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formerclimber

Boulder climber
CA
Aug 3, 2018 - 11:55am PT
John M

Doesn't seem like a troll. Seems like someone who has looked hard at this, doesn't really want to move back to Russia, but is running out of options in America. Having health problems while living in America is very difficult, unless you have plenty of money. But long term chronic health problems that limit ones ability to either take a corporate job, or make loads of money, make it very very difficult here.

have you considered that there is lyme disease in Russia? Does Russia go after it aggressively like they do in America? Could that be why it seems more prevalent in America? Just thoughts.

There're 2 major tick risks in Russia:
 tick borne encephalitis (which makes Lyme look like innocent flu) -- but there're working, safe vaccines against tick-encephalitis.

 Lyme is new and is on the rise. However regions that I'm considering: while they do report rare cases of Lyme, these small numbers are nothing like huge yearly numbers from Maine, VT and Minnesota. And there're fewer ticks there: people say they hardly ever saw may be a couple of ticks total, and that on a dog.

In Russia, it's much easier to test for Lyme than in the US, and yes they're taking this epidemiologic situation very seriously, do studies, issue warnings, spray parks and camps for ticks. If I get Lyme in Russia, which can mean several months in a hospital, at least I won't be bankrupted ! :)
formerclimber

Boulder climber
CA
Aug 3, 2018 - 12:00pm PT
I think what fear said is the right thing:
go to Russia and try, not having mindset that this is forever move (so I'd hold onto any home renovations/improvements)...1-2 years will allow to see if it's right, if I survive (lots of out-of-control drunks in rural places)...in the meanwhile may be situation with healthcare in the US improves (and Bernie wins election)
formerclimber

Boulder climber
CA
Aug 3, 2018 - 12:13pm PT
John M

yep.. I miss the conifers. But the desert has its beauty too. Seems like you have looked at Canada already. Out of curiosity, what about Belarus? what are its pluses and minuses? Or have you already ruled out third options? If so.. I would go back to Russia for a visit/stay in a rural town. When is the last time that you were back?

Belarus...It has much lower crime rate than Russia, for both property and violent crimes. Belarus, unlike Russia, has death penalty, and seems like this is what makes violent criminals think twice.
Belarus people are generally more polite and mild-mannered compared to Russians (my father is from Belarus), nicer culture in Belarus.
It's ruled by a dictator Lukashenko, but apparently dictatorship at least helped to establish law and order; laws do get observed in Belarus now, and gangs had been destroyed.
Belarus being closer to Europe has more European aspects in culture, especially in Western Belarus parts that borders with Lithuania and Poland.
Russian citizens can easily get permanent residency in Belarus, special agreement.
There a lot of inexpensive rural village houses, $5-$20 range.
Some big parks with nice untouched forests, overall nice Nothern type nature, still a lot of forests left.
Big drawback is some radiation from Chernybyl is still there (not everywhere, it's spot by spot), and Belarus lowered allowed radioactivity standards for own agricultural products. For this reason, I think best to buy foods in Lithuania or Poland, whatever is closer.
There're also some ridiculous and intrusive laws, but things are changing all the time..

I lived in Belarus long time ago in the 80, it was a different world, of course, but the culture of people does not change that much.
formerclimber

Boulder climber
CA
Aug 3, 2018 - 12:33pm PT
another nickname

My impression is that Russia, excluding urban tourist traps, is at least a bit cheaper on average than Mexico.
I'm not familiar with Mexico prices at all...
I can buy village log home from $1000 to $10,000.
If home was updated with european-style bathroom (instead of outhouse), running hot/cold water and shower/sinks, for $15,000-$20,000
This is for average region. If go to region with particularly beautiful nature, tourist places, say close to Black Sea or in Mountain Altai, simple log homes will start from $20,000

Food: store food is actually very expensive in Russia....but I plan to have own little farm. Gas is cheap. Medical help is cheap or free. Medications are cheap.
Education is free or cheap.


Personally I find many aspects of Russian culture to be appealing, but an American's impression of these things is almost entirely irrelevant to the native-born.

