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shipoopoi
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oakland
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Topic Author's Original Post - Apr 15, 2018 - 09:01pm PT
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i am currently in the market for a rotary hammer, a cordless makita is the obvious choice for me since i already have 5 or 6 makita tools. i have been looking at the
Makita 18-Volt LXT Lithium-Ion 7/8 in. Cordless SDS-Plus Concrete/Masonry Rotary Hammer Drill of which there are 2 models
XRH03Z
XRH04Z
i need it for my work as an electrician, as well as drilling the odd bolt in granite OUTSIDE of yosemite
any beta?
steve schneider
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steve s
Trad climber
eldo
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Apr 15, 2018 - 09:15pm PT
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While technology improvements in batteries and power tools have reduced the need for large voltage batteries, 18v is kinda on the weak side for multiple holes at depth in concrete. Even more so in granite. On the job site how deep and what diameter hole are you commonly drilling into concrete ? Or just make sure you have more than 2 batteries.
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JLP
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Apr 15, 2018 - 09:54pm PT
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IMO, depends what else you have. I have a few hammer drills of increasing aggression and power.
It's nice to have something light that can drill mortar without pulverizing it or something to get a hole near the edge of a piece of stone without chipping it off - then it's also nice to have something you can bust through an 8" wall with.
I have a lot of Makita stuff because of the batteries - all great tools. I prefer each of them over the equivalent Dewalts, for sure.
I'd generally rather swap smaller batteries and have a light tool in my hand. The lithium batteries charge so fast, it's irrelevant.
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Majid_S
Mountain climber
Karkoekstan, Former USSR
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Apr 15, 2018 - 10:01pm PT
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ryobi er-160
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Mungeclimber
Trad climber
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Apr 15, 2018 - 10:16pm PT
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I'm an 18v Bosch guy now. The only reason to go heavier on amh/v is if you aren't stancing or have to do a lot of holes for work, especially overhead.
Though if you haven't drilled on lead with the 18v before, try it out first on easy ground. It doesn't have the same 'bounce and engagement' that the older Bosch's do.
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JLP
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Apr 15, 2018 - 10:32pm PT
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The Makita 1.5 Amh batteries sucked bigtime. I think 2.0 is the smallest now - great size for a small impact driver and will last several hours of near continuous use - but kind of small for a hammer drill - figure at least a 3.0 or 4.0 for such a beast. 5.0 seems nice, I'd like one for something like a sawzall or circular saw - otherwise I have a bunch of 4.0's that do fine. If I were drilling a granite sport pitch, I think I'd probably want 2-3 5.0's fully charged to get a decent length pitch in - just a guesstimate.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Apr 16, 2018 - 02:52am PT
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The 5 ah dewalt batteries are absolutely sick.
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shipoopoi
Big Wall climber
oakland
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 16, 2018 - 08:38pm PT
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i was hoping somebody actually had experience with these because they are only available online and i hate to buy something that i have not been able to fondle previously. ss
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skywalker1
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co
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Apr 17, 2018 - 12:43am PT
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Is it an ergonomics thing? Makita is my go to brand for getting the job done and durability. Some brands fit my hand better or are balanced better. The word fondle stuck out.
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shipoopoi
Big Wall climber
oakland
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 17, 2018 - 09:25am PT
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it doesn't sound like anybody here actually owns one of these, so i am still wondering whether to go for it or not. i have 4 18v makita batteries in my tool quiver, and just thought this would be a good additioin. ss
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JLP
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Apr 17, 2018 - 03:59pm PT
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Once you have a few of the batteries, it's all downhill until you have the whole collection including the weed whacker.
Lots of vids on youtube reviewing most tools, it can be a rampant consumer tool nerd fest out there, surprised you posted here. With Makita, sometimes you have to find the Euro part number equivalent or just search for Makita hammer drills in general.
