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Steve Grossman
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
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Nov 27, 2017 - 10:42pm PT
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Patrick- you are a good soul and a capable climber so I would be more than happy to figure into your plans. I have yet to climb Rainier but the choice of routes depends on conditions in July which ordinarily should be good. Let's keep in touch as your dates approach and get out for some fun. I have all of the gear necessary for any outing so bring clothes, boots and crampons and you can borrow the rest.
The routes on the Mowich face seem to be the most interesting to me but the Liberty Ridge is classic if in condition.
Plan on three to four days to allow for proper acclimatization. I live at about 500 feet ASL. Rock climbing is easy to arrange.
Cheers mate!
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California, now Ireland
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 27, 2017 - 11:53pm PT
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Thanks Steve, I may take you up on that. I am not a bad climbing partner. I know how to belay, I think. Hah hah.
Gotta love a good semi-annual Patrick meltdown
Yeah Runout, it helps soothe the soul.
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I was curious, Way Runout, so you have 59 posts all 2017, yet you seem to know about my "semi-annual" meltdowns, as if you have been on the Taco Stand for years. Perhaps you have another avatar/handle that you go by over the years on ST. Do you have a split personality? Shades of Sybil. Maybe you are just a lurker.
Reilly, do you know what a blaggard is? Maybe I am one, maybe you are one. But isn't life fun.
I will climb with anybody if they are competent and they trust me. I do not care about politics, as such. Politics ruin friendships and divides families. Yet, I am inclined to delve into politics from time to time. My bad. It doesn't do any good.
Personalities? Well, we all have them, for the better most of the time.
So, for my "semi-annual" meltdown all I can say is…
…is…
wait, it is coming.
Nope, it didn't arrive. Apologies.
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And I do go by my real name, with the exception of Vlad Pricker, which I came clean on, that was an aberration. Like me.
Another EDIT
You know, a beautiful beach is some 65 meters (a rope length) from my front door. It is a beautiful, cloudless sunny morning. I just walked on the beach with the cat and dog, yes Betty does like walking on the beach with Aggie and I, but she does not like the surf. Cats, they are wimps.
So, when I see negative crap posted (especially about me, and asinine juvenile photoshops of me) I reflect. I posted some crap myself, who am I to judge.
I just soak in the rays of the sun and waves of the Celtic Sea, and thank the heavens I am here.
Now, Lambone, I will not solo Rainier (probably not, I'd be stupid to try with my rustiness, though with luck I could, a lot of luck). As for the Kautz, a slog, a bit of 'easy' tech climbing (it seems) and Bob's my uncle. Yeah, and good weather would help a lot.
It is not about the summit. It is about, the freedom of the hills (where have I heard that before). It is about, climbing. The Fred Beckey spirit, and others. You all know it. Or you would not be here.
Hell, I do not even know if I will make it to the PNW in July.
I will, by hook or by crook. Which is an adage that apparently originated here in Wexford, so some some say - Cromwell's visit to Ireland, when he said he would take Waterford by the Hook Peninsula to the village Crook.
Hmmm, decide for yourself. Local folklore?
I know I have posted this photo before, but I like it.
It took me ages to get that shot. A lucky one too.
And I have to add, it is funny to see how skittish the 'kittish' is when the surf comes up to her. In some ways she wants to play with it, yet, it frightens her (I think). Cats. She is wary, yet cats are, that is their nature of course (I am a zoologist, I sort of know animals).
Now Aggie (border collie lab mix) she will jump right in the surf.
Are you a cat or a dog? I am a donkey.
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California, now Ireland
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 28, 2017 - 03:38am PT
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Now I am going to digress (I am good at that).
I wrote the Fred Beckey spirit.
Rene Desmaison, Royal Robbins, Layton Kor, Hermann Buhl, Reinhold Meissner, Jeff Lowe, Jim Donini, Bridwell, Chouinard, the list is almost endless.
And what are we?
I climbed with Jim once, Lunatic Fringe, I was like fourth up the rope when he was rapping. Big deal.
But I remember this, I do, sitting around a C4 campfire and Bridwell saying he would never ice climb (I was there I do not give a sh#t if anybody says differently, and I was not hallucinating), this from an Olympic level skier (he was), never mind that he was (and is) a so-so climber (hah hah).
He went on to climb some 'minor' climb in Patagonia. So much for "not liking ice climbing”.
You know what I love about this forum? Hmmm. Let me think about that one. The insults, the spraying (did I ? I do not have much to spray about), the way Taco Standers diss other STer's.
The overall polarization, the echo chamber, of this forum and of America. A microcosm?
Do like that? No.
