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Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Dec 16, 2017 - 09:43am PT
Izzit time for some lawyer jokes?
Lorenzo

Trad climber
Portland Oregon
Dec 16, 2017 - 06:32pm PT
I don't know where Lorenzo grabbed his quote listing the states that have filed suit against the FCC's decision on net neutrality, but it is a sad day when you see that the state of Mississippi being more progressive in their stance against such mindless decisions as your own state (Georgia).


http://fortune.com/2017/12/14/net-neutrality-fcc-lawsuit-ajit-pai/
madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Dec 20, 2017 - 06:05pm PT
GB is, in fact, an absolute monarchy. Parliament exists at the discretion of the crown, and the crown is absolutely above the law.

That said, it's a benevolent monarchy, which is more than we can say for "our" "representatives."
monolith

climber
state of being
Dec 20, 2017 - 06:15pm PT
GB is, in fact, an absolute monarchy

Bullsh#t.
madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Dec 20, 2017 - 11:07pm PT
GB is, in fact, an absolute monarchy

Bullsh#t.

Not.

You have only to go to the UK government site to see the facts. Among them, the Crown must agree to all legislation passed by Parliament. She officially opens and can on a whim close all Parliamentary sessions. She has absolute control over the Prime Minister. She is herself not subject to any laws passed by Parliament (nor anywhere else in the world, due to quirks of diplomatic law and her role as Head of State). I could go on and on, but here's a decent video summarizing her absolute powers. Of course, she chooses not to exercise even a fraction of her actual powers, because if the people felt that they were indeed under an absolute (and arbitrary) tyranny (which, really, they are), they would likely revolt.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiDCwqpupj8&t=471s

The UK is not what most people think it is, particularly the subjects of the Crown. But the facade of democracy pretty much works, as long as the Crown is satisfied with the results of the process. But the people there are SUBJECTS, not represented in any more than the thin-process of "recommendation" to the Crown alone. That process could be withdrawn on a whim, although it almost certainly would not be (again, due to the risks of unmasking the actual realities).
monolith

climber
state of being
Dec 21, 2017 - 06:09am PT
LOL, MB1! You had all this time to look it up and still got it wrong.

England is a Constitutional Monarchy.

Saudi Arabia is an example of an Absolute Monarchy.

You are the Cliff Clavin of ST. So sure of himself and can go on and on, yet so wrong.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Dec 21, 2017 - 10:46am PT
monolith, you should apologize to Mr. Clavin. He is a mere caricature.

Andrzej, where has all the humour gone, back to GB to die?

Reilly, there are no jokes in lawyer land besides the attorneys themselves.

https://www.fastcompany.com/40508500/a-lot-of-dead-people-apparently-supported-ending-net-neutrality



madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Dec 21, 2017 - 10:49am PT
England is a Constitutional Monarchy.

You say the words, because you looked it up on Google, but you don't know what the phrase means, much less how it is actually applied to the way the UK works.

Another useless tangent with a lib who knows everything and recognizes no nuances. "Monolith" is a great handle for you, since your thinking is so monolithic.

See, two can play at the personal attack game. Stupid, isn't it? How about let's stick to ideas rather than personal attacks.

Back to Net Neutrality, regulating these monopolies seems to me one of the most crucial roles the federal government can play. These "regional" ISPs should be broken up like Ma Bell was, imo.
NutAgain!

Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
Dec 21, 2017 - 11:30am PT
That said, it's a benevolent monarchy, which is more than we can say for "our" "representatives."

Bottom line, most people (myself included) are benevolent to the extent that it is convenient or has no personal consequences. When personal consequences enter the picture, benevolence becomes much more rare.

