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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 29, 2017 - 07:23am PT
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The FCC chairman said in the past 2 days that no amount of protesting or complaining is going to stop him from killing net neutrality.
Glad Trump's government is of the People, by the People, and for the People.
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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Nov 30, 2017 - 09:05am PT
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War is peace. Hatred is love. Killing the Internet is "Restoring Internet Freedom"
https://wccftech.com/net-neutrality-abuses-timeline/
From the article:
2005 – North Carolina ISP Madison River Communications blocked VoIP service Vonage.
2005 – Comcast blocked or severely delayed traffic using the BitTorrent file-sharing protocol. (The company even had the guts to deny this for months until evidence was presented by the Associated Press.)
2007 – AT&T censored Pearl Jam because lead singer criticized President Bush.
2007 to 2009 – AT&T forced Apple to block Skype because it didn’t like the competition. At the time, the carrier had exclusive rights to sell the iPhone and even then the net neutrality advocates were pushing the government to protect online consumers, over 5 years before these rules were actually passed.
2009 – Google Voice app faced similar issues from ISPs, including AT&T on iPhone.
2010 – Windstream Communications, a DSL provider, started hijacking search results made using Google toolbar. It consistently redirected users to Windstream’s own search engine and results.
2011 – MetroPCS, one of the top-five wireless carriers at the time, announced plans to block streaming services over its 4G network from everyone except YouTube.
2011 to 2013 – AT&T, T-Mobile and Verizon blocked Google Wallet in favor of Isis, a mobile payment system in which all three had shares. Verizon even asked Google to not include its payment app in its Nexus devices.
2012 – AT&T blocked FaceTime; again because the company didn’t like the competition.
2012 – Verizon started blocking people from using tethering apps on their phones that enabled consumers to avoid the company’s $20 tethering fee.
2014 – AT&T announced a new “sponsored data” scheme, offering content creators a way to buy their way around the data caps that AT&T imposes on its subscribers.
2014 – Netflix started paying Verizon and Comcast to “improve streaming service for consumers.”
2014 – T-Mobile was accused of using data caps to manipulate online competition.
NOTE: The current head of FCC in charge of policies to regulate these firms, was a lawyer for Verizon crafting some of the abuses above! Same pattern in every agency these days. #MAGA
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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Nov 30, 2017 - 09:20am PT
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what, you guys act like relatively unhindered web-based dissemination of information is important to informed participation in our democracy. sheesh, it's plainly obvious that it's all fake news anyway.
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Lollie
Social climber
I'm Lolli.
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There's another, more sinister aspect. When you lose net neutrality, it's not only the commercial competitors which can be blocked. It can also be used for political reasons. News, debates and other critical information can be diverted into those channels the net owners prefer - and others be harder to reach. Knowledge of the world outside USA will grow smaller still. (Not that it ever was any great interest in the first place.)
A small step each time, you'll hardly notice it. It will seem as the normal way to do things. While providing bread and shows for the people to keep them calm. A wellknown philosophy since thousands of years.
Let's dig this thread up in ten years time. Let's see what one thinks is normal by then. (I mean of course what you think is normal, Europe is moving in the opposite direction. At the moment at least.)
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WBraun
climber
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It's sooo simple.
Criminals want to over control everything so they can remain criminals .....
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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How will i know what happening if Veterans Today gets blocked...?
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Lennox
climber
in the land of the blind
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Dec 14, 2017 - 12:48pm PT
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It’s gone now because of this Verizon shill asshat Ajit Pai.
[Click to View YouTube Video]
The only hope to stop him and the ISPs are the states AGs that are planning to sue because of the fraudulent public comment process.
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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Dec 14, 2017 - 01:28pm PT
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Well it was nice, what we had, back in those Open days.
I heard that when you googled Pai (Pi redirects to either 3.145... or to the following):
steaming formless waste-pile, First Amendment attacker, Second Amendment attacker, Anti-discourse,
wait, they just changed it. Pai comes back as the first harmonious sounding of the Collective Mind. thank dog somebody did something about that lawless killdevil internet "community" of iniquity. No more of those devious types shall speak.
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Climberdude
Trad climber
Clovis, CA
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Dec 14, 2017 - 02:20pm PT
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He will probably go back to Verizon to get a handsome reward. Why does the thoughts of Nuerenberg Trials keep coming up?
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Portland Oregon
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Dec 14, 2017 - 02:31pm PT
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I’ll be interesting to see what he EU does in response. They have net neutrality laws for anyone who does business in the EU
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jogill
climber
Colorado
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Dec 14, 2017 - 03:24pm PT
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Sorry to see Disney acquire so much of Fox. FX has had excellent series, but that may go away. Guess I'll have to subscribe to an internet provider along with DirecTV. Everything changes so rapidly for an old guy!
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Dec 14, 2017 - 04:57pm PT
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Net neutrality is gone. Feel the freedom coursing through your veins.
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Portland Oregon
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Dec 14, 2017 - 06:02pm PT
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Hell-ooo ninth circuit.