As potential tourist, it's astonishing that a ticket for a 7,000-mile train ride to the Pacific is (in theory, unless I'm mistaken) available for less than $200. Tourist agencies don't recommend this, for various reasons they don't come right out and say.

The cheap train ticket is "platzkart": 6 people per each open section of train car.
The better ones are cupe: 2 or 4 people in private room.
The reason they don't recommend cheap ones is probably feel you won't enjoy patzkart ride. There'll be smells, from foods and bodies (no shower), half dressed people, someones feet on your bed if you're on the upper shelf, noise as patzkart is open system, people walking right by back and forth day and night. No space to stand in the corridor, as corridor is also taken by beds people sleep on, in two levels. Criminal element is more likely to ride platzkart. Also, some "cupe" tickets include toilet right inside the cupe, private restroom. Shared car restroom is not for the faint of heart.


Air travel is also quite cheap. Mountain areas are of course very remote from most of country.

I gather that one's rights/relationship to "authorities" as a tourist vs. dual citizen vs. regular ole citizen would differ.

Despite whatever downsides to USA there may be, obviously one wouldn't want to mess in any negative ways with the Russian bureaucracy.

Dual citizens in Russia, enter Russia as Russian citizens, subject to all Russian laws for citizens, and do not really have any protections from 2nd citizenship.

Foreign tourists normally get much better treatment from the authorities. However there was a case of American student killed in Buryatia not too long ago, and clearly it's a case of cover up, where local authorities framed it all as death of exposure, despite facts pointing in opposite direction. His body got 2nd autopsy in the US, and US firmly insists he was murdered. But nothing can get through local small town coverup....


As for Lyme disease, this is grossly overblown concern -- purely as a matter of medical science.

Did you mean in Russia or in the US? In the US, Northestern states, it's a huge real problem now; spread a lot in the last few years, because of climate change and de-predation there's really an epidemic. I talked to outdoorsy people from these states and they're all taking precautions against ticks and watching for them, wear special treated clothes, all scared of Lyme and it's a real deal. Even one doctor ended up in a hospital for several months, even he wasn't able to recognize early signs to stop it in its tracks early enough to avoid hospitalization.


Interesting that in Russia, occult healers and such are much more widely consulted than in USA. Not my cup of tea.
Yes, this's tremendously popular. Most of them are crooks but some are real deal, as I can attest from personal experience.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Aug 3, 2018 - 12:39pm PT
Not my cup of tea.

Поганки чаи! 🤪

And how much for a nice used Zhiguli? 😉

(I know there’s no such thing as a nice used Zhiguli)
formerclimber

Boulder climber
CA
Aug 3, 2018 - 12:46pm PT
johnntp

formerclimber, I'm not here to get in a beef with you. I really did offer some constructive recommendations. Did you look at the link on Alaska property I posted earlier?

I found that in two minutes by googling "alaska land cheap". A more thorough search would find even better prices for land suitable for homesteading off grid.

If you are going to categorically reject all input other than agreement to go back to Russia, what are you asking the question for?

I had spent considerable time analyzing Akaska real estate market.
With the money I'd be willing to spend in the US, one can not buy Alaska home that is not a 1) total fixer that could be former meth lab or 2) has needed for me communications (I require on-grid electricity and need some wired internet, Satellite internet won't support my work) 3) not landlocked and has year-round access not on snowmobile, atv, or boat 4) has at least half-acre lot and not in the middle of crime-ridden area or city 4) not in a flood or tsunami zone
Prices went up a lot.
Stewart Johnson

Mountain climber
lake forest
Aug 3, 2018 - 12:47pm PT
Try climbing again
formerclimber

Boulder climber
CA
Aug 3, 2018 - 12:48pm PT
Climbing is not an option for me again.
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Aug 3, 2018 - 12:57pm PT
I require on-grid electricity and need some wired internet, Satellite internet won't support my work

I would wager finding reliable hardline/cable internet access is still going to be very difficult in rural areas of Russia. I know for a fact that it's hard or impossible to get in the US in many rural areas I've looked for homes. I need very similar high-speed reliable lines to do my work and that severely curtailed where I could live here.