I like their recent sub compact line of tools, the black ones, they have a rotary hammer version too, quite a bit smaller and lighter than the models you are looking at. Might not work for someone drilling dowels into concrete all day, but maybe an electrician - it's a pretty unmanly tool, though, guys at work might think you have a small dik.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Apr 17, 2018 - 04:25pm PT
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I do know that at work the new dewalt 20v brushless impact drivers with the 5AH batteries made the Makita 18v units obsolete instantly. I would get an 8in timberlock or 8"X 5/16th" GRK half sunk and totally stuck with the Makita and have to borrow one of the new Dewalts to instantly sink it. There is not even any compareson at all. Sinking 3" x 5/16: GRKs into LVL carrying beam I would literaly get at least 6 screws in with my new Dewalt 20v Max XR with the 5ah battery to every one the boss would get in with the 18v Makita. I have no idea how this translates to the respective rotary hammers other than anything brushless with a 5AH battery is going to kick butt over the smaller batteries.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Apr 17, 2018 - 04:42pm PT
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So a bit of quick research.
Makita sub compact 18v rotary hammer 4.2 lbs No idea how well it works???
Dewalt 20V max brushless 6.2 lbs. assume it works as well as my other 20V max tools which are all very impressive.
My Bosch 36v is about 6.5 lbs
The sub compact Makita would be quite interesting for lead bolting if it is fast and gets you at least 10 holes so you can finish a pitch and get an anchor in..
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JLP
Social climber
The internet
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Apr 17, 2018 - 04:45pm PT
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You're really just comparing tools. Makita presently has a drill driver with the highest torque, even with that wimpy 18V, maybe next month Dewalt will be selling it, maybe Milwaukee the month after. 20V over 18V means pretty much nothing except to marketing and meatheads.
That said, thing I don't like about Dewalt is they obfuscate their performance parameters by either not listing them or by making up their own non-sense metrics - so you really have no idea. Fine company, own lots of their stuff, it won't be junk whatever you get - but might not be the best either.
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Batrock
Trad climber
Burbank
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Apr 17, 2018 - 06:25pm PT
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This is what I have. I get between 12-14 3/8x3 1/2" out of each charge in granite and concrete. Cons is that it's heavy and long. If drilling on lead its a PIA. If rapping it's a non issue. It has way more torque than my Bosch 18v but my Bosch is way better on lead due to it's compact size and light weight.
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shipoopoi
Big Wall climber
oakland
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 17, 2018 - 08:02pm PT
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thanks batrock, nice to finally talk to somebody that owns and uses one of these...i think that is the XRHO84Z version. yeah, rap bolting is no problem for me outside the park, and i think it'll work for my electrical work as well. i'll probably hesitate a little more and then go for it
thanks to everybody else for their opinions, really appreciate, steve schneider
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Apr 18, 2018 - 02:58am PT
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JLP side by side on a construction crew the dewalt 20v Max brushless with 5 ah batteries roughly 6 times faster and more powerfull than Makita 18v.... to be fair the makitas have the lithium batteries but are not new??
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JLP
Social climber
The internet
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Apr 18, 2018 - 05:52am PT
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Both companies make a lot of drills, the Makita XPH07 is 1080 inch-lbs to Dewalts advertised “800 UWO” DCD996. I have no idea wtf UWO means except “not as good as the competition”, but someone figured it out and concluded the Makita had more torque. I’m sure many Dewalt drills are more powerful than many Makita, doesn’t say anything without specifics - and good luck getting those.
Point is, these guys all have access to the same technology and they know thier competition, there is no “Top Brand” for anything, it’s just personal preferences - and how many batteries you already have, they can be more expensive than the tools.
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steve s
Trad climber
eldo
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Apr 18, 2018 - 07:49am PT
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I am currently running all Makita Brushless 18v Lxt. That’s multiple drills, 6” circ saw, and saws all. Recently got the Cxt drills for lighter stuff ie cabinetry which I do alot of. I have a both a corded and cordlesshammer drill ( Bosch bulldogs)No need for another one. Over 30 years of full time carpentry I have tried all the brands . Bosch use to great then it was Milwaukee tried the Dewalt drills... total junk. Gave it away. Only Dewalt tool I recommend is the 3 knife bench planer, the rest is for homeowners. Makita cordless tools have a much more solid feel. Just got their 18v multi tool with a 5.0 battery to use when I am too lazy to bust out a cord for the Fien tool...the thing is solid and rips! Ultimately if you already have Makita batteries stick with that. Cheers... now get to work!
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andy@climbingmoab
Big Wall climber
Salt Lake City, UT
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Apr 19, 2018 - 01:48pm PT
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I've been using the Makita XRH03Z for a few years. Its a great drill - light enough to drill on lead with, and it has done fine drilling even in hard quartzite.
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