Here are examples of the similarities between UK and USA in terms of hiding assets for avoiding taxation or avoiding the bad public image of making profits off of things that hurt people:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/11/05/paradise-papers-queen-bono-kept-money-offshore-funds-leaked/

This is one of the Queen of England's hidden investments:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/money/irresponsible-loans-firm-brighthouse-ordered-11398741

Note in the first article, how many of Trump's inner circle and people in whom he entrusted great responsibilities for the United States of America are part of the fiasco. One might argue that is a good part of the tax law changes, that there will be less incentive now to hide assets offshore. But people will still hide assets because no taxes is better than 21% taxes. And now, when they want to make big luxury purchases in USA, they have a way of repatriating ill-gotten gains with less siphoning off by the USA gov't, less need for money laundering schemes like shady real estate deals.
monolith

climber
state of being
Dec 21, 2017 - 11:50am PT
Keep digging your hole deeper, MB1. Pleasure to watch.
madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Dec 21, 2017 - 05:25pm PT
Keep digging your hole deeper, MB1. Pleasure to watch.

Pffftt

Right back atcha. Since for you, it's apparently gotta be personal, and you repeatedly demonstrate that you cannot discuss without personal attacks, I can only say that I'm always saddened to see people whose "intellect" is limited to whatever they can "dig out" of Wikipedia, with no capacity for nuanced understanding.

Carry on.
madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Dec 21, 2017 - 05:28pm PT
Good points, imo, NutAgain! When "interests" of any sort emerge, altruism too often goes right out the window.

When I see things like the Comcast/Time-Warner merger even taken seriously by the FTC, and now Net Neutrality voted against (in the face of hundreds of thousands of citizen contacts urging it to be protected), I'm just disgusted by the Rebumblecons and the "hands off" perspective (that our founders did not share).
NutAgain!

Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
Feb 23, 2018 - 09:32am PT
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/02/22/587896608/fccs-repeal-of-net-neutrality-on-track-to-go-into-efffect

The Federal Communications Commission is working toward officially taking current net neutrality rules off the books. The agency took the requisite formal step of publishing the rules on Thursday, opening the door for lawsuits from a number of state attorneys general and advocacy groups.

Senate Democrats have also been pushing for a special congressional vote to block regulations from going into effect, but have so far been one vote short of overcoming the Republican majority. A similar vote would also face a very high hurdle in the Republican-controlled House of Representatives....
Tom

Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
Feb 23, 2018 - 05:33pm PT
Any meaningful legislation at the Federal level will have to wait until after the 2018 elections. The GOP is so fanatical in its fealty to major donors, they are willing to discard the Constitution and their own sacred policy positions to placate big business and wealthy people. Net neutrality is antagonistic to corporate monetization of the internet, so it is a high-value target. The only solution is to vote them out of office, which seems quite likely, given how Trump's supporters are beginning to recognize him as a deranged liar with a pro-one-percenter agenda.


California is poised to enact state-level legislation that would require net neutrality rules for any telecommunications companies doing business in those state.

In response to that (and other things) Trump says he is prepared to punish California by calling back border patrol guards, and allowing "Mexican rapists" to rampage and pillage the state.

Trump borrowed that tactic from Roman Emperor Caracalla, who turned his troops loose to sack the city of Alexandria because they had mocked him in a theatrical play.

Trump is Caligular and Caracallan. His sons are Tweedle-Dumb and Tweedle-Dumber.


NutAgain!

Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
May 16, 2018 - 01:34pm PT
Senate doing some symbolic good- but Trump would probably veto even if it somehow passed the House. I'm glad that folks are still fighting for this issue that will profoundly shape our lives in the future:
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/05/16/611598361/senate-approves-overturning-fccs-net-neutrality-repeal
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
May 16, 2018 - 01:46pm PT
I do not give a rats azz about net neutrality unless the cute cat videos on YouTube start buffering and pixelating. That would suck.
Splater

climber
Grey Matter
May 16, 2018 - 10:35pm PT
according to this article,
the momentum is swinging against the FCC repeal.

https://gizmodo.com/heres-what-next-in-the-fight-to-save-net-neutrality-1826086759?rev=1526505901579

If there were nothing in it for telecoms to profit from repeal, (and rip off consumers), why are they investing many many millions of dollars to bribe Republicans in the house and senate?
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