Roll the dice man, head back on over and see what happens. Hopefully this crazy Russiaphobia wanes here and saner heads prevail.
formerclimber

Boulder climber
CA
Aug 3, 2018 - 01:05pm PT
To fear and johntp:

I can much easier find all that in Russia.
I'm in constant communication with farmers, freelancers living in rural places, city people who moved to the village.
Internet is not a problem. There're good 4G possibilities.
There're good wire possibilities (DSL, sometimes fiber). I can actually get local administration to run wire to my house.
Of course, internet availability is not uniform everywhere, one has to look at coverage maps.
Electricity is not any kind of problem at all. Everything there has electricity and lines do get repaired propmtly.
This is for $10K house with 2 acres.
The bad thing will be not electricity but roads, need good 4x4 and a winch to get myself unstuck.
formerclimber

Boulder climber
CA
Aug 3, 2018 - 01:20pm PT
fear
I would wager finding reliable hardline/cable internet access is still going to be very difficult in rural areas of Russia. I know for a fact that it's hard or impossible to get in the US in many rural areas I've looked for homes. I need very similar high-speed reliable lines to do my work and that severely curtailed where I could live here.

In the US, also, a lot depends on a county.....Pend'o'Reille county in WA (very rural) installs fiber all over rural locations. Chelan County in WA does the same, I believe.
Mason county in WA has Comcast cable internet and other cable companies servicing rural parcels. Bonner County Idaho: I've seen Northland cable internet on 10 acre parcels.

My work can be done over DLS or even good uninterrupted wifi from tower, this is easier.
formerclimber

Boulder climber
CA
Aug 3, 2018 - 01:25pm PT
johntp

And you can find those in Russia AND what you are asking for??

I have friends that use satellite internet for transmitting/receiving detailed geological and environmental data transfer in remote locations. Why do you need wired internet?

You said you could live off grid. Which is it?

I answered above why I can easily find them in Russia. Soviet infrastructure was extensive and it's still there.
Satelline internet won't work for me because of latency. I need to be able to have meetings using VoiP or video chats sometimes in my line of work. Also interruptions are not acceptable because this results in being logged out of remote server, where often most of the work is done.

I didn't say that I could life "off grid"...it's definitely not in this thread. I said I need "on grid".
A Essex

climber
Aug 3, 2018 - 01:29pm PT
MuriKKKa is becomig a fascist paranoid hillbilly $hitshow that it is becoming harder to dirtbag in. It is a an unkind brutal system, becoming the Purge. Europe and China are already making side deals, the market will crash soon enough and they will gladly pick up the pieces of this patriotic sham.

Putin is an authoritarian that controls media, but at least he is honest about it. He is smart, probably the richest man in the world, and he always has a wry smile like the has the Ace up his sleeve. #Putin2020

how is the climbing in Russia?
formerclimber

Boulder climber
CA
Aug 3, 2018 - 01:36pm PT
another nickname

I recently saw a couple of GREAT movies about Russia as gangsterland 1990s (I know that's ancient history now), by a deceased director Aleksei Balabanov. The films were "Brother" and "Cargo." Perhaps compared with some of Quentin Tarantino's work.

MOUNTAINEERING ANGLE: Sergei Bodrov Jr. played lead in" Brother" and apparently became like Tom Cruise of Russia.

While making a film was killed at age 30 by a massive ice and mud flow in the Caucasus. The slide covered nearly 10 miles and killed 125 people.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kolka_Glacier

I liked Cargo 200 too....recently, watched it again. I think it really showed what was happening at that time, the corruption and betrayal. In rural places it is still like this, to this day. (didn't get to watch Brother, don't like reminders of the 90s rule of mafias).
Bodrov dying in ice flow was just shocking...and yes there're some mythical versions out there, of the reasons for it.
formerclimber

Boulder climber
CA
Aug 3, 2018 - 01:37pm PT
johntp


I want on MY OWN land, without ridiculous building codes, be it a yurt, teepee or whatever, this is a big deal for me.

