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limpingcrab
Trad climber
the middle of CA
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Topic Author's Original Post - Oct 24, 2017 - 04:05pm PT
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http://www.nps.gov/orgs/1207/10-24-2017-fee-changes-proposal.htm
Still open to public comment if you're so inclined.
Selfishly: Doesn't bother me because I can afford it and I always get the pass anyway. Maybe less people to deal with.
Objectively: Might be prohibitive to some people and I think public lands should be there for anyone who wants some time in the outdoors.
Personally: I've worked for and with the park on several occasions and dot no believe they are efficient with their money so I don't think a fee increase should be an option until they use what they have wisely.
Hmmm..... thoughts?
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TradEddie
Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
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Oct 24, 2017 - 04:29pm PT
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They're actually officially calling it an entrance fee now? I thought that for some reason they had to call it a "use fee", I figured because the governing statute prohibited entrance fees?
I can afford it, sucks for those who can't.
TE
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c wilmot
climber
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Oct 24, 2017 - 04:41pm PT
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The nps wastes so much money on frivolous employees. Very little of their funding actually supports maintenance upkeep.
Does the nps really need interpretation rangers?
How much money has yos spent trying to remove tasty blackberries with cancer causing chemicals?
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JLP
Social climber
The internet
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Oct 24, 2017 - 04:53pm PT
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Nice, but I would have proposed at least $200. $70 is like the gas you have to burn to get from SFO to YOS, anyone can afford that.
Overcrowding is completely destroying these places. Seems like a reasonable, effective and correct way to address the problem.
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c wilmot
climber
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Oct 24, 2017 - 05:02pm PT
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What idiot wouldn't pay the extra five and get the annual pass???...
Foreign tourists...
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dh
climber
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Oct 24, 2017 - 05:28pm PT
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Man, the valley was 5 bucks back in the 90s when I was climbing there. I think it was $25 this summer, is that right?
We enjoyed 4 months in New Zealand this year. National parks there have no entrances, no fees, and essentially no rangers. Which was nice. Of course, there, you have to put up with helicopters and planes all over the place.
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Oct 24, 2017 - 05:38pm PT
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Yosemite, Grand Canyon and Yellowstone rake in a lot of money, 80% of it stays in the park so I do not think they are too short on cash.
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WBraun
climber
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Oct 24, 2017 - 05:39pm PT
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$70 is reasonable.
$69.99 goes to me and 1 cent goes to Congress.
Muhahahahah :-)
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JLP
Social climber
The internet
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Oct 24, 2017 - 05:41pm PT
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let the entitled rich trust funders pay for the infrastructure improvements scam. We already pay for everything else in this country, waste included. If you can't afford to shell out $70 for a day pass, chances are your tax contribution is zero and you shouldn't be entitled to any of the benefits.
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Oct 24, 2017 - 05:45pm PT
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If you can't afford to shell out $70 for a day pass
actually 70 bucks gets you 7 days. Chances are if you can not afford the 70 bucks you are working for little more than minimum wage so that some Morgan Stanley prick can get rich off your hard labor. It is the trickle down theory. Wall Street pisses on your head and it trickles down.
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Rhodo-Router
Gym climber
sawatch choss
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Oct 24, 2017 - 05:47pm PT
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Free if you're on a bike or on foot sounds about right.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Oct 24, 2017 - 05:49pm PT
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actually 70 bucks gets you 7 days.
Seems to me then that the pass should be transferable.
If you buy $70 worth of potatoes you can sell $60 worth to your buddy, right?.
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Tan Slacks
climber
Joshua Tree
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Oct 24, 2017 - 05:56pm PT
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Free if you're on a bike or on foot sounds about right.
Actually the proposal is 30 dollars for bikes and walkers.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Oct 24, 2017 - 05:58pm PT
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Harleys should be charged $1000. I wouldn't let em in at all but that wouldn't be 'fair'.
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Oct 24, 2017 - 06:01pm PT
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The 70 dollar fee would only be in effect from May through September
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired
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Oct 24, 2017 - 06:06pm PT
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Pricing people out of those parks is exactly what it will do.
Betcha the annual passes will also at least double in price.
Enjoy the NP's if you can afford it. Sheeesh!
On the surface, it seems counter productive.
It's almost like the trump administration is saying if you want national parks, you have to pay for them.
Oh well, glad I have my senior pass.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Oct 24, 2017 - 06:06pm PT
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Or a half day fee at $5.00...?
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Off White
climber
Tenino, WA
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Oct 24, 2017 - 06:13pm PT
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All that is to raise $68 million dollars for maintenance at an array of parks? The government could just not purchase ONE of the lame F35 still not completed boondoggle fighter jets and that would raise between 97 and 123 million dollars, depending on the model not purchased. But no, best to give the money to Lockheed-Martin rather than support access and maintenance to our public lands.
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JLP
Social climber
The internet
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Oct 24, 2017 - 06:14pm PT
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Chances are good yer wrong Google it and weep, bud, the Curry and Pines inhabitants give nothing and take everything - then ruin it. As for the Morgan Stanley pricks, they actually live off the upper middle classes, everyone below is kept around to wipe butt.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Oct 24, 2017 - 06:32pm PT
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NPS should copy Mammoth Mountain and try the "Dynamic pricing " strategy.. Drive 5 hours from So cal. thinking the entrance fee is 70 bucks and when you reach the entrance kiosk the price is $300.00... a clown then jumps out of the booth, honks your nose , and hits you over the head with a giant foam mallet...
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