it sounds like you have already made up your mind and just want people to push you in the direction of going to Russia.

Edit: that is if there is no place that you can comfortably live in the US.

May be it's true.... may be it's easier to see from the side. Last 4 months Ive spent going through tons of US information/data on all aspects of life and I couldn't really find a solution. The only possible solution was a northern state bordering Canada, but Lyme disease took a powerful hold there and expanding, armies of ticks, that's what locals told me....in some areas it's not "if" it's "when" you get Lyme if you go outdoors. Farming is a lot of outdoors, and I camp. I don't have insurance, got bad health already, don't want to deal with Lyme disaster as I love to be outdoors. I grew up in the Northern climate without ticks and few mosquito, never used repellents, can roll in the grass, never check for ticks....
formerclimber

Boulder climber
CA
Aug 3, 2018 - 11:11am PT
Ward Trotter
Your long term socialist slave training coupled with an uncritical acceptance of the western Left's propaganda and deranged value system is coming home to roost in your overwrought psyche.

The psychological problems you have wrongly attributed in some way to the U.S. would occur anywhere -- given most of your lifestyle choices. They will not go away by moving to a high latitude authoritarian state where the average amount of dopamine provided by sun exposure would not keep a Pygmy shrew happy.

You perhaps need to move to a very sunny climate with low population, get outside a lot more, radically limit your screen time ( computers, TV, smartphones) and quit listening to fake news as#@&%es.

You say I was under socialist slave training? Haha.
The only SLAVE LIFE AND TRAINING are in America!!! Since long time ago!
Life in America is corporpate slavery now, for most.
And even average russian village grandma is a lot more free, capable and independent, street-wise and quick-thinking and strong in dangerous life situations than average American forced to work for corporpations!

Not sure why you dive condescending advise about "sunny climate" and "tv" (I don't listen to one, sounds like you do), apply it to yourself, not applicable to me. And as to getting outside....I think I do it more than you, I actually had been living in a tent for extensive periods of time, as not easger to jump back into rat race system, neither pay $$$ for overpriced crapshacks in this market.

I did not attributed "psychological problems" to the US, where did you get it? Your really should stop putting words into mouths of others.
johntp

Trad climber
Little Rock and Loving It
Aug 3, 2018 - 11:15am PT
edit: gone back on this thread to delete my posts. clearly a waste of mt time.
formerclimber

Boulder climber
CA
Aug 3, 2018 - 11:22am PT
johntp

I wouldn't say America is beyond hope, but all the negatives you mention are real and unlikely to change for the better (my perspective).

You've done the research, or I'd suggest rural Maine, Vermont or such.

Did my research on the states like MT, ID and by and large they are still expensive, although some reasonable properties (by US standards) can be had.

As others have written, Canada? Don't know much about it other than BC.

Alaska? Easy to live off the grid there and most soil is fertile. Relatively a "live and let live" mentality from my understanding.

If you're American born here, it's different for you. And you may know more things, simply, by nature of living here since day 1. And it's VERY hard to leave home country: emotionally, mentally, it's really hard. Plus, if you don't have 2nd citizenship you might need to jump through tons of hoops to get it, to move away and become expat. Plus learning new language! So for born-American, becoming expat may make little sense. (efforts vs. benefits)

I'm hoping that situation with healthcare may start changing after the next election.

Maine, was on top of my list but there's aspect that makes it not acceptable.
Similar considerations for MT and ID, which also are the states that I generally like.
And, unlike Maine, they're expensive.

Alaska...is a good state....but homes, even bare land, are very expensive there now.

I responded above regarding Canada: Canada immigration system changed recently, and now near-impossible to immigrate at age over 45, need sponsoring employer first.

Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Aug 3, 2018 - 11:23am PT
Россиа лучще? Ты шутесь? Hahahaha!
formerclimber

Boulder climber
CA
Aug 3, 2018 - 11:26am PT
Reilly
"Россиа лучще? Ты шутесь? Hahahaha!"

Yes, just real my original post in this thread, it explains in detail in which ways it's better for me and why. Every situation has pros and cons, of different weights and impacts, depending on what kind of life a person wants to live.
formerclimber

Boulder climber
CA
Aug 3, 2018 - 11:32am PT
Considering various taxes, climate, vegetation, real estate prices, local laws, building regulations, presence of public lands nearby, local culture, I found Northern Minnesota is the state that could work. But the bummer is epidemic of ticks, Lyme on the rise, armies of ticks there now, everybody uses pesticide permerthrin (Maine is in the same situation). I just want to live without wondering if I'm going to get Lyme next month or next year, since I can't use permerthrin, only natural oils, but not sure if they do work for ticks. Some say not really. About MN, they say one camping in there will get Lyme (and bunch of other stuff that ticks infect you with), not if - but when.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Aug 3, 2018 - 11:34am PT
I hear you. I could live on Lk Baikal or Kamchatka. Going to sail from Sweden thru St Petersburg thru White Sea Canal around Kola to Norway in a year. Maybe we’ll go to Новая Земля тоже but I don’t want to glow in the dark.
formerclimber

Boulder climber
CA
Aug 3, 2018 - 11:35am PT
johntp
As others have written, this is starting to look like troll looking for validation to go to Russia as you reject all input.