I do not know. I just like being here on the Taco Stand. The climbing threads are for the most part superb. The political posts, well we are all just human, the dog lies as it sleeps.
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California, now Ireland
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 28, 2017 - 04:13am PT
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Climbing Rainier, but some have decided otherwise. I will play. I sit here watching the crows circle the fields. But I post an innocuous thread and I get political grief (cannot Supertoto separate the wheat from the chaffe?
I just want to climb. Sitting here in Wexford, bouldering with some sea outcrops, at the mercy of the tides. At least, prior to Jen's illness, I could climb in Dalkey Quarry. Something.
You all know what is is like, to feel the rock on your hands.
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I am in a feisty mood, and I know what the… I talk about.
There are some on this forum so full of themselves. And one gives me advice on Rainier, "his mountain".
And then another clicks in, let's diss Patrick. He has a "semi-annual meltdown" (more like quarterly dude, get your facts straight).
Yeah, I am going to listen to a troll who has been on the forum for a matter of days, but it his god-given right to criticize,
F*#k it man, do I care? Well I must but just to dress the bullshitters and as#@&%es.
I am average guy. I once thought I was special, but life taught me otherwise.
At the end of the day, I just want advice on Mt Rainier and other PNW climbing.
I have digressed on that topic. But some of the BS...
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California, now Ireland
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 28, 2017 - 06:54am PT
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Thank you all for your advice and suggestions. There was thread drift, of which I contributed to. Knee-jerk reactions.
I believe I have learned a lot (some, enough I hope) of climbing Mt Rainier. So unless there are other suggestions, let us let this thread drift into history.
Cheers and best wishes
Patrick
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Nov 28, 2017 - 07:13am PT
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1) Pick a couple easier routes... 2) Find Partner(s)... 3) Plane tickets... just do it! It's worth it.
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California, now Ireland
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 28, 2017 - 07:35am PT
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Thanks Fear, sound advice.
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I have been thinking, a first for me. I cannot afford a guide service. I have the experience, albeit rusty, with the gear, some I have, (no Footfangs, I will get a proper pair of cramps, I have the boots).
If I have to, I'll climb alone. You people do not know me. I can solo, if I am prepared and my mind is set. Yes, crevasses and glaciers. I did that when I was 14, one does not forget, like riding a bicycle, but a bit more hazardous.
I am no effing newbee, I know how to climb, and I know my limitations. I know the mountains. I know what I can do. What the mountain and weather decides, I have no control over that,.
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California, now Ireland
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 28, 2017 - 08:38am PT
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Thank you Tad
But I will not hope, I will do. I will make the family reunion and I will climb. Rainier,
If i can some in Washington Pass.
I am determined. Do you think all the years I have lived and worked abroad, I am a slacker?
I can climb. It is my blood.
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California, now Ireland
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 28, 2017 - 09:05am PT
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and more importantly, find the happiness in your life!
Yeah Tad, what is happiness? The woman I love, the one who gave me true love, more than any of the previous girlfriends, a love I did not appreciate until too late. She is now in a nursing home. I hate dementia.
She came out hospital, I became her carer. I was told I was doing a good job. Then things (me) slipped.
Folks, do you think I am a happy camper?
Back to the point. I could solo the Willis Wall if I wanted to, I know how. And I can.
But for now, a simple route will do.
And you know, why not a solo of the Willis Wall. If I am going to climb, I may be rusty, but why not? ~I have the experience. Rusty as it is.
I am am sure there are some reasons why not. But if I get in shape, if I get some winter climbs on Ben Nevis, Zero Point Gully for example (and I could do it, finances are the crux) …
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California, now Ireland
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 28, 2017 - 09:42am PT
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Yeah will Jebus, I have a word for you, but my mother taught me to be polite.
Okay, forget what my mom said.
And dickhead, I write from home not some pub, jerk face. I write with sincerity, not some rubbish you come up with. And I do not want some flame wars, so get your word in and we will leave it at that. and I thought I was an as#@&%e, there are a number of us out there.
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California, now Ireland
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 28, 2017 - 09:57am PT
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Hey Jebus
At least you didn’t triple down on me.
You have me, what the hell does that mean?
And Way Run out, so you are reduced to memes. It figures.
This is a thread about Rainier, but it seems like open season, come on, I am in the mood.
I do not like it, I asked for advice and what do I get, some hemorrhoids.
With all due respect to those who had the decency to offer good advice. But trolls will take advantage of any given to spout off and try and ruin things. Sad.
just look at the pathetic photoshop of me by some guy. Why? To soothe the his poor ego? I can do that, but my late mommy says not to.
