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Nick Danger
Ice climber
Arvada, CO
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Dec 18, 2017 - 01:59pm PT
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Well written, bravely introspective, nice job, Beth. Life is a journey, no doubt about it. I hope you continue to thrive amidst the chaos, Beth.
ceers
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Dec 18, 2017 - 02:24pm PT
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I remember reading that somewhere too. All I can find in a search now is a story by Greg Child from 2003, that mentions meeting Ravshan Sharipov, the guy Tommy pushed off the cliff, in his cell in Bishkek where he was awaiting his death sentence:
https://www.outsideonline.com/1821591/back-edge
and from Greg Child's book about the incident: https://tinyurl.com/y7uq2m5b
I was searching also, and all I found was stories stating that he was on death row. I do not find anything saying he was executed. I don't see anything saying he was freed either.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Dec 18, 2017 - 02:26pm PT
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Tommy deserves a medal for saving the team from the terrorists.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Dec 18, 2017 - 04:04pm PT
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WOW! powerfull read.
total douch move to judge someones actions in a life and death situation while you hide behind an avatar.......
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originalpmac
Mountain climber
Timbers of Fennario
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Dec 18, 2017 - 05:23pm PT
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^^^ Though awful, what does all of that have to do with the facts about what happened? Are you saying thst because of atrocities allegedly committed by some of (the worst of) our countrymen that they should have had sympathy for their captor?
Edit to add, really great article.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Dec 18, 2017 - 05:48pm PT
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lot of f*#ked up people in the world. many of the hiding behind avatars....
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Darwin
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
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Dec 18, 2017 - 07:41pm PT
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In the off chance that Beth R. reads any of this. THANKS for writing that!!!! I loved the personal relationship and climbing perspectives. From my considerably different perspective of a 60++ year old male, yeah we all have to re-visit a tons of decisions, but I think you're great.
I hope you/she is still climbing (sounds like it) and LIKING it.
OK, if I had my way I would only let Tami, jgill, and Largo post to ST, but that would be a mistake, but OMG there is a lot of chaff here. And Haan, but he hasn't shown up in this thread.
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martygarrison
Trad climber
Washington DC
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Dec 18, 2017 - 09:31pm PT
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I read this when it first came out. It was certainly worth a reread. So well written.
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JLP
Social climber
The internet
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Dec 18, 2017 - 09:57pm PT
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I'd feel a lot older if she didn't still look like she was 18.
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micronut
Trad climber
Fresno/Clovis, ca
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Dec 18, 2017 - 10:57pm PT
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Beautiful film by Graham Zimmerman up thread there. Thanks for sharing that. And beautiful article by Beth. Our "sport" is lucky to have characters like both she and TC.
And add me to the list of posters who think xCon is a bit of a loser.
Scott
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gumbyclimber
climber
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Dec 18, 2017 - 11:25pm PT
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XCon,
My advice is to practice keeping your thoughts to yourself. You have zero ability to empathize nor to engage in basic logic or critical thinking. Combining that with your firm confidence in your own beliefs and assertations is a truly embarrassing display. I’ll skip any conversation we are ever presented with the option of.
“Pentagon approved narrative”, Lol, for starters.
I’m the only person here who knows what happened there. Your words are wind and not even a hot one.
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WBraun
climber
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Dec 19, 2017 - 07:22am PT
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So ......
Who is xCon?
xCon .... are you saying their story was fabricated and made up?
Who are you?
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Bad Climber
Trad climber
The Lawless Border Regions
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 19, 2017 - 07:24am PT
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A useless sack of discontent and trollery. He can go back into his hole anytime. The rest of us will continue to admire Rodden for her courage, strength and honesty, and xCon will continue to be a miserable sack of complaints and grievances.
BAd
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AKDOG
Mountain climber
Anchorage, AK
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Dec 19, 2017 - 09:16am PT
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outside knows their MARKET
Reads like a people magazine article on climbing royalty.
Must have been hard for her write about some real personal stuff; maybe that's the price of being a celebrity.
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MH2
Boulder climber
Andy Cairns
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Dec 19, 2017 - 09:27am PT
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I thought the Greg Child article in Outside well nuanced and researched.
Much respect for Beth, Tommy, and Tami.
Be sure to read Tommy's book.
But the Western knowledge of that part of the world is incomplete.
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Dec 19, 2017 - 12:21pm PT
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I always thought the story was fishy...
I've got a pretty thick foil hat myself but can't understand why a small group of 20-something year old naive American tourists getting kidnapped would be that much of a stretch to imagine or have anything to do with some larger nefarious plot.
And they pushed one of their captors off a cliff... Good... Pushed, stabbed, shot, strangled.. whatever... You do what you have to do to survive and/or escape.
Nice article btw. I often wondered how she felt trying to keep up with that inhuman climbing machine, Tommy! I remember her jugging up some sufferfest with him when she had the broken ankle and thought to myself that just can't be cool back at home.
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originalpmac
Mountain climber
Timbers of Fennario
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Dec 19, 2017 - 02:31pm PT
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^^^ So what do you think happened? It was a big conspiracy to sell advertisements through outdoor media and funnel money to a despot?
Confusing to say the least. Bullsh!t to put it lightly.
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JLP
Social climber
The internet
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Dec 19, 2017 - 02:59pm PT
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I find it difficult to believe they did not know anything about possible dangers in the area. They interacted with no one who knew there was hostility in the area? I don't buy that for a second.
Kids that age, they want to see that kind of stuff.
Sure, I can see an influence of xCon's perspective playing out - a story of survival sounds better than one of naivety. It doesn't matter, though, they got themselves an adventure out it, for sure, and it's their story to tell and they have the right to spin it however they want. Same with anyone reporting on it.
These people questioning pushing the guy - that absolutely does not compute with me. I would have shot the guy, chopped him up and ate him if had to for survival - fuk that - there goes dinner and a bunch of supplies off the cliff, wtf did you do Tommy?
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Dec 19, 2017 - 03:10pm PT
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Is takeing a working vacation in a combat zone stupid? hell yea it is and that angle was played pretty hard by lots of people at the time. Is their story as they told it believeable? hell yea. did that story get exploited by the powers that be? of course. That is their job. Its what they do but that certainly is no fault of the kids that got kidnapped. Is Tommy a hero for not only pushing the guard off a mountain trail and enableing his team to escape but also for then helping them find government troops and making contact without getting killed. That was probobly the only way they come home alive. Is ex con an as#@&%e for pinning the deeds of the corupt governments on these kids? absolutly!
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Bad Climber
Trad climber
The Lawless Border Regions
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 19, 2017 - 05:37pm PT
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@JLP: I think there WAS a State Dept. warning about the area, but they pushed on anyway--young, immortal, super accomplished--not hard to understand why.
BAd
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