From my standpoint you're a troll.
If you don't like my thread, don't post in it, don't look.
That's a definition of troll, a person who places insults into threads they have nothing to do with.

Don't make it personal insults.
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Aug 3, 2018 - 11:37am PT
...I want on MY OWN land....

I truly understand this desire but have learned there's no such thing anywhere on the planet. Lines have been drawn all across the globe and anywhere you are subordinate to someone with more rifles than you. If you have something of realized value, someone will try to take it.

Gov't is really just a larger well run criminal enterprise with better indoctrination for the youth. And as you've noted in areas without much reach or interest of the squid, lesser criminals with fewer rifles than you will still try to take stuff.

Living as a hermit far away in some frozen land perhaps might seem attractive. Perhaps what you seek in happiness might better be defined in your own head first before seeking an address? Family, friends, and lovers are far more important than what particular arbitrary lines on the globe you dwell within.
formerclimber

Boulder climber
CA
Aug 3, 2018 - 11:39am PT
Reilly

I hear you. I could live on Lk Baikal or Kamchatka. Going to sail from Sweden thru St Petersburg thru White Sea Canal around Kola to Norway in a year. Maybe we’ll go to Новая Земля тоже but I don’t want to glow in the dark.

Lake Baikal was on my list initially....
Not a good choice though, because of overall crime situation in bigger area. It'd OK for short term tourist visit, while avoiding staying in tents in random unsecured places close to any roads or settlements. In villages....very bad theft there, and worse, not a good area.

Kamchatka is beautiful....but very expensive life there and lack of amentities, and harsh climate.

I'd chose Mountain Altai, my dream location, but long-term living has own caveats there....so I picked safer European part of Russia close to EC border, in fact hope to visit Estonia weekly.
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Aug 3, 2018 - 11:47am PT
He was referring to Gunkies troll post I think.

Hey, even if he is a troll at least its not a politard post.
John M

climber
Aug 3, 2018 - 11:47am PT
Doesn't seem like a troll. Seems like someone who has looked hard at this, doesn't really want to move back to Russia, but is running out of options in America. Having health problems while living in America is very difficult, unless you have plenty of money. But long term chronic health problems that limit ones ability to either take a corporate job, or make loads of money, make it very very difficult here.

have you considered that there is lyme disease in Russia? Does Russia go after it aggressively like they do in America? Could that be why it seems more prevalent in America? Just thoughts.
formerclimber

Boulder climber
CA
Aug 3, 2018 - 11:49am PT
fear

...I want on MY OWN land....

I truly understand this desire but have learned there's no such thing anywhere on the planet. Lines have been drawn all across the globe and anywhere you are subordinate to someone with more rifles than you. If you have something of realized value, someone will try to take it.

Gov't is really just a larger well run criminal enterprise with better indoctrination for the youth. And as you've noted in areas without much reach or interest of the squid, lesser criminals with fewer rifles than you will still try to take stuff.

Living as a hermit far away in some frozen land perhaps might seem attractive. Perhaps what you seek in happiness might better be defined in your own head first before seeking an address? Family, friends, and lovers are far more important than what particular arbitrary lines on the globe you dwell within.

Oh yeah, I've spent years thinking about this subject....agree...to various degrees, no
land is truly owned by anyone, anywhere. The question is the degree of control and the risk. At this point in history degree of control over land in the US reached insane proportions. I owned 2 homes here, I never felt they were mine. If you don't mow the lawn, if you build they way you like it, if you put a fence, if you put a couple of goats in the back yard, if you fail to pay crazy %4 tax (these do exist), etc....you're fined, can be jailed, land can be sold off auction for the lien. I'm not even mentioning HOA and CC&R communities!! :)) Communists never established anything like these kinds of crazy controls over private lots (most poeple had private lots for summer homes and gardens in USSR)

Familly, lovers? I'm a complete loner, hermit!
Have you heard of Agafia? They have a couple of documentaries on her on youtube, Agafia of Siberia. My kind of life.
There're a lot of forest hermits like her in Russia...she's not alone.
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