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California, now Ireland
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 28, 2017 - 10:34am PT
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When did a simple thread like this go down hill?
Jebus had to put his foot in and mention pub and alluded to drink.
Am I just going to sit there and not respond, I should have ignored the ignoramus. But, I am as sucker (though not more of those suckered by his Conman POTUS, are you one of those Jebus?)
I know, I am inviting trouble. I start this thread about Rainier and some others, including me, have hijacked it. That was not my intent
Again, can we focus on Rainier. Forget the idiots.
So what route is the best in a short time and yet "challenging" , not a tourist trap? I still like the idea of the Krautz route.
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California, now Ireland
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 28, 2017 - 10:36am PT
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What an arse wipe Dwain. Grow up and grow a pair.
You got my attention little boy. Are you happy in your squalid existence?
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California, now Ireland
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 28, 2017 - 10:45am PT
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How in the heck a topic like climbing Mount Rainier turned into this. I guess I am partially to blame.
But I did not invite these a*holes to deviate from course.
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California, now Ireland
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 28, 2017 - 10:53am PT
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Whoa, Way Runout. I just saw your post, Thanks for the slap in the face, I needed it.
Some good advice.
I do go over my posts, and correct some things, that is not so bad, is it.
Yeah, I have work to do, in more ways than one. Cheers
Pat.
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canyoncat
Social climber
SoCal
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Nov 28, 2017 - 11:09am PT
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With your propensity for drama, Liberty Ridge.
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California, now Ireland
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 28, 2017 - 11:14am PT
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I like that canyoncat, yes I can be melodramatic. One of my many foibles. But I am sincere, does that count for anything?
Another edit, so I do not bump this post.
I know my strengths, I know my weaknesses, I often show the latter on this forum. It is not insecurity as such, perhaps maybe it is, but it is more of loneliness. Yet, even before Jen's illness (2010), I was spouting off on the Taco Stand.
It could very well be that… I may have issues to look at that I do not see. That is not for this forum.
Still, some of you have highlighted to me, some of my idiosyncrasies, and for that I am grateful.
I still have a lot to learn, and I am only 61. I like to think I have been around the block, but have I?
Best wishes to all
Patrick
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California, now Ireland
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 28, 2017 - 12:37pm PT
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I’m pretty sure whining about your finances on a public forum is nothing new for you.
How true. And you offer some good advice,
So, I ask you sir, you seem to know so much about me (I have "let my hair down" on this forum, so it easy "knowing"me, I have hung my laundry in public so to speak), but your posts are all in this year. Yet, you seem to know (certainly about my previous posts over the years) more than a Taco Stand newbee.
I posted for a while as Vlad Pricker (I had my reasons) but anybody who knew my posts through the years were not fooled. Not that I was trying to fool anybody. I think I made it obvious who Vlad was.
So Way Runout, in all of your infinite wisdom, you are not new to the forum. What are you hiding behind? Or from?
And more sage advice form the swarmi
1. Stop going back and editing your previous posts 1000 times. Make sure you’re satisfied with it first, and then post.
A thousand times? A bit OTT there, eh, Runout.
If I choose to re-edit or correct or update one of my posts, that does not seem to cause you any angst, does it sign swarmi? Yet, it seems so, as you point it out. Annoyed by my edits? And you are the perfect writer? No need for an editor for you.
Yeah, I used to sub on the Sunday Independent, I was told not to touch a certain columnist, his word was sacred. Until he got caught out a number of times.
Nobody is perfect, but you are Runout. I could go on. And I am still curious, you seem to know the forum, what were you before the perfect runout?
You have offered some good advice, which actually I have already received before, and not followed, stupid me. But I call horse manure on you. Your sage advice is nothing new, just regurgitation. And you feel proud for it, I can tell by the demeanor of your words. I have been around the block in that circle.
Best I can tell, you are an as#@&%e who likes shitting on others. Have a good life.
End of story
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California, now Ireland
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 28, 2017 - 01:58pm PT
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Gosh darn it, this thread is about climbing.
All I can say, best wishes to you sad souls who are seeking something else.
Now leave me alone. I do not need your shite or stupid memes.
I asked for advice, for suggestions, and what did I get along the way, some egotist (perhaps more than one), about his exploits on Rainier and some other joker trying to tell me about life and my my previous posts, like he is god.
What is a person to do? Tell then to eff off. Probably beats their wife and kids too.
Sad.
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California, now Ireland
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 28, 2017 - 02:28pm PT
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I have enough on my plate, I do not need gobshites.
Oh I just saw the "video" from that creep.
Yeah I can identify.
You are an as#@&%e Way Runabout. Now I can sleep in peace
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