To me that implies off grid living.

I'm done here. Go to Russia; it's what you want to be told.

Strongly disagree. Off grid living means not being connected to public utilities and not dependent on them.
What I said "I want on MY OWN land, without ridiculous building codes, be it a yurt, teepee or whatever, this is a big deal for me." does not imply the above in any way.
tooth

Trad climber
B.C.
Aug 3, 2018 - 01:45pm PT
You lasted twice as long as I did in the USA. Go ahead and leave. You’ll be glad you did.
formerclimber

Boulder climber
CA
Aug 3, 2018 - 01:47pm PT
another nickname

From St. Petersburg it's a 30-hour drive or a $300 (RT) flight to Sochi -- which I assume is nearest extensive area of alpine (caucusus) within Russia. Probably the Alps or Norway is same distance or closer....

. The US State Dept. currently doesn't recommend going to Mt. Elbrus-- (my recollection of some of this specific information is weak).

I bet there's some rock climbing in Crimea -- but it might be a little bit complicated there these days, especially for non-natives.

There are definitely things in Urals -- alpine & cragging.

There's crazy-ass stuff waaay out east --- the geography becomes vastly complex.

Mt Elbrus best be avoided. But Sochi and mountain area north of it are OK. Caucasus Nature Preserve, Mezmay, Guzeripl, Kamennomostskiy offer come climbing.
In Crimea, yes, there's climbing, as to complications I think there might be a problem using Visa card there/banking services.
Beautiful mountains and lots of climbing in Mountain Altai and Sayan Mountains.
And yes, lot of stuff further east or north from Central Siberia....
formerclimber

Boulder climber
CA
Aug 3, 2018 - 01:49pm PT
Dingus Milktoast

Hmmm, it appears you're screwed.

Sorry.

Ciao
DMT

I don't really want to travel to other countries...
I'm fluent in Russian and English, familiar with life in Russia/US, and don't want to venture and live to some place unknown, with unknown language and different mentality.
formerclimber

Boulder climber
CA
Aug 3, 2018 - 01:53pm PT
another nickname

One astonishing thing about Russia is the river network. One thinks of the historical "Canadian voyagers"..... and various obsessive, crazy paddling adventurers of today.....

It would be entirely possible to put together canoe trips in Russia that would last for YEARS......given a 100-mile portage here and there (or possibly canals).

As a teenager, I spent summers traveling on a yacht down river networks in the North, we went from Moscow to White Sea for example, each trip took months.
One time we had to escape from drunk villagers, all in fisherman's village were drunk non-stop day after day, and they got aggressive ....escaped into a bad storm on Onega lake and it was dark already (it's a huge lake, like a sea) felt lucky we got out alive.
formerclimber

Boulder climber
CA
Aug 3, 2018 - 01:59pm PT
A Essex

MuriKKKa is becomig a fascist paranoid hillbilly $hitshow that it is becoming harder to dirtbag in. It is a an unkind brutal system, becoming the Purge. Europe and China are already making side deals, the market will crash soon enough and they will gladly pick up the pieces of this patriotic sham.

Putin is an authoritarian that controls media, but at least he is honest about it. He is smart, probably the richest man in the world, and he always has a wry smile like the has the Ace up his sleeve. #Putin2020

how is the climbing in Russia?

Climbing is good if you live close to nice mountains areas, otherwise have to travel in summer for outdoor climbing (distances too big for driving). Not much of it in Central Russia, got to either go close to Caucasus mountains (hot climate), or East, to Ural, Sayan, Altai mountains....there're a lot more places but pretty much anything East of Lake Baikal is not really safe for this kind of travel now.

Unfortunately, "unkind brutal system" is how one can describe the current US situation...
Well if the crash comes, may be at least it makes homes affordable....
I see that housing will be privatized more and more into the hands of big corporations, and their goal is to create a nation of renter slaves. They already took over hotel industry, over taxi industry....over short term rentals...taking over medical industry.....I believe their next target will be long term rentals and depriving people of home ownership completely.
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