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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Oct 28, 2017 - 11:27am PT
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To eliminate cars from the valley would require a massive fleet of buses. I think I heard the number 500 bandied about.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Oct 28, 2017 - 02:06pm PT
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Here's another approach, already in place for Glacier Point:
From mid-May to September, you may be required to use a free shuttle from Badger Pass to Glacier Point between 10 am to 4:30 pm when the Glacier Point parking lot fills. If you arrive at the Badger Pass turnoff before 10 am or after 4:30 pm, you can drive to Glacier Point (and all trailheads). If you arrive between 10 am and 4:30 pm and the Glacier Point parking lot is full, rangers will have you park at Badger Pass and use the free shuttle to get to Glacier Point or other locations along the Glacier Point Road. Parking is available at Badger Pass for RVs and trailers, but not for full-sized commercial buses.
So, if you are a day user, and arrive after a certain time, you have to park and ride the bus. I'd think you'd want to stage this outside the park.
Of note, the bus service basically already exists: YART, running from all the gateway cities. It also stops at some resorts.
This could all be accentuated, to the detriment of the lone person or family riding in a car for the day.
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justthemaid
climber
Jim Henson's Basement
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Oct 29, 2017 - 07:09am PT
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@ John M. Thanks for the insight. You clearly have had time and experience to analyze the situation. Yes- a plan like that would be expensive and difficult to implement (especially once the buerocratic enemies-of-progress got thier hooks into it) but it seems like a good solution. - especially if paired with maybe a timing sceneario like Ken describes is happening with Glacier Point.
QUOTE Chainsaw: The fee hike in the Valley will probably be used to pay a private contractor huge pork to run the park. Meanwhile, the govt employees at the top will get raises and administrative compensation packages for their executive duties (doing nothing). That is what government has come to nowadays.
Yup. My thought too^^^
Climb somewhere outside the valley and be happy for free. I chose climbing over other sports because noone owns the vertical world and few people want to go there.
That as well^^^ I enjoy doing vounteer work in the Valley and seeing friends during Facelift, but I have never viewed Yosemite as a "climbing destination". There's a million miles of rock out there you can climb for free and not have to fight the crowds.
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c wilmot
climber
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Oct 29, 2017 - 07:30am PT
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Let the poor enjoy Stockton...
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c wilmot
climber
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Oct 29, 2017 - 07:41am PT
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The parks are incredibly diverse. All kinds of people visit. We have enough private places for rich folks to recreate without those pesky peasants. Let's keep the parks affordable for everyone.
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clinker
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
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Oct 29, 2017 - 08:04am PT
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Oct 29, 2017 - 09:04am PT
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What Chainsaw said about government outsourcing work that they were supposedly hired to perform...Grab the toilet handle and flush some more tax dollars down the sewer...If only the taxpayers knew...
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Oct 29, 2017 - 09:41am PT
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Considering that there is no separate entrance fee (it's included, I don't know how much) to ride in on YARTS, it seems like staying in the gateway communities (or even USFS campgrounds), would be the cheap way to go for day visits.
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JLP
Social climber
The internet
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Oct 29, 2017 - 09:59am PT
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We have enough private places for rich folks to recreate without those pesky peasants. Let's keep the parks affordable for everyone. Where? Private land is generally either fenced off and manicured, or mined and destroyed. The NP's are pretty special, that is what's left of them. You have to leave the lower 48 and head north to find anything else that's close, that or get on a jet. I've been all over this planet, our wild and natural places are disappearing, the Valley is just a micro example.
It's a slow and certain progression that I agree with, that the special places will become more exclusive - that is as long as nothing of value is buried underneath. The food you eat, the schools you attend, the goods you buy, it's all the same thing - too many monkeys on this planet and the distribution of limited resources. In general, if you don't want to step up and compete for your share, there will be less and less for you. What you once had will be taken away by someone who has earned or been granted more money and power.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Oct 29, 2017 - 10:15am PT
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Haven’t paid much attention to this latest attempt to right the world but in a lot of the world a national park means no or very little development. That keeps out 97% of the rich and poor - just the way the animals like it, not that they don’t like pizza deck scraps.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Oct 29, 2017 - 10:16am PT
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JLP gets to the core of the issue..Population control should be on the tips of everyones' tongue but more consumers equals the potential for more profits... I avoid Yosemite primarily because of the crowds ...Getting my ass beat by the Duck is the other reason...
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Oct 29, 2017 - 10:35am PT
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Population control should be on the tips of everyones' tongue but more consumers equals the potential for more profits...
That myth has been covered on ST before. We would be at negative population growth if we eliminated all immigration. We are already seeing a shortage of low paid workers. Population growth = cheap labor and those workers will be funding our social security. negative population growth is a disaster unless we convert to an economy that is sustainable. Given our societies love affair with technology and material BS, we are no where close to achieving sustainability without growth.
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clinker
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
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Oct 29, 2017 - 10:54am PT
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Population control should be on the tips of everyones' tongue
Sounds like a good compromise without total abstinence.
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JLP
Social climber
The internet
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Oct 29, 2017 - 11:09am PT
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War, disease and famine are the only mechanisms of population control.
If you want a glimpse of life in your own (or your children's) future, fly to Shanghai for a week. The metropolitan area is the largest in the world at 90 million - to the entire state of Cali's 40. It does not seem possible until you see it.
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Bad Climber
Trad climber
The Lawless Border Regions
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Oct 29, 2017 - 01:40pm PT
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Oct 29, 2017 - 02:32pm PT
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and the numbers do not in any way support your contention that the poor are flocking to Yosemite right now.
except, of course, for some climber types......
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Oct 29, 2017 - 02:34pm PT
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Where? Private land is generally either fenced off and manicured, or mined and destroyed.
Two that immediately come to mind, were the places where 1. Scalia died, and 2. Where Cheney shot that guy in the face.
I imagine that this falls into the category of: If you have to ask, you aren't rich enough.....
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JLP
Social climber
The internet
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Oct 29, 2017 - 03:24pm PT
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Texas? omg...
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Dec 13, 2017 - 04:13pm PT
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Mark your calendars for the 4 weekends a year NOT to visit a park. Alpine start and a late night exit will avoid fees in most places, although I have seen booths manned as early as 5 am (Grand Canyon)
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