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Gunkie
Trad climber
Valles Marineris
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Jun 25, 2018 - 10:31am PT
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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Jun 25, 2018 - 10:51am PT
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This is a terrible tragedy for those kids and the family that must carry on.
It's not weird to ask about camping with kids- people are just bluntly rejecting the notion that it is weird to go camping with small kids, even as one adult alone with them.
My parents went camping with me when I was a year old, maybe younger. My first overnight camping trip as a single parent with my kids was when they were about 4 and 6 yrs old, and we had many trips after that. I would have gone sooner, but as long as I was with their mother, she was not on board with camping with young kids. Some people just live bound in a fear-based paradigm.
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Chris Cunningham
Trad climber
San Francisco
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Jun 25, 2018 - 10:59am PT
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I've spent quite a bit of time in this park. Generally, it's popular with two demographic categories.
One category is a bunch of reasonably civilized, probably educated local people; some of whom go there to climb on the rocks.
The other catagory is composed of people who like to spray paint
graffiti is a language other than English, have an apparent preference for Tecate beer and don't seem to mind leaving piles of empty Tecate cans next to their graffiti.
It's not an urban park where wandering around by yourself, with your guard down, is well advised.
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Jim Clipper
climber
from: forests to tree farms
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Jun 25, 2018 - 11:39am PT
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Hope the police do know more. Also, tragic for those kids that will likely benefit from short term and longer term care.
Maybe,is tick season is mostly over? Rattlers may be about? Carry sunscreen, and an extra harness? Hang a rope to the left, and start a conversation with the homies about chalk being cheating?
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SC seagoat
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, Moab, A sailboat, or some time zone
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Jun 25, 2018 - 02:29pm PT
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^^^^. Ummm. Four chairs in that picture. Plot thickens.
Susan
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monolith
climber
state of being
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Jun 25, 2018 - 02:31pm PT
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The four year old should be able to say if someone else was with them. The article said experts in child interviews were being called in.
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WBraun
climber
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Jun 25, 2018 - 02:35pm PT
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Deceit is imprinted in Pfizer and Allergan's "corporate DNA
Just google Allergan corruption and ethics.
He worked for Allergen, big big big pharma.
They might have off'ed him if he was ready to spill some serious damaging corporate beans ......
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Jun 25, 2018 - 02:43pm PT
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Nobody heard the shot? If it was up close and personal that means the gun was suppressed, had a silencer. Of course anything bigger than a .22 is still going to make some noise, but most folks won't recognize it as a gunshot. Silencer = pro.
That or a flukey shot from far away...
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monolith
climber
state of being
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Jun 25, 2018 - 02:50pm PT
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Read the last link. Yes, gunfire were heard.
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BigB
Trad climber
Red Rock
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Jun 25, 2018 - 02:53pm PT
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His wifes statement seems a lil weird to me...
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Bargainhunter
climber
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Jun 25, 2018 - 02:59pm PT
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There is a trend of these types of shootings in that park. Perhaps it's the same sociopathic perp? Kind of like the Ten Sleep shooter who killed multiple people?
Further details here:
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-father-killed-malibu-creek-20180625-story.html
I've spent plenty of time on trails there and adjacent areas of the Santa Monica Mountains. I've rarely seen anyone in the more remote nooks except for the occasional trekker or mountain biker on a fire trail road, aside from the crowded areas like Planet of the Apes wall etc. I'm sure many of you have climbed in the park. Perhaps it's time to isolate the mobile phone metadata during the occurrence of each shooting to see if there is a common phone present at all of them? Not that the shooter wouldn't know to leave his phone at home.
A previous victim was a wildlife researcher who offered to mount clandestine trail cams to help catch the perp. This could have been useful in hindsight.
The recent victim's wife was an OBGYN studying for exams, doubt she was psycho. As for the Big Pharma conspiracy theories, some of you watch too much TV.
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jeff constine
Trad climber
Ao Namao
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Jun 25, 2018 - 04:17pm PT
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Trip wire's with cans works great.
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Bargainhunter
climber
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Jun 25, 2018 - 05:56pm PT
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is it common to go camping solo with a 2 and 4 year old? Seems weird no?
I road trip with my 4 year olds frequently. Every trip between CA and the PacNW when we get sleepy, we just pull over up some random forrest service road, drive up a few miles, and throw down the tent at an pullout for a impromptu bivy. Near Lassen, Shasta, Klamath, Mt. St Helens, Mt Baker...no problems ever.
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10b4me
Social climber
Lida Junction
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Jun 25, 2018 - 09:25pm PT
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if it was random, then one of the kids could have been randomly shot. nawmean?
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pud
climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
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Jun 25, 2018 - 09:48pm PT
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A noise likely woke him up and he shot himself by mistake.
Either that or he had an unsecured weapon in the tent and one of the children did it by accident.
Either way, a tragic case for the kids.
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monolith
climber
state of being
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Jun 25, 2018 - 10:01pm PT
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...and the gun magically disappeared.
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canyoncat
Social climber
SoCal
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Jun 25, 2018 - 10:45pm PT
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I hope the mommy has a better alibi than "I was home studying by myself". They'll start with her and work outward if they can eliminate her.
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ß Î Ø T Ç H
Boulder climber
ne'er–do–well
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Jun 25, 2018 - 11:11pm PT
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