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tooth
Trad climber
B.C.
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Jun 27, 2018 - 12:49pm PT
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I can as camping or sleeping in a tent at a climbing area somewhere uphill from san Bernardino, single pitch area. up that windy road. Someone let loose with a gun after dark. We were luckily pitched up against a fallen tree as high/diameter as our tent so unless the bullets rained down he probably couldnt hit us sideways. Our poor friends were out in the open. I could see this as being an accident just as easily as being a targeted shootig down there.
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Jun 27, 2018 - 01:11pm PT
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Further to what Tooth said, above: During the years we were putting up climbs at Zeke's Wall (in Washington, a few miles west of Index), we often felt like we were in a war zone. The logging road network we used to access the wall was hugely popular with the local off-road vehicle crowd, and if there were two things they loved even more than driving around up there, it was drinking and shooting.
They were always friendly, and tended to do most of their shooting with huge dirt banks as backstops, but I sometimes felt that it was only a question of time before the mix of guns and alcohol led to serious injury or death. Probably of one of their own number, but possibly some climber/hiker/rider who just happened to be in the path of a stray bullet.
In the end they got themselves banned from the whole area because their irresponsible driving habits led to torn-up roads and damaged salmon-spawning streams. Probably saved human lives as well as salmon lives.
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WBraun
climber
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Jun 27, 2018 - 01:22pm PT
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Folks: He was shot in the head.
He was offed 1st degree, not some stray bullet.
Meanwhile .... stuportopo armchair investigators come up with a million stray bullet scenarios .....
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micronut
Trad climber
Fresno/Clovis, ca
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Jun 27, 2018 - 01:24pm PT
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I've not any children so no context, but is it common to go camping solo with a 2 and 4 year old? Seems weird no?
My kids are now older but that 2-4 year old range was a total blast to camp and even backpack with them. I even did solo "Father/daughter" "Father/son" backpacking trips with them each year at that age. One mile in, set up camp, horse around, make a fire, catch a small fish, s'mores. go home day 2. Some of my fondest memories.
Sad story.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Jun 27, 2018 - 09:51pm PT
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the immigrant crime rate is lower because illegals are afraid to talk to la migra...perhaps...
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Fat Dad
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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Jun 27, 2018 - 10:27pm PT
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Yup, let's blame the usual suspects. Illegals are the problem; not guns.
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Ricky D
Trad climber
Sierra Westside
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Jun 27, 2018 - 10:49pm PT
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I'll go with the killer being a PTSD afflicted homeless Vet sniper living in a cave above the park.
Or Colonel Mustard in the parlor with a candlestick.
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tooth
Trad climber
B.C.
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Jun 28, 2018 - 06:20am PT
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I've not any children so no context, but is it common to go camping solo with a 2 and 4 year old? Seems weird no?
My girls are 2 and 4 and im leaving tonight for the Juan De Fuca trail. So no, not weird to hike with kids.
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crusher
climber
Santa Monica, CA
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Jun 28, 2018 - 02:09pm PT
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Malibu CSP is what I would consider an "urban" park. It's close to high-density population areas some with with gangs and it's on a major thoroughfare between the San Fernando Valley and the beach which is highly used, especially this time of the year.
I'm not going to speculate on who did this (or the other shootings) but keep in mind (those of you who are not familiar with this area) it's not out in the boonies, it doesn't take a big effort to go there from pretty much any part of the L.A. Basin or Ventura and a very mixed demographic uses the park.
All of this just makes it harder to figure out what happened unless they're lucky and have some good clues or forensic evidence.
Condolences to family and friends of the deceased.
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10b4me
Social climber
Lida Junction
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Jun 28, 2018 - 08:59pm PT
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I'm sure the fine deputies of Lost Hills/Malibu Station will catch the suspect.
you mean the station fattrad worked out of? good luck with that.
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Jun 29, 2018 - 09:45am PT
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Emery's death was tragic and those guys that confronted him were all serious aholes. However I would not call it murder in the classic sense (intending to kill someone). One of them sucker punched Emery who fell to the ground and hit his head.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Jun 29, 2018 - 11:24am PT
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I guess that the Cali thing of background checks for ammo is making for a safer world.
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Jun 29, 2018 - 12:10pm PT
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I guess that the Cali thing of background checks for ammo is making for a safer world.
The "bullet button" release on Kali AR's has doubtless saved millions of children and kittens.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Jun 29, 2018 - 12:23pm PT
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Yeah, but they are hell on fingernails.
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Jun 29, 2018 - 12:27pm PT
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Yeah, how dare the voters approve a measure to help keep ammunition away from criminals.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Jun 29, 2018 - 12:31pm PT
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Yeah, the Chris Rock plan to end gun violence.
$5K/ bullet!
Sounds reasonable to me (it'd make me wildly rich).
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monolith
climber
state of being
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Jun 29, 2018 - 12:34pm PT
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You could upgrade to the double wide.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Jun 29, 2018 - 01:19pm PT
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mono; always the troll.
but then perhaps for you it would be.
Show us your courage anonymous troll!
I can't imagine how sad a life must be when one actually enjoys pestering others hiding behind an avatar. I'm fortunate to still have a few friends alive and more resources than most, which I hope to apply to worthwhile causes.
How sad would life be if all I could do for fun is troll others.
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