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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Apr 19, 2018 - 01:51pm PT
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You sure that you aren't putting up a route by WoS?
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Apr 19, 2018 - 02:15pm PT
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If dewalt is for homeowners they certainly fooled about half the construction companys that I run into...
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Apr 19, 2018 - 04:01pm PT
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I’ve a pile of drills it isn’t worth buying new batteries for.
IMHO ‘cordless’ means ‘environmental disaster’.
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Contractor
Boulder climber
CA
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Apr 19, 2018 - 04:36pm PT
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I have my eye on this
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Apr 19, 2018 - 04:52pm PT
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that thing is insanely light! if it actually drills fast enough and enough holes in real stone it would be THE ticket for lead drilling.
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JLP
Social climber
The internet
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Apr 19, 2018 - 05:07pm PT
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I handled one in the store last night - it's indeed insanely light - and also very small and compact. It feels more like 1 lb in the hand, like a squirt gun or something. I didn't drill anything with it, though...
If it works well enough for bolting, I could see this thing taking over the climbing market.
I already have 3 hammer drills, can't at all justify another...
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Contractor
Boulder climber
CA
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Apr 19, 2018 - 08:55pm PT
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I read a review- 10 holes per compact battery and it accepts full size batteries.
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shipoopoi
Big Wall climber
oakland
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 19, 2018 - 08:59pm PT
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^^^^^^^^^^^
does that take the regular 18v batteries? if so i'm heading to home depot tomorrow.ss
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JLP
Social climber
The internet
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Apr 19, 2018 - 09:32pm PT
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My feel for 2.0 battery life would suggest that’s more like 10 shallow holes in fresh concrete - but extra 2.0 batts are nearly weightless and grabbing a 4.0 or 5.0 for a bigger job ain’t no thing. I have their compact drill and impact driver, super happy, zero sacrifice over heavier tools. I have larger drivers, but rarely use them except for boring large holes.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Apr 20, 2018 - 03:02am PT
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Spare battery can be on the other end of the tag line.
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shipoopoi
Big Wall climber
oakland
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 21, 2018 - 08:02pm PT
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JLP...what store did you see that at, i struck out at my local home depot. ss
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JLP
Social climber
The internet
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Apr 21, 2018 - 09:49pm PT
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It was Depot as well. My location is showing free delivery if you order it online. You can return to local store if you don't like it. It's also on Amazon Prime for the same price. Why drive. I hate driving.
I dunno about tool brands - except I can say the absolute best crew I've had at my house had a lot of Harbor Freight. Absolute worst crew ever showed up with a bunch of Hilti and Festool.
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JLP
Social climber
The internet
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Apr 21, 2018 - 10:36pm PT
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made you pay them eh? Slower than fuk working cost plus - thought a lot of themselves - fired.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Apr 22, 2018 - 05:40am PT
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when I started full time carpentry I really needed a job. all I had for drills and drivers was Ryobi. one of the kids on the crew that I signed up with was super critical. gave me sh#t all the time about my crap tools. finally we did a test 4" green screw into pressure treated. Ryobi won the race. I ran those Ryobi drivers 40hrs a week for 8 years and now they still do light duty in my wood shop. I have acquired a pretty good kit and it is a complete mix of the best tools that I could afford. Millwake, Makita,Bosch, Dewalt, Freued. Fein, etc. I now run the dewalt impact drivers because they are the fastest that I have encountered. At one point I ordered an 18v Ryobi rotary hammer. I tested it in stone and returned it. Not fast enough. I now run a 36v bosch rotary hammer. I guess my point is that I am not hung up on brand names I simply want the best tool for the job regardless of brand.
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Contractor
Boulder climber
CA
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Apr 22, 2018 - 09:20am PT
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I try to convince my employees and subs that paper and pen, so to speak are the most poweful tools- write sh#t down, form a plan, sketch it out, refine it to material and cut list, make it clear- no ambiguity. Retracing steps and arguing who's memory is more fuked up when sh!t goes bad is a job killer.
Our electrian details out everything, makes job schematics on his set of plans, keeps them filed, marks out the job in incredible detail and then photographs all his work. As a result, has as much fun time and toys as anyone I know.
BTW- I've never noticed what type of drill he uses...
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Greg Kuchyt
Trad climber
Richmond,VT
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Apr 26, 2018 - 01:39pm PT
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I own a 36V Bosch and that compact XRH06ZB Makita. The Makita is still new to me and I only have 12-24 holes on it using a 3.0 Ah battery. So far, in the cold and with medium strength rock I can get 6-8 1/2" holes on one battery while also using it with a recip saw to do some pruning at a new cliff.
