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Todd Gordon
Trad climber
Joshua Tree, Cal
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Mar 22, 2018 - 06:48am PT
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When it comes down to it...what do you really need in life? Family, friends, love, a job, a place to live, and a toothbrushe.....sure;...it's fun to have 1000 guidebooks....(I only have about 850...)......but all those guidebooks;....do ya really need them, and how often do you look at them. And once you are in your 60s....how many of these places are you going to go to and climb? These are the questions real men ask themselves...
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Todd Gordon
Trad climber
Joshua Tree, Cal
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Mar 22, 2018 - 06:51am PT
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Roots
Mountain climber
Redmond, Oregon
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Mar 22, 2018 - 07:55am PT
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Todd you're one of the lucky ones; who gets to have their guidebook library in their living room! LOL
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steelmnkey
climber
Vision man...ya gotta have vision...
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Mar 22, 2018 - 09:08am PT
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Been thinking about reducing the avalanche hazard in my office one of these days...
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wheatBeer
Social climber
TheBronx
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Mar 22, 2018 - 09:14am PT
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Hey Randy,
Do you have an updated list on what you have available?
Little hard for me to jump in to the chaos 5 days later.
Thanks
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Rick A
climber
Boulder, Colorado
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Mar 22, 2018 - 11:58am PT
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In response to Todd,
They can pry my collection from my cold, dead hands :)
I'll never visit most of the places, but one can still dream.
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Brian in SLC
Social climber
Salt Lake City, UT
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Mar 22, 2018 - 12:09pm PT
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Been thinking about reducing the avalanche hazard in my office one of these days...
Yeah?
I dunno. Re-doing some of the shelving in the ol' book room (reducing that avy hazard)...makes me ponder...
There's a few of us that have fairly large collections. Not Nick Clinch large...but...
Over time, I think the value of "collectable" books hasn't been a great investment, money wise, if one wanted to consider it that way. Always the hope to get that precious hole filled without having to pony up large. The 5 dollar flea market score.
Hmmm.
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looking sketchy there...
Social climber
Lassitude 33
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 22, 2018 - 12:17pm PT
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Wheatbeer,
I'm kinda just filling requests for people and seeing what I may have (or can find) for different areas, states or regions. Best to email me with what you may be seeking and I can try to generate a list and/or photos of guides that might be of interest.
Randykvogel at gee male
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mooch
Trad climber
Tribal Base Camp (Riverkern Annex)
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Mar 22, 2018 - 01:34pm PT
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Randy -
Haven't heard if you surrendered the Stonemashers guide. If not, I sent you an email.
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Pete_N
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, CA
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Mar 22, 2018 - 02:00pm PT
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Randy: It's fun to see your photos of those old guidebooks. I used to have a bunch of mimeographed 8.5x11 sheets that Vern Clevenger (?) put together of Tuolumne routes. I got them from Rob Ramey in 83 or 84 I think, but they're long gone. Do you have those? Don't hunt for them on my account--I don't need them, just curious. thanks! Pete
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Todd Gordon
Trad climber
Joshua Tree, Cal
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Mar 22, 2018 - 07:58pm PT
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Rick .....I understand what you are saying.........guidebooks represent trips, adventures, vacations, challenges, excitement , travel, friends, campfires, far away places, new friends, stars, wildlife, dreams, goals, training, planning, movies, camping, trees, wild places, water, swimming, freedom, beauty, excitement, anticipation, high places, fitness, .......Randy.....how could you sell your collection!! are you MAD!......(thank you Rick for the perspective.......I too need to justify my obsession with guidebooks;.....which isn't as bad as you or Randy....but almost...)....
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looking sketchy there...
Social climber
Lassitude 33
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 23, 2018 - 12:18pm PT
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It's fun to see your photos of those old guidebooks. I used to have a bunch of mimeographed 8.5x11 sheets that Vern Clevenger (?) put together of Tuolumne routes. I got them from Rob Ramey in 83 or 84 I think, but they're long gone. Do you have those? Don't hunt for them on my account--I don't need them, just curious. thanks! Pete
Pete, yes, I have several of these pre-formal guide Toulumne guides. It was a place I sent a lot of time climbing.
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Gail Hightower
climber
SE
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Mar 23, 2018 - 01:01pm PT
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Before dividing up the collection,
Have you looked into selling it as a whole to a university or research library? This is they type of collection that environmental lit, outdoor rec programs might be looking for as part of an archive.
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Roots
Mountain climber
Redmond, Oregon
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Mar 23, 2018 - 04:13pm PT
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.guidebooks represent trips, adventures, vacations, challenges, excitement , travel, friends, campfires, far away places, new friends, stars, wildlife, dreams, goals, training, planning, movies, camping, trees, wild places, water, swimming, freedom, beauty, excitement, anticipation, high places, fitness,
Todd - of all the climbing gear I have, the guidebooks I have used mean the most to me...for all the reasons you mention above..with an emphasis on "dreams"...
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looking sketchy there...
Social climber
Lassitude 33
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 23, 2018 - 05:49pm PT
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Todd, I'm only selling guides to places that aren't central to my climbing memories or that I didn't really use. Still keeping lots, but many hundreds are just gathering dust and I feel good about passing those on to others who might appreciate them.
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Todd Gordon
Trad climber
Joshua Tree, Cal
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Mar 24, 2018 - 07:39am PT
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As the dog returneth to it's own vomit......we return to our guidebooks;.......they are our binky, our passifiers, our baby blankets......they hold our hand through the storms of life. They represent the past, present, and future. Guidebooks can make America great again. Those who have lost or misplaced their favorite and precious guidebook know exactly what I am taking about. To some they seem only as paper and bindings. But we know better. Those who have woke up at night sleeping at the base of some 2,000 foot unknown adventure, looming in the darkness as a massive shape of wonderment, admiration, and anticipation;......best check the guidebook one more time with the headlamp and look at the various pitches for the hundredth time;....like a child looks at wrapped presents at Xmas time. (and yeah;....it's OK to rip that page out of the guidebook and bring it on the climb;...you can tape it back in the book later...don't want to screw up the climb because you don't have the info...such guidebooks wear the scars of real use, real adventure, and pay for themselves tenfold)......and some rainy damp evening, when you are sitting by the fireplace all warm and cozy and safe, you can get out that old Yosemite guidebook, that red rocks guide, or that Canyonlands guidebook, and see the wear and tear of many of your life's greatest adventures represented in the dirty, torn, weathered and worn guidebook, a sense of pride and honor will well up in your bosom and a smile comes over your face as to say........job well done. (This does not apply to millennials who take pictures of guidebook pages with their phones to bring on climbs or get their "guidebook" fixes off internet "guides"......or ...worse yet.....take pictures of other older real climber's guidebooks so they don't have to support guidebook authors with their purchases.)
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Todd Gordon
Trad climber
Joshua Tree, Cal
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Mar 24, 2018 - 07:41am PT
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Brian in SLC
Social climber
Salt Lake City, UT
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Mar 24, 2018 - 10:01am PT
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Hewl ya, Todd!
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Rick A
climber
Boulder, Colorado
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Mar 24, 2018 - 06:54pm PT
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Well and elegantly put, Todd!
(Except for the part about dog vomit) :)
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Scrubber
climber
Straight outta Squampton
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Mar 24, 2018 - 08:05pm PT
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I'd love to put in a bid on the Glenn Woodsworth Squamish guidebook. It's the only Squamish one I'm missing with the exception of the original Jim Baldwin single sheet.
If you have any other old Squamish guides, I may pick them up too to pass on and help others around here with their collections. Just sent you an email.
Kris
Bouldering guides omitted for clarity...
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