BREAKING: The following states are suing Trump's FCC in order to preserve #NetNeutrality
💻California
💻Delaware
💻Hawaii
💻Illinois
💻Iowa
💻Kentucky
💻Maine
💻Maryland
💻Massachusetts
💻Mississippi
💻NY
💻North Carolina
💻Oregon
💻Pennsylvania
💻Vermont
💻Virginia
💻Washington
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ontheedgeandscaredtodeath
Social climber
Wilds of New Mexico
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Dec 14, 2017 - 08:05pm PT
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With this new freedom we will have the awesome choice between internet that is the online version of cable TV or no internet. Yay!
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Dec 14, 2017 - 08:59pm PT
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Again, tell me when you look at the history of net neutrality, of our history, the DC Circuit upheld the 2015 decision. Why? Because it was based on solid legal ground. Title II, the clearest authority that we have — very little, if any, ambiguity. And now we’re going to short-circuit all of that and go back to a foundation, a legal premise, that has been thrown back, that is uncertain and that will ensure that we will have years and years of litigation and a probable reversal? Tell me, in a place where the majority is talking about certainty when it comes to regulations, tell me, how certain is that? Again, if I can appropriate what was said some time ago: a solution in search of a problem. We do not have a problem. We have clear legal authority that has been upheld. We are using the foundation that Congress enabled us through the Communications Act to codify, and now we’re shifting gears after the public has weighed in, after a number of businesses have built their models of service. We’ve got clear rules of the road that protect individuals, small businesses, and yes, even those large businesses, and now we’re about to reverse course on all of that, and send us, I believe, into this regulatory frenzy that it will be years for us to get out of. It absolutely, if I can borrow a phrase from somebody, is wrongheaded. We’re moving in the wrong direction, and I think December 14th will mark a very sad day in regulatory history.
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kunlun_shan
Mountain climber
SF, CA
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Dec 15, 2017 - 08:47pm PT
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Vey interesting article below from The Intercept about building public/municipal broadband.
F%^k being stuck with Comcast or corporate ISPs that don't care about their subscribers. Internet access should be a utility service similar to electricity. The public needs to own it!
https://theintercept.com/2017/12/15/fcc-net-neutrality-public-broadband-seattle/
It may sound radical but it’s not unheard of. Today, around 185 communities in the United States offer some form of public broadband service. Because these services are controlled by public entities, they are also accountable to the public — a perk that anybody who has tried to get a broadband company on the phone can appreciate. (In November, residents of Fort Collins, Colorado, rejected an industry fear-mongering attempt and voted to authorize the creation of a citywide broadband network.)
.....In the aforementioned Colorado, 31 counties have pushed back, voting to exempt themselves from a state law prohibiting municipal broadband services.
Christopher Mitchell, director of the Community Broadband Networks Initiative at the Institute for Local Self-Reliance, has studied the systems that have popped up all over the country. He pointed out to The Intercept that these systems have far greater incentive to maintain net neutrality and that local control has some benefits people may not immediately consider.
“One of the things that we’ve seen with a hundred examples of municipal broadband is not only do people get the benefit of non-discriminatory access, they typically pay less, they have better access, and if something does go wrong, they get much better customer service,” he told The Intercept. |
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Tobia
Social climber
Denial
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Dec 16, 2017 - 06:47am PT
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I don't know where Lorenzo grabbed his quote listing the states that have filed suit against the FCC's decision on net neutrality, but it is a sad day when you see that the state of Mississippi being more progressive in their stance against such mindless decisions as your own state (Georgia).
There is no disrespect for Mississippi intended, but it is not known for being at the forefront of such actions.
I have two choices for an ISP and that is DSL service provided by AT&T and the alternative satellite service provided by DirecTV. Of course that is not much of an option since DirecTV is a subsidiary of AT&T.
Limited choice and control of access to information in America is nothing new. The precedent was set prior to this ingenious decision by the FCC on net neutrality with the birth of corporate control of media and limited access to information beginning with print media. This was followed by the advent of radio and television based solely on profit and political loyalty that was based on what was best for the corporation(s).
If you are interested in reading a saga of this control written in 1975, well before before anyone the birth of the internet, try David Halberstam's "The Powers That Be".
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Contractor
Boulder climber
CA
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Dec 16, 2017 - 07:17am PT
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Blanket rejection of Goverment regulation with the push for Libertarian governance by sycophant legislators within the current framework of campaign finance law will always lead to the enrichment of the oligarchs by way of siphoning off the working class.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Dec 16, 2017 - 09:35am PT
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Using automated scripts to access publicly available data is not "hacking," and neither is violating a website's terms of use.
yet this website (SuperTopo) states in its agreement that using automated scripts is not acceptable use, click on the Terms of Service page that you viewed and agreed to to obtain your account:
"You also agree that you will not use any robot, spider, other automated device, or manual process to monitor or copy any content from the Service. "
However, both SuperTopo and "Third Party Services" may be allowed to do just that... at the discretion of the site's owner, SuperTopo LLC.
it is amazing that the fiction of an "open market" in terms of Internet Service Providers seems to be invoked to justify the pull-back of regulation, at the same time that municipalities are restricted from providing public access because they would compete against the "commercial sector," a presumption that these public entities have an unfair advantage.
I don't have much choice in internet provider for broad band access, Infinity/Comcast is my "choice." It would have been great if the city of Livermore had included WiFi service when it switched it's public lighting to LEDs, so every street light was a portal to high speed internet, and all neighborhoods would have equal access.
But then Livermore couldn't ever decide to fluoridate its water...
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