I mainly do bolt replacement, occasionally putting up a new route. I picked up the Makita for days when I am going out to look at something and may need to fix a bolt on the spot because it's close to half the weight of my Bosch.
For bolt replacement when I'm dealing with lots of holes and corroded bolts I prefer the Bosch. The increased power of a 36V tool is helpful when spinning wedge bolts and it makes reaming out a hole to a larger diameter a non-issue. From what I've seen the lower voltage tools don't spin wedges as well. I haven't done an exhaustive comparison of no-load RPMs in rotary mode but I suspect 36V have higher RPMs.
My one sentence summary of the Makita is that it's a good tool designed for lower volume usage where the weight and size are valued over other factors. It's not intended to be an industrial tool like a Bosch or Hilti. Nothing from the exterior looks outright terrible, it's all glass-fiber reenforced nylon which is standard for good tool.
One thing I will say about the Makita is that the vibration dampening is a little less effective and I've found on deep new holes 1/2" x 4" my hands start to get a little numb. I don't feel this with the Bosch as it drills faster and also seems to dampen the vibration better. A corollary to that is that at times the drill can chatter a bit and you need to be mindful of that and support the drill in order to minimize chowdering the hole. For anyone who has experience drilling, this isn't a big deal but I could see a young gun blasting out a hole by not properly supporting the tool.
I like the weight and size of the Makita and on days where you may want other tools like a compact recip saw or an angle grinder (for recalcitrant bolts or cutting steel chain for anchors) it's nice to be able to use a one battery solution for all the tools. If you are only using the Makita lightly (a dozen or less holes) and are invested in Makita tools, it's a good choice. If I were buying into a battery stack for the first time though, I'd stop and look around a bit.
I've used one of the "20V" Dewalt rotary hammers and it seemed nice and it seemed capable but it wasn't much lighter than my Bosch. Given how cheap the Makita is, the fact that its strengths are exactly the qualities I was valuing, and the fact that I'm already into Makita's batteries, I don't regret this purchase. If I wanted one drill to do re-bolting and put up new routes or work on a construction site. I'd get the Bosch or a Hilti.
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schwortz
Social climber
"close to everything = not at anything", ca
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Apr 26, 2018 - 04:35pm PT
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Also heard good things about the XRH06ZB Makita and am also already invested in the Makita batteries. will post up if/when I pick one up and drill some holes.
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Greg Kuchyt
Trad climber
Richmond,VT
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May 11, 2018 - 06:04am PT
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Maybe beating a dead horse here, but some interesting stats.
I have the Bosch 3611J03R10 which I guess goes by GBH 36 V-EC as well. It's the standard compact 36V model, but likely 7 years old at this point.
Looking at the tech sheet...
-The Bosch hits with 50% more energy on every blow (1.8 J vs 1.2 J on the Makita)
-The no load RPM on the Bosch is 1500 RPM, versus 680 RPM on the Makita.
-The impacts per minute is roughly the same. Bosch 4850 IPM, Makita 4800 IPM
-Not including the battery the Bosch weighs ~25% more. Batteries will make a huge weight difference as the 36V cells are heavier. Weighing on my scale, the Makita w/5.0 Ah batteries is half the weight of the Bosch with a 2.6 Ah battery.
-Interestingly they have about the same cutting capacity in concrete at 18mm for the Bosch and 17mm for the Makita. I would feel more comfortable pushing the Bosch a bit more on that than I would the Makita.
On-going usage opinion, I re-affirm the sub-compact Makita is a great drill for light duty use. I don't think the tool is necessarily incapable of lots of work, but the greater "power" and robustness of the Bosch will be noticeable if you're drilling a lot of holes or need to drill large holes.
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WBraun
climber
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May 11, 2018 - 07:13am PT
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Greg thanks for the reviews.
I have about 8 various impact guns Bosch, Milwaukee, Ingersol Rand, for my job.
I'm not looking for a bolt gun but I always appreciate people who do write-ups like yours on products,
it really helps so much ......
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jskierpx
Trad climber
Truckee
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Thanks for the info on this thread. I have a handful of Makita 18v LXT so I pulled the trigger on the XRH06ZB. Picked it up on EBAY new for $150 (tool only). I will update after I do some bolting, but since I only put up a few routes a season I think it will work out well.
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